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Free speech is such an outdated concept.

Harshaw said:
You have a bizarre and gnarled concept of "free speech." I don't know where you got it from, but it isn't the American one.
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So you think universities paying people to speak is free?
 
austrianecon said:
Because it's about having opposing views. It's about breaking down echo chambers. I sure as hell didn't want to listen to speakers who came to my University when I was younger but I sat in an listened because I didn't want to sit in my own echo chamber.
Ron Paul and Barney Frank (two extremes of the Political view) both debated and spoke at Penn State last year. While both former politicians, both have their hackery (and I like Ron Paul).. normally this kind of debate doesn't happen at Universities. It's a center left vs far left debate. Which is why you have partisan hackery at Universities.
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True there is a grey line where influence/hackery/pundit and politicians comes into play, but at least these guys have some type of influence. I don't think many people care about Shapiro unless his name is Robert.
 
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Having the right to speak doesn't mean you have a right to an audience. I think students should hear as many different view points as possible, but if you think universities can't choose who they host, then they should have to let anyone speak, regardless of who they are or what they have to say.
 
spud_meister said:
Having the right to speak doesn't mean you have a right to an audience. I think students should hear as many different view points as possible, but if you think universities can't choose who they host, then they should have to let anyone speak, regardless of who they are or what they have to say.
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Universities should host the most interesting voices and ideas....interesting being defined as some mix of fresh and right.

This aint rocket science but most everybody acts like we did not already figure this out many hundreds of years ago.

We got so very dim.
 
ModerateGOP said:
True there is a grey line where influence/hackery/pundit and politicians comes into play, but at least these guys have some type of influence. I don't think many people care about Shapiro unless his name is Robert.
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Well, Robert is not who we are discussing. Ben Shapiro went after the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement at UCLA (his alma mater) a few years ago, showing the hypocrisy of it.

 
ModerateGOP said:
So you think universities paying people to speak is free?
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I think being paid has nothing to do with freedom of speech, of course. If you don't, then your concept of it is bat-guano.
 
Van Basten said:
There is a discomforting streak of authoritarianism sweeping sects of the millennial generation on campus.

Shapiro is a hack, but he should be free to speak to those that want to hear him. IIRC, he's been interrupted by "activists" a few times in the past when speaking on college campuses.
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Given the response by millennials to President Elect Trumps victory, and the PC agenda that is infecting College Campuses across the nation, I would suggest this streak is far more serious than your "discomforting" reference would suggest.

This crushing of individual rights is an extremely dangerous development being pushed by Progressive forces these students have been conditioned to follow.

The protests, and the over the top emotional break downs are evidence of just how effective the propaganda and messaging has become.

It should be a wake up call to all.
 
spud_meister said:
Having the right to speak doesn't mean you have a right to an audience. I think students should hear as many different view points as possible, but if you think universities can't choose who they host, then they should have to let anyone speak, regardless of who they are or what they have to say.
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That isn't the point. He was INVITED by a student group to speak to THEM. The university banned him from doing so. It wasn't like he just dropped by one day and said "hey, I want to address the student body".
 
austrianecon said:
Well, Robert is not who we are discussing. Ben Shapiro went after the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement at UCLA (his alma mater) a few years ago, showing the hypocrisy of it.

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Again, how exactly is he an expert in this?
 
Harshaw said:
I think being paid has nothing to do with freedom of speech, of course. If you don't, then your concept of it is bat-guano.
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Well in this case it does. I don't think political hacks or even politicians getting paid to give speeches falls under "freedom of speech". Someone is footing the bill for that, and someone else is writing their speeches for them so that they appeal to that audience. Instead of just insulting my opinion, why not explain why you think you are right.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Well in this case it does. I don't think political hacks or even politicians getting paid to give speeches falls under "freedom of speech".
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Then you're just plain entirely and completely wrong, and indeed your concept of free speech is bat-guano. :shrug:
 
Harshaw said:
:screwy
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So you can't explain why it is that you think getting paid for speeches is freedom of speech. HAHA :lamo Good one and I thought you wanted to have a conversation here. Guess not.
 
ModerateGOP said:
So you can't explain why it is that you think getting paid for speeches is freedom of speech.
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:shock:

Not sure if your conflation of "free speech" and "free" in the financial sense is incompetence, dishonesty, or insanity.

In any case, it's far, far, far too stupid to even acknowledge it with a counter-argument.
 
ocean515 said:
Given the response by millennials to President Elect Trumps victory, and the PC agenda that is infecting College Campuses across the nation, I would suggest this streak is far more serious than your "discomforting" reference would suggest.

This crushing of individual rights is an extremely dangerous development being pushed by Progressive forces these students have been conditioned to follow.

