LAPD will not help deport immigrants under Trump, chief says

immigration status should be checked upon any arrest, applying for any welfare food stamps etc...

Deuce said:

There is no law that says local PD has to initiate contact solely to check citizenship.

There is law that says you can't arrest someone for being brown.

Your comparison is therefore not valid.

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There are laws that says LE can arrest you if you are in the country illegally.
There are laws that says a person can be arrested for using fake ID's, stolen SSN's.

I agree there is no law that says a person can be arrested for being a certain skin color. However, skin color as well as other identifying features can be used to identify a suspect.

mike2810 said:

There are laws that says LE can arrest you if you are in the country illegally.
There are laws that says a person can be arrested for using fake ID's, stolen SSN's.

I agree there is no law that says a person can be arrested for being a certain skin color. However, skin color as well as other identifying features can be used to identify a suspect.

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Start detaining people because they are brown to check their "papers" sounds familiar, I did not he had implemented installing is brownshirt army, yet? Not gonna happen not in California and not in any other states, count in that.

volsrock said:

immigration status should be checked upon any arrest, applying for any welfare food stamps etc...

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Personally I agree. With a Republican Senate, House, Supreme Court, and presidency, maybe it'll happen.

Deuce said:

No, by my logic no local police officer would ever just walk up to someone and detain them solely to check immigration status.

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Why not? Cops should be able to do sweeps of known neighborhoods. Keep them busses on standby, we will need them soon.

ILLEGAL people do not belong here, unless I need them to build something I can't do. Then they are OK.

(told you I was hypocritical about this subject)

I think E verify is the simplest and fairest system. Take California for example. California allows no distinction between legal and illegal workers, even though it's against federal law to hire illegal aliens. E verify will put businesses in the federal bullseye: follow federal law or be fined.

Wait! There's more!

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration

chuckiechan said:

I think E verify is the simplest and fairest system. Take California for example. California allows no distinction between legal and illegal workers, even though it's against federal law to hire illegal aliens. E verify will put businesses in the federal bullseye: follow federal law or be fined.

Wait! There's more!

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration

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Now that link was actually informative, thanks.

Casper said:

Start detaining people because they are brown to check their "papers" sounds familiar, I did not he had implemented installing is brownshirt army, yet? Not gonna happen not in California and not in any other states, count in that.

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It is noted you did not show where I was wrong regarding being in the country illegally and who can arrest such person.
It is noted you did not show where I was wrong that it is against the law to use fake id's and use a stolen SSN.

I agreed with you that one cannot arrest someone strictly for have a certain skin color.

Personally, I agree with Trump that sanctuary city should loose federal funding. Never understood why some people support illegals in our country.

mike2810 said:

It is noted you did not show where I was wrong regarding being in the country illegally and who can arrest such person.
It is noted you did not show where I was wrong that it is against the law to use fake id's and use a stolen SSN.

I agreed with you that one cannot arrest someone strictly for have a certain skin color.

Personally, I agree with Trump that sanctuary city should loose federal funding. Never understood why some people support illegals in our country.

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I never said they cannot arrest them, I said it is Not their Job and there are few places if any that do arrest them and the Feds cannot really force them do their job for them.

Just curious, those cities that are "sanctuary cities", are they that way because the people of that community decided that is what they wanted? I thought you want the Feds out of local affairs, so which is it, in or out or based on what someone in AZ wants? Before you go off on me I am against sanctuary cities, the idea is ludicrous to begin with.

reinoe said:

It reminds me so much of the liberal hubris that led to Kate Steinle being brutally gunned down by an illegal immigrant. Ahh the memories!

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The killer actually said he confessed to the crime because he thought they'd let him go afterwards! He's not the first person to think that liberalism leads to lawlessness.

mike2810 said:

birth certificate , most state drivers license, social security card, USA passport.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/A4en.pdf

Legal aliens who are in the US are required to carry their immigration card with them.
Foreign National in the U.S.: What Documents Should I Carry With Me? - Capitol Immigration Law Group PLLC



As far as LE and illegal aliens the following is an interesting case study paper on local LE authority to enforce federal law.
"In summary, it is clear that state and local police possess substantial inherent authority to make immigration arrests, in addition to the delegated powers available through Section 287(g). It is also clear that the potential for closer cooperation with state and local law enforcement has not been fully exploited. Consequently, there has been a cost in the national security of the United States, as well as in the enforcement of immigration laws."
State and Local Authority to Enforce Immigration Law: A Unified Approach for Stopping Terrorists | Center for Immigration Studies

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Very nice post. Informative and accurate. There is a federal statute that requires aliens 18 or older to carry the card that proves they have registered as aliens at all times in public.

volsrock said:

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said Monday that he has no plans to change the LAPD’s stance on immigration enforcement, despite President-elect Donald Trump’s pledge to toughen federal immigration laws and deport millions of people upon taking office.

