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Perspective. As much as I hate to do it...

After staring at the ballot. I voted straight GOP cept for RR comish and I went libertarian, wrote in Ted Cruz for prez I just could not vote Trump
 
tres borrachos said:
I've yet to decide if I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson, or if I'm writing in Rubio or Kasich as a protest vote. What I do know is that nothing will compel me to circle the little space next to either the names "Donald Trump" or "Hillary Clinton" on my lovely paper ballot tomorrow.

I will be voting straight GOP ticket (except Trump) as I want to make sure Hillary doesn't romp into DC with her own personal majority too.

I can't believe the once great GOP put forth an ignorant, unqualified, arrogant, perverted, low-class, narcissistic boor as its candidate in 2016. Virtually any one of the others would have sent Mrs. Clinton back to her mansion in Westchester County already.
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"I can't believe the once great GOP put forth an ignorant, unqualified, arrogant, perverted, low-class, narcissistic boor as its candidate in 2016. Virtually any one of the others would have sent Mrs. Clinton back to her mansion in Westchester County already."

You left out "dishonest" and "bully"
 
Fishking said:
The fact of the matter is, and one reason we ended up with a Trump, that no matter who the GOP would have elected the left would have made that candidate out to be the devil as bad as Trump or Hitler. So saying if it was someone other than Trump really doesn't matter so much.
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You are correct, and the right does the same thing to the left candidate no matter who they are.

The actual funny (or sad part depending on how you want to view it) is the ONLY reason Hillary has a chance of winning this election is because Trump is the only other real choice. Also the only reason Trump has a chance of winning this election is because Hillary is the only other real choice.

So I ask you do you prefer to see it as funny or sad?
 
Grim17 said:
I hate it, but I'm in a position where I don't like, nor support either Trump or Clinton, so it comes down to something else on this election. I have to decide which candidate I think would be worse for the country and cast my vote against them. That candidate in my opinion would be Hillary Clinton, so I'm left with no other choice but to vote for the only candidate with any chance of defeating her... That would be Donald Trump.

It sucks, but that's the reality that myself and many others are faced with tomorrow, who don't want that lying criminal and her husband in the White House.
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I definitely respect where you're coming from and your logic. I feel the opposite and find myself needing to vote against Trump but I really wish it didn't come to this.

The democrats didn't really have any good candidates this cycle, I would have gladly voted for 2 or 3 of the republicans but unfortunately we're in the boat we're in.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
No you do not hear about those things. You hear about 4 deaths in Bengazi but not about the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon while Reagan was President. The Republicans certainly don't investigate 12000 times how Bush could have allowed 9/11 to happen. It's funny how the issues change to suit the Republicans.
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It's sad but true that political parties are more interested in proving the other side incorrect or incompetent than they are proving themselves correct or competent. This goes for both parties at all times of the cycle.
 
KopeAcetic said:
You are correct, and the right does the same thing to the left candidate no matter who they are.

The actual funny (or sad part depending on how you want to view it) is the ONLY reason Hillary has a chance of winning this election is because Trump is the only other real choice. Also the only reason Trump has a chance of winning this election is because Hillary is the only other real choice.

So I ask you do you prefer to see it as funny or sad?
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I'm going with funny because I don't want to be moping about all the time. Fact is, this result is inevitable with a two party system. They have to constantly ramp up the rhetoric to attack the other party. If there was 3 or 4 other viable parties, or at least that many that held some chunks of Congress, then it would help vent off that type of activity.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Then write in the name of someone you can support. You have that right, you know.
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There is nobody I support. Absolutely nobody running from any party is worth voting for, period.
 
I feel the same, but with Johnson. The GOP and DEM candidates are awful, and Stein is too left for my tastes. Usually I can find decent agreement with Libertarians but man Johnson is, oof.

Think down ballot ended up with a green a republican and a bunch of dems, not because I liked the dems as much as our Republicans here are terrible.
 
Renae said:
After staring at the ballot. I voted straight GOP cept for RR comish and I went libertarian, wrote in Ted Cruz for prez I just could not vote Trump
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I guess you aren't suicidal after all. I am glad you didn't vote for Gary Johnson.
 
KopeAcetic said:
It's sad but true that political parties are more interested in proving the other side incorrect or incompetent than they are proving themselves correct or competent. This goes for both parties at all times of the cycle.
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I agree.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Then write in your own name, since you seem to feel you are better equipped to know how to do the job better than any of those who are running.
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Or you could just not vote for anyone, as I did in another race, because there is nobody I actually want to occupy that spot. What difference does it make? Whoever you pick is going to lose anyhow.
 
Cephus said:
Or you could just not vote for anyone, as I did in another race, because there is nobody I actually want to occupy that spot. What difference does it make? Whoever you pick is going to lose anyhow.
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Yeah, I see you believe the same thing that a few million other Gary Johnson supporters think.
 
