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The end of Medicare as we know it!

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Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
 
independentusa said:
Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
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If they lose it then it is their own fault. I no longer care at this point. If people are not smart enough to vote for their interests and what is best for the country as a whole and want to get swept up in rhetoric about nationalism and populism, then maybe they deserve what they get.
 
CriticalThought said:
If they lose it then it is their own fault. I no longer care at this point. If people are not smart enough to vote for their interests and what is best for the country as a whole and want to get swept up in rhetoric about nationalism and populism, then maybe they deserve what they get.
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So essentially "I assume all old people voted for Trump, so **** them. They deserve any misery headed their way."
 
independentusa said:
Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
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Fear mongering at its finest. Didn't work on November 8th. not going to work now.
 
independentusa said:
Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
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Link is junk that yields only some headlines and pictures.
 
independentusa said:
Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
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I seem to remember some meme about some really bad guy pushing a sweet wheelchair granny over a cliff too.
 
independentusa said:
Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
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What if, and this is purely hypothetical, you lose medicare but are able to buy a policy that has a zero deductible, covers all your medical and pharmaceutical, only has a $10 copay for office visits and costs $300/mo PLUS you get a voucher for $250 a month you can use to pay for that plan AND you will no longer have $105/mo deducted from your Social Security?
 
Lutherf said:
What if, and this is purely hypothetical, you lose medicare but are able to buy a policy that has a zero deductible, covers all your medical and pharmaceutical, only has a $10 copay for office visits and costs $300/mo PLUS you get a voucher for $250 a month you can use to pay for that plan AND you will no longer have $105/mo deducted from your Social Security?
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Hypothetically, that insurance company would go bankrupt in a day.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So essentially "I assume all old people voted for Trump, so **** them. They deserve any misery headed their way."
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Basically yes. They either voted for him or did not show up to vote against him.

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This election will have consequences for a lot of people, me included. It sucks but the GOP has been clear on its intentions. We would not be having this conversation at all if people 45 and older had not voted as they had.
 
independentusa said:
Republican Leader Now Proposes Taking Away Seniors? Healthcare; Blames Obama ? New Century Times
I tried to tell other people on Medicare this was coming but they said I was trying to scare them from voting for Trump and the GOP. Well, it will be coming and sooner than I thought. The voucher system is near and it will flush many of the poorer elderly off health insurance altogether. Maybe instead of just voting for "my party". people ought to read what their party intends to do once they are in power. Now having gotten the Whitehouse the GOP can do what they want for at least the next two years. I have always said that one party should not control both the legislative and executive branches at the same time.
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Medicare was a mistake from the beginning. Now it must be corrected and the only question is, how do we want to do it?
It is the same thing with all of the social programs and foremost with USSS. Pensions are a private good and should be exactly that in a wealthy country like ours. Of course, all of the people living off and from the redistribution industry are dead set against change not wanting to face private enterprise and self determination. But the country is losing competitive edge and thus jobs because of the inefficiencies of redistribution as we have it now.
 
Lutherf said:
What if, and this is purely hypothetical, you lose medicare but are able to buy a policy that has a zero deductible, covers all your medical and pharmaceutical, only has a $10 copay for office visits and costs $300/mo PLUS you get a voucher for $250 a month you can use to pay for that plan AND you will no longer have $105/mo deducted from your Social Security?
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What if you do not live in that hypothetical region (of unicorns and rainbows?) and the "going rate" is more like what we now see in the "exchanges"? BTW, co-pay implies a PPO or HMO "provider network" that may or may not include care within hundreds of miles from where you are (think "snowbirds" that winter in AZ or TX but mostly live in WI, MN or MI) when you need it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So essentially "I assume all old people voted for Trump, so **** them. They deserve any misery headed their way."
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Well, you see? They remember all the hype with which social programs and civil rights were sold to the citizens and can compare it with the results. And that comparison is devastating. In many ways, we probably made a bad situation worse by the way we have structured ourselves. Add on top of that the growing menace built into the Social Security system and we should be scared stiff.
 
I mean, I could use that money back in my check.

Sorry, old people. Good luck.
 
CriticalThought said:
Basically yes. They either voted for him or did not show up to vote against him.

This election will have consequences for a lot of people, me included. It sucks but the GOP has been clear on its intentions. We would not be having this conversation at all if people 45 and older had not voted as they had.
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Really? Your chart says 45% of them voted for Clinton? Why is it **** all old people when only some of them voted for Trump?
 
You do realize that the redistribution of wealth is not going from the wealthy to the poor, it is going from the middle class to the wealthy. THe total wealth of this country owned by the top 2% has gone from 80% in 2000 to almost 90% now. So maybe the redistribution should go the other way if you want a healthy economy in our country. That way the poor and the middle class can buy goods and spur the economy. We ae a consumer driven economy. Instead of continuing to give the tax cuts to thee wealthy that just send it to their overseas investment, we should give those cuts to the poor and the middle class and actually spur our econoomy.
 
joG said:
Medicare was a mistake from the beginning. Now it must be corrected and the only question is, how do we want to do it?
It is the same thing with all of the social programs and foremost with USSS. Pensions are a private good and should be exactly that in a wealthy country like ours. Of course, all of the people living off and from the redistribution industry are dead set against change not wanting to face private enterprise and self determination. But the country is losing competitive edge and thus jobs because of the inefficiencies of redistribution as we have it now.
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Except that it is too late in the game (for many) to change the rules.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Really? Your chart says 45% of them voted for Clinton? Why is it **** all old people when only some of them voted for Trump?
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I just don't care anymore. We as a country ALL deserve the misery that is coming our way. We let it get this far. So yes, **** them, **** me, **** all of us.
 
When the GOP is in charge/wins we get the fear mongering, when the Dem's win we hear about all the good things that WOULD Happen, if the GOP wouldn't obstruct.
 
joG said:
Well, you see? They remember all the hype with which social programs and civil rights were sold to the citizens and can compare it with the results. And that comparison is devastating. In many ways, we probably made a bad situation worse by the way we have structured ourselves. Add on top of that the growing menace built into the Social Security system and we should be scared stiff.
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Yep, we may have taken about 13% of your gross pay for 35 to 40 years but you should no longer feel entitled to any old age benefits. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Except that it is too late in the game (for many) to change the rules.
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That's correct. If we're going to change SS and Medicare there needs to be a phase out where people already in the program or fairly close to becoming eligible can stay with the existing option. However, for those with a longer window before the program kicks in there are a great number of things we can do to ease the expense of and reliance on these programs.
 
Lutherf said:
That's correct. If we're going to change SS and Medicare there needs to be a phase out where people already in the program or fairly close to becoming eligible can stay with the existing option.
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If we can kick 20+ million people out of commercial or Medicaid plans overnight, surely we can start weaning the old folks off right away too.
 
Lutherf said:
That's correct. If we're going to change SS and Medicare there needs to be a phase out where people already in the program or fairly close to becoming eligible can stay with the existing option. However, for those with a longer window before the program kicks in there are a great number of things we can do to ease the expense of and reliance on these programs.
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That is a wonderful theory but where do you draw the line and how? When J. Q. Public dies (or becomes disabled), at age 40, then who pays to support his dependents when he has $20K (or less) in a private pension and no life (or disability) insurance?
 
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