Obama... After 8-Years... What we learned

jimbo said:

Did he have much potential? From what I've read Obama has been mediocre all his life. Existing and advancing on EEO privileges. No real accomplishments. President of Harvard Law Review with few publications and mediocre grades. No accomplishments in the Illinois Legislature. Less as a Senator.

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From his speeches only, he sounded as if he had potential. We soon found out that was not the case however....

Ockham said:

From his speeches only, he sounded as if he had potential. We soon found out that was not the case however....

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And he still talks a good game. One needed only to look at his record to see the true Obama. The true record was available.

zimmer said:

Obama came to office with no private sector or executive experience.

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Neither did George Washington. But that's irrelevant to his performance as President. But let's to through your claims, ignoring the ones that would just be a huge discussion.


He never built anything.
Hadn't managed anything of significance.
Vague, and it seems you're still talking pre-2009.


Hadn't been successful at anything, except clearing the field to win a couple elections.
Assuming your conclusion.

On important issues, in the IL State Senate, he often voted not present... even on something like saving the life of aborted babies that didn't die during the procedure.
He never voted "not present." That's not a thing.

Judgment
Obama claimed to have superior judgement. We know that's far from the truth. So many bad decisions.
When did he claim superior judgement? And which decisions has he made that are objectively bad and not just your opinion?

Economy
We heard about his Laser-like focus on the economy, but in the end... we have massive unemployment.

January 2009:
12,058,000 unemployed out of a Labor Force of 154,210,000 for a UE rate of 7.8%

October 2016:
7,787,000 unemployed (-4,271,000) out of a labor force of 159,712,000 (+5,502,000) for a UE rate of 4.9%.

So on what planet is that "massive unemployment?

A memorable idiotic line: "This is not the time for profits." Illustrating his being an economic illiterate.

I don't know the context of that quotation

Foreignn Policy[/B]
He has treated our friends as enemies, and enemies as friends. It was evident from Day1, when he sent the bust of Winston Churchill back to the British Embassy.

He returned one of his 2 Churchill busts. But no, he is not the most skilled diplomat.
He failed to forge a Status of Forces agreement in Iraq.

He's given Iran 1.4 billion.
It was their money, frozen due to sanctions. Do you think we should have vstolen it?
The ME is a mess.
When has it not been?

Obama is closing out his Presidency respected and admired and already missed in a way. The
contrast between his fine qualifies and the gross personal attributes of Trump is wrenching, and will be impossible to get used to.

I'm not a fan of Obama's presidency. I voted for him the first time but not the second time. He was better than his predecessor but that isn't saying much.

Nobody has yet mentioned what I believe to be the most import failure and damage Obama has done to America!

He has done more than any other President, by a very wide margin, to undermine and destory the Rule-of-Law!

As Chief Executive, he has given an oath to carry out the managment of the Federal Government Agencies tasked with implementing a host of Congressionally passed laws and bills.

That does not give him the right or priviledge to pick and choose which Congressionally passed laws he decides to enforce, and the right to simply skip enforcement of Congressionally passed LAW he disagrees with!

Yet we've watch him do this over and over and over and over again!

He changed the text of the ObamaCare act after it was ratified by Congress and Signed by the President. There is a legal process for changing the text of a Congressional Bill, but a President does not have the RIGHT to simply change it!

In the areas of Immigration, Use of military Force, EPA, Health Care, DHS, and fiscal aid to refugees, he simply ignored Congressional Law and did what ever he pleased!

The Chief Executive, the President, is a manager, oath bound to execute the LAW passed by the Legislature, not a Freak'in KING!

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58% of approval rating and rising. Thank you Donald Trump.

pinqy said:

Neither did George Washington. But that's irrelevant to his performance as President. But let's to through your claims, ignoring the ones that would just be a huge discussion.


He never built anything.
Hadn't managed anything of significance.
Vague, and it seems you're still talking pre-2009.
Yes... pre-2009... and it clearly illustrated his lack of these important skills from 2009 to today.

Hadn't been successful at anything, except clearing the field to win a couple elections.
Assuming your conclusion.
Look at how he won his political victories before running for POTUS

On important issues, in the IL State Senate, he often voted not present... even on something like saving the life of aborted babies that didn't die during the procedure.
He never voted "not present." That's not a thing.
OK... he voted "present" (same, same)

Judgment
Obama claimed to have superior judgement. We know that's far from the truth. So many bad decisions.
When did he claim superior judgement? And which decisions has he made that are objectively bad and not just your opinion?
He did it throughout the 08 campaign. He clearly revealed, he lacks clear, accurate thinking... judgment. And he didn't learn anything in this regard.

Economy
We heard about his Laser-like focus on the economy, but in the end... we have massive unemployment.

January 2009:
12,058,000 unemployed out of a Labor Force of 154,210,000 for a UE rate of 7.8%

October 2016:
7,787,000 unemployed (-4,271,000) out of a labor force of 159,712,000 (+5,502,000) for a UE rate of 4.9%.

So on what planet is that "massive unemployment?

95 MILLION people out of the work force, and never having 3% growth in 8-years... which has never happened before. Why do you think he won the vote through the Rust Belt? The corrupt press... they have been breathlessly talking about supposed recoveries that have never materialized.

A memorable idiotic line: "This is not the time for profits." Illustrating his being an economic illiterate.

I don't know the context of that quotation

The context... was companies should hire people and not think about profits... RETARDED.

Foreignn Policy[/B]
He has treated our friends as enemies, and enemies as friends. It was evident from Day1, when he sent the bust of Winston Churchill back to the British Embassy.

He returned one of his 2 Churchill busts. But no, he is not the most skilled diplomat.
He failed to forge a Status of Forces agreement in Iraq.

He's given Iran 1.4 billion.
It was their money, frozen due to sanctions. Do you think we should have vstolen it?
It's a terrorist Supporting and fomenting nation. Obama paid a ransome, did so in foreign currency to get around our laws, and lied about it.

The ME is a mess.
When has it not been?
When Bush43 left office... German foreign minister Steinmeier... who hated Bush... went to Iraq to drum up business for German companies... it was that stable. Now... thanks to Obama... it's a region on fire.

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zimmer said:

95 MILLION people out of the work force,

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And what do you think that means? That 95 million people who aren't trying to work (89 million of whom don't want a job or are too disabled to work at all) aren't working is hardly the sign of a bad economy.