The protests, and the over the top emotional break downs are evidence of just how effective the propaganda and messaging has become.

It should be a wake up call to all.
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How about a solid kick on the ass...instead.

These little commies have a dream, which, to normal, thinking Americans, is a total nightmare. The problem is that normal, thinking Americans have a hard time undertanding what they spawned.

That is why nobody under 25 should be allowed anywhere near a voting place.

And abortions should be free when the parents are liberal loons.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
What is happening on college campuses? Seriously... "banned for security reasons"? Who do these people think they're kidding?




Furthermore, if it's really about security, why? Why on Earth would somebody speaking to a crowd who invited him there to speak be a security concern? Have we succeeded in raising a generation so pussified that they can't stomach a dissenting point of view without throwing a violent tantrum or retreating to a "safe space"?:roll:
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Van Basten said:
There is a discomforting streak of authoritarianism sweeping sects of the millennial generation on campus.

Shapiro is a hack, but he should be free to speak to those that want to hear him. IIRC, he's been interrupted by "activists" a few times in the past when speaking on college campuses.
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Indeed. And they expect the government to ban the speech they don't agree with, so they have their 'safe zone'.

Also clearly on display is the liberal / progressive indoctrination of the education system, from K-12 on up. Once claimed to be an environment for the free exchange of ideas, it is no longer. If it an environment for the free exchange of liberal / progressive ideas.

So typical leftist, the irony of leftists being 'tolerant', it hurts.
The truth of the matter, as is clearly on display here for everyone to see is that leftists are only tolerant of the speech, opinions and positions that they agree with, and endeavor to squash any speech, opinions and positions that don't fall into lock step with their.
 
I always thought, "All Men Are Created Equal" was a stretch at best. Yes we are made of bones and flesh. But that's about as equal as it really gets.
 
ModerateGOP said:
True there is a grey line where influence/hackery/pundit and politicians comes into play, but at least these guys have some type of influence. I don't think many people care about Shapiro unless his name is Robert.
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Good grief man, free speech is tested WITH objectionable speech. That's the entire F'ing point. Of course hackery/pundits are welcome, because one man's pundit is another man's messiah, and vice versa.

And how are you going to innoculate citizens against this trickery that you think most people can't possibly see through? By letting them get exposed to it only when they are an adult, and have built up no defenses? Let them be exposed in college, where their idiocy can do little real harm...and they have time to grow to understand why they were stupid in their youth, etc.

In any case, the idea that you'd pick and choose who is free to speak based on your own estimation, and that if a university wants to pick and choose who speaks based on the content of that speech, is clearly against regular old free speech.
 
I like the point in the video though.

It's probably the liberal SJWs who are so offended that he calls their bull****, that they do exactly what SJWs, incite violence and spew hatred to the degree that the college doesn't want the speaker there. Why not get rid of the actual problem, the violent, hateful students who act out? Just expel those twits, if they can't participate in a university where diversity and ideas are supposed to be free to peruse, wtf?
 
With Freedom of Speech comes freedom of censorship...
 
Mach said:
Good grief man, free speech is tested WITH objectionable speech. That's the entire F'ing point. Of course hackery/pundits are welcome, because one man's pundit is another man's messiah, and vice versa.

And how are you going to innoculate citizens against this trickery that you think most people can't possibly see through? By letting them get exposed to it only when they are an adult, and have built up no defenses? Let them be exposed in college, where their idiocy can do little real harm...and they have time to grow to understand why they were stupid in their youth, etc.

In any case, the idea that you'd pick and choose who is free to speak based on your own estimation, and that if a university wants to pick and choose who speaks based on the content of that speech, is clearly against regular old free speech.
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1. Universities shouldn't be paying people to speak there anyway.
2. Universities do have the right to choose who they get at their campuses. I may not like the concept, but it's an ongoing situation nonetheless.
3. These people should be experts in their fields or people who represents movements students are passionate about, not political hacks who have no place being on college campuses. I think students get enough of that from their peers.
 
ModerateGOP said:
1. Universities shouldn't be paying people to speak there anyway.
2. Universities do have the right to choose who they get at their campuses. I may not like the concept, but it's an ongoing situation nonetheless.
3. These people should be experts in their fields or people who represents movements students are passionate about, not political hacks who have no place being on college campuses. I think students get enough of that from their peers.
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Concerning #3... Ben Shapiro IS an expert in his field. His field happens to be the expression of right wing partisan thoughts and ideas.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Have we succeeded in raising a generation so pussified that they can't stomach a dissenting point of view without throwing a violent tantrum or retreating to a "safe space"?:roll:
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Simple answer, yes we have.

Scary answer, these self absorbed, infantile wastrels are going to be running the country in 20 years.
 
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