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Should Blacks have a separate nation in the USA?

CrabCake said:
There are some White Americans who wish to send all African-Americans to Africa.

There are probably about as many, if not fewer African Americans who want what you just described.

They may exist, but not in any meaningful numbers. You could probably fit all African Americans who hold that belief in a large conference room. You wouldn't have enough of them to start a country.
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The Nation of Islam, ...In 2007, the core membership was estimated to be between 20,000 and 50,000.[1]
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Not to mention lots of sympathizers and associates.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam



Doubt you can fit 20-50,000 people in a conference room.


Incidentally, sending all blacks to Africa is not the topic of this thread, nor anything I support, nor in any way under discussion in this thread by me.


We're talking about an autonomous region whose population would be voluntary only, and whether it is something desired by some percentage of African Americans, and I have already noted that relatively few would probably be interested.
 
zimmer said:
You have nothing to add about Ellison's take on an independent black nation?

Seems not.

Why would that be?
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Does he believe that now? No?
 
Goshin said:
Not to mention lots of sympathizers and associates.
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Right. I provided those figures earlier. But not all members of the NOI hold that belief. In fact, Farrhakan himself doesn't want this. This what he has actually said about that idea, which is number 4 in the NOI program:
First, the program starts with number one. That is number four. The first part of that program is that we want freedom, a full and complete freedom. The second is, we want justice. We want equal justice under the law, and we want justice applied equally to all, regardless of race or class or color. And the third is that we want equality. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society. If we can get that within the political, economic, social system of America, there's no need for point number four.

Goshin said:
Doubt you can fit 20-50,000 people in a conference room.
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My local convention center has rooms which hold 20,000 people.

Goshin said:
Incidentally, sending all blacks to Africa is not the topic of this thread, nor anything I support, nor in any way under discussion in this thread by me.
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I brought it up because it's another fringe belief that a tiny number of people support. I brought it up to illustrate the insignificance of the fact that there are people who want this. There are people who want all kinds of stupid things and hold all manner of absurd beliefs. But they are tiny groups of people; fringe elements with crazy ideas of no real significance that none of us should be taking seriously. Which is exactly the case with this idea of an African American nation.

Goshin said:
We're talking about an autonomous region whose population would be voluntary only, and whether it is something desired by some percentage of African Americans, and I have already noted that relatively few would probably be interested.
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Practically no one would be interested. Which brings up the question of why its worth considering.
 
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CrabCake said:
Practically no one would be interested. Which brings up the question of why its worth considering.
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Someone else brought it up. I commented. I am not invested in the idea pro or con, particularly. I have merely wondered if it might be useful as a "safety valve" for those who believe that "the system" can never be fair or just to African Americans.


You disagree. Ok.


:shrug:
 
CrabCake said:
That's not how that works. 50,000 people might be considered a large number of people for a wedding. If it were the number of viewers of NBC's new TV show, that would be considered a devastatingly low number of people which would guarantee its immediate cancellation and probably lead to multiple firings. When determining whether something is a large number or not you HAVE TO consider the context. Why must you? Because the word large is a form of comparison, it means "greater than average" or "a significant number"; thus you must know what the average is or what number would be significant. In the context of the attitudes of a group of 36 million people, you are likely the only person who thinks 50,000 is a large number of people.
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Do you think that 20,000 - 50,000 people is a large number of people?? Yes, I know that you want to engage in the grand liberal tradition of treating everything subjectively and open to interpretation based on the situation that you want to use, but if you saw a group of 20,000 - 50,000 people would you consider that to be a large number of people?? I don't expect an honest answer, since you're already sold out on the idea that you don't want 20,000 - 50,000 people to be a large number so you'll argue around the fact that is a large number. If this was 20,000 - 50,000 neo-nazis marching the streets of Birmingham, AL, it would be a massive number, but since it's just a bunch of leftist, authoritarian, protected class people that are kind of embarrassing to the left, you'll make sure that they get minimized as much as possible.
 
poweRob said:
Does he believe that now? No?
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His relationships with nefarious Muslim groups call that into question.

You will never know... but past actions do reveal and leave a trail... and present action can alter the perspective of past actions... but has he?

And then there is Islamic Doctrine...