LAPD will not help deport immigrants under Trump, chief says - LA Times


These cities are sure gonna miss their Federal funds. Just thinking about all those EBT cards ringing up NO SALE gives me shivers.


It is ironic how left leaning liberals condemn any state law or tradition which differs from their view of what is correct, and rapidly send the federal courts into action against the state, but when a state chooses to disobey a federal law they don't like it is just fine.

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Who are you, you who support the DC government blackmailing the locals?

There is a simple solution to ALL of this. Here 10 years and older and can show a work history you are granted immigrant status and begin your path to citizenship. Under 10, you are granted guest worker status and made legal as long as you comply with the laws. After a year, anyone not in compliance is here illegally and subject to deportation. Criminals should serve their sentences and be deported. Employers that hire illegal and undocumented workers get fined at an extremely high rate per incident. Problem solves itself in 1-3 years.

reinoe said:

What they can do though is consult a database that INS/ICE/DHS sets up to see if a person is wanted and then notify them if applicable. What happened with Kate Steinle is San Francisco claimed there was a warrant for arrest for an illegal immigrant when there was no such warrant. ICE turned the illegal immigrant over to San FRANCISCO authorities under the assumption that there would be a trial but that the illegal immigrant should be turned over to ICE afterwards because that same illegal was wanted in Texas. The SFPD then made it clear that there never was any warrant and instead of turning the illegal immigrant over to ICE they just let him walk the streets. That illegal immigrant then proceeded to murder Kate Steinle in cold blood. This is the goal of all sanctuary cities: to allow illegal immigrants to murder American citizens in cold blood.

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I'm as anti-illegal alien as they come. But that bold part is a crock of hyper partisan bull****.

VanceMack said:

There is a simple solution to ALL of this. Here 10 years and older and can show a work history you are granted immigrant status and begin your path to citizenship. Under 10, you are granted guest worker status and made legal as long as you comply with the laws. After a year, anyone not in compliance is here illegally and subject to deportation. Criminals should serve their sentences and be deported. Employers that hire illegal and undocumented workers get fined at an extremely high rate per incident. Problem solves itself in 1-3 years.

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So amnesty. No thanks. It's been tried before by Reagan and others. All that it did was encourage more illegal immigration. The ONLY amnesty that I would support is if they joined up with our military and served in it a minimum of 7 years. Otherwise, they get out of here. The hard way or the easy way, doesn't matter to me.

Kal'Stang said:

So amnesty. No thanks. It's been tried before by Reagan and others. All that it did was encourage more illegal immigration. The ONLY amnesty that I would support is if they joined up with our military and served in it a minimum of 7 years. Otherwise, they get out of here. The hard way or the easy way, doesn't matter to me.

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How is that in any way shape or form 'amnesty'? That's simply providing legal status...not citizenship...to people that are here, have been here, and are proving to be a viable functioning part of our society. Look...we aren't deporting 20-30 million illegal immigrants. It's not happening. We need a solution that takes us this point and forward. I would absolutely agree that efforts in the past failed but they failed because they didn't include mandated border security and rigid enforcement of employer integrity.


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chuckiechan said:

The Trump DoJ can take them to federal court, also.

He can also deny California drivers license be used as valid ID for boarding an airplane.

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I don't believe the DoJ or anyone else can take Ca to court over refusing to enforce Federal law. The SC has spoken on that matter and local police agencies can not be required to enforce Federal law. Most do - and that's probably a good thing in most cases since local PD and local prosecutors are closer to the people than the Feds - but they cannot be forced to.

Second one isn't going to happen either. That's probably a US Constitutional violation.

VanceMack said:

How is that in any way shape or form 'amnesty'? That's simply providing legal status...not citizenship...to people that are here, have been here, and are proving to be a viable functioning part of our society. Look...we aren't deporting 20-30 million illegal immigrants. It's not happening. We need a solution that takes us this point and forward. I would absolutely agree that efforts in the past failed but they failed because they didn't include mandated border security and rigid enforcement of employer integrity.