Renae said:
After weighing the good, the bad and the ugly I find I'm forced to vote for Trump tomorrow. I don't do this lightly, and it's more out of a total disdain of Hillarys corruption rather than any backing for Trump. Granted, I'm in Texas so it's not likely Hillary will gain much traction here. We're still a red state, but a President Hillary Clinton... I just can't support, and there are no valid 3rd party candidates I can support.

Trump is a fool, he's supporting taking 2nd amendment rights without due process, he's a braggart, an oaf, he's a thief, a cheapskate and a jerk. Still, he's not Hillary. This is the first election I've voted in since 1994 when I could use my power as a citizen to shape our country's path that I am depressed about my choice.

I hate all of you Trumpers that forced this choice on America, and I am angry at the GOP for being so pathetic as to make this election a "Screw YOU" election. I hope the GOP burns, and a new, conservative and principled party arises from the ass cancer that a Trump Presidency (or failed candidacy) will bring.

You, the voters forced this, you, the GOP made it happen. Hell, for the first time since 1994 I didn't give a single penny to the GOP. Not one penny. First time. 24 years. Do you know how crappy I feel?
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Since you don't live in a swing state, why not vote for a candidate whom you DO support? Perhaps whichever candidate from the primaries you supported? or someone you wish had run for office but didn't?

I think the "lesser evil" vote makes a lot of sense in a swing state, but not so much in a solid state.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Yeah, I see you believe the same thing that a few million other Gary Johnson supporters think.
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Except there aren't a few million. There are people who say they support libertarianism, but when it comes right down to it, they vote Democrat or Republican every time. I don't think these people would vote for Gary Johnson if he was the only one running.
 
Cephus said:
Except there aren't a few million. There are people who say they support libertarianism, but when it comes right down to it, they vote Democrat or Republican every time. I don't think these people would vote for Gary Johnson if he was the only one running.
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Yeah, I'll give you that one. I was trying to go the route of hyperbole...and that never works for me anyway.
 
calamity said:
They could not prove he lied because the question asked was vague enough that Clinton could legitimately challenge the meaning of the word "is" in the context of said question. Had they asked "was" the equation would have shifted.

Plaintiff attorney: Is there an affair going on between you and Monica?

Clinton: No---(dumb asses, the affair ended last month.)
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That's not how I recall it. It's my recollection that the "is" lie under oath was the reason Clinton lost his license to practice law in Arkansas and was fined heavily once he left the White House. I think the legal issue was pretty much stone cold proven.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You do realize that this post is entirely ironic and is precisely how many liberals view conservatives... especially your last paragraph. This just shows that "true believers" and/or "true haters" can't see past their own blind rigidity.
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Which is a pretty ironic statement in itself, considering the source.
 
Renae said:
After staring at the ballot. I voted straight GOP cept for RR comish and I went libertarian, wrote in Ted Cruz for prez I just could not vote Trump
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I also voted straight GOP. I almost wrote in Rubio or Kasich, but decided in the end to circle the dot by Johnson's name. It was goddam depressing to see the names "Donald Trump" and "Hillary Clinton" on my ballot. How did it come to this?
 
Chomsky said:
Excellent post, John.

Insightful, balanced, and I believe both historically and contemporaneously accurate.

I couldn't agree more! :thumbs:

But I'd like to add: With the bitter political divide, along with the current venomous climate, and the ease in rabble-rousing & spreading FUD, I wouldn't doubt if the GOP Congress considers giving impeachment a try. At the very least, I believe will try to mire her in Congressional hearings & inquiry. And by attacking her in this manner they can limit her ability to field politically friendly & competent candidates for key transitional positions - who wants to walk into a political melee and be subject to that level of scrutiny or legal exposure?
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Thanks Chomsky,

I agree, there will be a significant level of anger and vitriol towards a President Hillary Clinton, although I do think that Ryan will be able to temper that anger so long as Clinton does not do anything in office that sets the bile rising. If she finds a way to govern from the middle, as Obama woefully couldn't, she might garner some cooperation at least from the majority elements of the Republican caucus and with Democrat additions some things could get done. She will, however, get nowhere with Supreme Court appointments if they are anywhere near as fringe as Obama's have been. That's just not on considering the climate and considering the current replacement pending is for a staunch conservative constitutional constructionist and literalist.

If Republicans begin from the start to nickel and dime a President Clinton with unending investigations and inquiries, they will do far more harm to themselves than to Clinton. Best to let the FBI and the Justice Department do the dirty work and if they don't, move to appoint a special prosecutor to handle it at arms length.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
No, it's just a vote for GJ. That was just me being snarky. Sorry.
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Oh no, I know that. I was agreeing with the point you were making. I knew you were being snarky. And I totally get it.

Every time some Trumpkin accused me of voting for Hillary because I wasn't going to vote for Trump, that's when I was told that a vote not for Trump meant a vote for Hillary. And I shook my head.
 
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