Taqiyya.
 
faithful_servant said:
if you saw a group of 20,000 - 50,000 people would you consider that to be a large number of people??
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That depends where I see them. Standing outside my house? Yeah, that's a lot of people. At Cowboys stadium during a game? It's a very small amount of people there; it would be a lightly attended game. In the context of millions of people? It's an insignificant amount.
 
zimmer said:
His relationships with nefarious Muslim groups call that into question.

You will never know... but past actions do reveal and leave a trail... and present action can alter the perspective of past actions... but has he?

And then there is Islamic Doctrine...

Taqiyya.
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I'm sure you believe the worst of anyone who doesn't politically agree with you. It's not possible to simply disagree with someone, they must be demonized and trashed. Have fun with that.
 
They do..

South side of Chicago..

Baltimore..

djl
 
poweRob said:
I'm sure you believe the worst of anyone who doesn't politically agree with you. It's not possible to simply disagree with someone, they must be demonized and trashed. Have fun with that.
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ROTFLOL... You be funny.


I didn't write his theory of an independent black nation. He did it all on his own.

You are the typical Lib. You **** on the floor, and then seek to blame others for it.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... You be funny.


I didn't write his theory of an independent black nation. He did it all on his own.

You are the typical Lib. You **** on the floor, and then seek to blame others for it.
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I'm sure you believe the worst of anyone who doesn't politically agree with you. It's not possible to simply disagree with someone, they must be demonized and trashed. Have fun with that.
 
poweRob said:
I'm sure you believe the worst of anyone who doesn't politically agree with you. It's not possible to simply disagree with someone, they must be demonized and trashed. Have fun with that.
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Where did I demonize or trash Ellison?

Where did I misrepresent anything he has said, done or is?

Once again... I'll repeat.

You are a stereotypical Lib... you **** on the floor, and then seek to blame others for it.
 
zimmer said:
Where did I demonize or trash Ellison?

Where did I misrepresent anything he has said, done or is?

Once again... I'll repeat.

You are a stereotypical Lib... you **** on the floor, and then seek to blame others for it.
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I'm sure you believe the worst of anyone who doesn't politically agree with you. It's not possible to simply disagree with someone, they must be demonized and trashed. Have fun with that.
 
poweRob said:
I'm sure you believe the worst of anyone who doesn't politically agree with you. It's not possible to simply disagree with someone, they must be demonized and trashed. Have fun with that.
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You are obviously incapable of debate, and seem equally incapable of answering simple questions... like:

Where did I demonize or trash Ellison?

Where did I misrepresent anything he said, done or is?
 
zimmer said:
Should they?

Would you support them politically?
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Absolutely not to both. I consider myself American first. Although it is something to which we still aspire, race should not even be an issue.
 
zimmer said:
You are obviously incapable of debate, and seem equally incapable of answering simple questions... like:

Where did I demonize or trash Ellison?

Where did I misrepresent anything he said, done or is?
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I never said you did that to Ellison. You do it to the left in general. How do you say Democratic Party again?
 
zimmer said:
You are obviously incapable of debate, and seem equally incapable of answering simple questions... like:

Where did I demonize or trash Ellison?

Where did I misrepresent anything he said, done or is?
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You will get no answers, you'll just get more accusations. That's how liberals operate.
 
poweRob said:
I never said you did that to Ellison. You do it to the left in general. How do you say Democratic Party again?
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You claim I never said it about Ellison, but is it not odd you repeat the accusation three times in this thread??? There was no implication there?

Honest much?
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Demonize the Left?

No. I expose The Left.

You see, I was a Leftist once, but after traveling the globe for many years, came to realize how intellectually and morally corrupt his political movement is... so...

... I aim to educate the ignorant by exposing the Left's idiocies.

It's quite a simple task... which I enjoy.
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How do I say Democratic Party?

ROTFLOL... You mean... Socialists of Amerika Partei (SAPs)... and "Demokrats"?

Demokrat... The change in spelling is a quick, easy and accurate way to convey what the party is about.

This obviously bothers you (and other Demokrats). Why? Is it because it's an accurate portrayal of what the party has become?
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As for Ellison. This thread was a setup.

It seems you're upset about that... having fallen for it... going so far as to suggest loosely I'm some type of racist seeking a way to rid the nation of black people.

poweRob said:
WTF? Why would you even think of suggesting this?

Are you in a hurry of some sort to be rid of black Americans or something?
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I hope you do some homework on Ellison, because his becoming the head of the DNC is something I favor... because it signals the Left has learned nothing.

I want to see the Demokrat Party destroy itself.
 
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