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We do not need to deport them. They will deport themselves given enough incentive. Or rather take their incentive for being here away. We already have mandated border security and we already go after employers that knowingly hire illegals. There were many things that Reagan demanded before he signed his amnesty program. Know what happened? Selfish politicians ended up not enforcing them or not enforcing them like they were meant to be enforced. Later on in life Reagan regretted signing that amnesty. Fat lot of good if our laws aren't even enforced properly huh? Not only do our laws need to be enforced but we need to make sure that our politicians are actually enforcing them. Take for example sanctuary cities. Obama went after Arizona for attempting to enforce illegal immigration laws that the federal government wasn't. But didn't do crap to make sure that sanctuary cities actually follow the law. And even then when other cities tried to follow the law the federal government often didn't hold up their end of the bargain. Often taking so long to pick up those that were picked up by local LEO's that their jails became overcrowded forcing them to release the illegals in order to make room for the more serious offenses.

Until such time as our government officials do their jobs I will never support amnesty. And yes, your idea is most certainly amnesty. Amnesty isn't just about making them citizens. But also given them a free pass for breaking the law until such time as they "become citizens". Its nothing more than a backdoor amnesty.

Gaius46 said:

I don't believe the DoJ or anyone else can take Ca to court over refusing to enforce Federal law. The SC has spoken on that matter and local police agencies can not be required to enforce Federal law. Most do - and that's probably a good thing in most cases since local PD and local prosecutors are closer to the people than the Feds - but they cannot be forced to.

Second one isn't going to happen either. That's probably a US Constitutional violation.

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I believe you are semi-correct here. The Feds cannot force CA to enforce Federal laws via laws. But they can force them to follow federal laws by denying them federal funds. They do that all the time.

Kal'Stang said:

I believe you are semi-correct here. The Feds cannot force CA to enforce Federal laws via laws. But they can force them to follow federal laws by denying them federal funds. They do that all the time.

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Indeed you are correct. Getting States addicted to Federal Funding, and then threatening that funding is the way the Federal Government takes increasing control over the States.

The issue of illegal aliens in California is going to take considerable effort to address. For example, there are millions of illegal aliens living openly and with impunity in Southern California. They only way to address the issue is to destroy the employers who hire them through draconian fines, and mandatory incarceration.

California is not going to do that, so it's up to the Federal Government to force the action, and that means withholding money, something Obama threatened anytime California attempted to do something the Feds didn't approve.

ocean515 said:

destroy the employers...

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Conservatives conserve, radical reactionaries destroy. It's kinds the opposite of conservatism...

late said:

Conservatives conserve, radical reactionaries destroy. It's kinds the opposite of conservatism...

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The only way to address the severe economic damage caused by illegal aliens is to work against the left who encourages it. Toward that end is to enforce the laws and hold employers who knowingly hire illegals accountable.

Closing down businesses who knowingly hire illegals should be a priority. Severe fines, asset forfeiture, and making jail time as provided by the law mandatory will circumvent the effort of the left to continue to encourage this economic cancer the United States has been suffering from.

Kal'Stang said:

I believe you are semi-correct here. The Feds cannot force CA to enforce Federal laws via laws. But they can force them to follow federal laws by denying them federal funds. They do that all the time.

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And I would remind you that if you refuse any federal money to a State that State would stop providing tax revenue to the Federal government and that would cut the ties between the State and the Federal government. Be care what you wish for, it ain't gonna happen anyway, many swords are double edged.

ocean515 said:

The only way to address the severe economic damage caused by illegal aliens is to work against the left who encourages it. Toward that end is to enforce the laws and hold employers who knowingly hire illegals accountable.

Closing down businesses who knowingly hire illegals should be a priority. Severe fines, asset forfeiture, and making jail time as provided by the law mandatory will circumvent the effort of the left to continue to encourage this economic cancer the United States has been suffering from.

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Ain't the Left, if you were going to use that metric, then for most of our history it's been the Right that has controlled immigration. Basically to hold down wages, and weaken political power amongst workers.

Republicans don't attack business, they kiss ass, not that the Dems are much better.

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Ain't the Left, if you were going to use that metric, then for most of our history it's been the Right that has controlled immigration. Basically to hold down wages, and weaken political power amongst workers.

Republicans don't attack business, they kiss ass, not that the Dems are much better.

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Oh please. You aren't really going to try and argue that liberal/socialist progressives are not supportive of, and indeed are not encouraging illegal immigration?

This should be entertaining.