To those who still plan to vote for Hillary Clinton...

I'm not brand new but somewhat new to this site. I get it, people feel strongly about certain issues. I know this will be quite long so I hope you will bare with me. Hillary is not the answer. In fact, she is the very person we simply cannot elect to office. I get it. People who believe in a woman's right to choose, gay marriage, protecting our children against gun violence, they feel they have no other choice. I'm a mom. And I support a woman's right to choose. I believe a person has the right to love who they love without question. I get it. My fear is that these very groups will vote for this candidate for those reasons when, in fact, America will not betray them. There will always be gay rights. We've progressed to that. There will always be a woman's right to choose. We are an amazing group and even though the left uses this as a fear tactic, it will never be a reality.

What is and will be a reality is that we have a group who is so dishonest that our ancestors are sleepless in their graves. As a Rebel for a cause, you simply cannot ignore this. Those who fought against tyranny during our revolution did not ignore other crimes to defend against tyranny. The leaders during the civil war did not justify crimes to accomplish their ultimate goals. And we, as the American people cannot ignore the crimes of the clintons simply because we want to benefit from the leader who wins.

I promise you this, Hillary and Bill Clinton do not care about gay rights, women's rights or anything the great people of this great nation fight for. They care about themselves. Please do not be fooled. The people who vote for trump, if they are like me, will not allow America to slip backwards. We must always protect a persons individual freedoms. But we must also look to protect this country against those who wish to serve and those who wish to sell. The clintons want NOTHING more than to sell America for a buck. If you think there is value in that attitude for you then fine. But if you see them as someone who can only make decisions which benefit themselves, then please rethink your vote. Please! America and our people, all of our people, are too important to sell to the highest bidder!

And remember this, the clintons didn't make this country great. We, you and me, fighting for what is right did. That will never fail democracy! I know that trump is not the leader we prayed for. But, I believe he is probably as equal to the very leadership which made America great. This man is exceptional. God or karma gave him energy like no other leader of his age. There is a reason they face each other today and on November 8th. If you believe like I do it is because he, with all his flaws, cares about this country most of all. If there is a judgement day, I'll bet Hillary will be abscence from sentence. Those who are real, stand and fight and those that are cowards hide. She's done nothing but hide since this election started. I believe that the black population, the gay population and those who fight for justice never, ever hide. The choice belongs to each of us. Please vote Tuesday based on your heart not on the news or the media. Wednesday will be a new day and the media will move forward. Your pain and suffering will no longer be a topic. And Hillary will only be focused on her own defense, in or out of office.

EvaPeron said:

I'm not brand new but somewhat new to this site. I get it, people feel strongly about certain issues. I know this will be quite long so I hope you will bare with me. Hillary is not the answer. In fact, she is the very person we simply cannot elect to office. I get it. People who believe in a woman's right to choose, gay marriage, protecting our children against gun violence, they feel they have no other choice. I'm a mom. And I support a woman's right to choose. I believe a person has the right to love who they love without question. I get it. My fear is that these very groups will vote for this candidate for those reasons when In fact, America will not betray them. There will always be gay rights. We've progressed to that. There will always be a woman's right to choose. We are an amazing group and even though the left uses this as a fear tactic, it will never be a reality.

What is and will be a reality is that we have a group who is she so dishonest that our ancestors are sleepless in their graves. As a Rebel for a cause, you simply cannot ignore this. Those who fought against tyranny during our revolution did not ignore other crimes to defend against tyranny. The leaders during the civil war did not justify crimes to accomplish their ultimate goals. And we, as the American people cannot ignore the crimes of the clintons simply because we want to benefit from the leader who wins.

I promise you this, Hillary and Bill Clinton do not care about gay rights, women's rights or anything the great people of this great nation fight for. They care about themselves. Please do not be fooled. The people who vote for trump, if they are like me, will not allow America to slip backwards. We must always protect a persons individual freedoms. But we must also look to protect this country against those who wish to serve and those who wish to sell. The clintons want NOTHING more than to sell America for a buck. If you think there is value in that attitude for you then fine. But if you see them as someone who can only make decisions which benefit themselves, then please rethink your vote. Please! America and our people, all of our people, are too important to sell to the highest bidder!

And remember this, the clintons didn't make this country great. We, you and me, fighting for what is right did. That will never fail democracy! I know that trump is not the leader we prayed for. But, I believe he is probably as equal to our leadership which made America great. This man is exceptional. God or karma gave him energy like no other leader of his age. There is s reason they face each other today and on November 8th. If you believe like I do it is because he, with all his flaws, cares about this country most of all. If there is s judgement day, I'll bet Hillary will be abscence from sentence. Those who are real stand and fight and those that are cowards hide. She's done nothing but hide since this election started. I believe that the black population, the gay populTion and those who fight for justice never, ever hide. The choice belongs to each of us. Please vote Tuesday on your heart not on the news or the media. Wednesday will be a new day and the media will move forward. Your pain and suffering will no longer be a topic. And Hillary will only be focused on her own defense, in or out of office.

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If, as you claim, Hillary were corrupt and interested in selling the country, you would be right. The problem with your view is that it is built on republican talking points rather than facts. Decades of republican attacks and investigations have failed to turn up anything that could be prosecuted (or anything that might even be considered unethical) but have successfully convinced you she is evil. You fell for their lies and are now sacrificing your ideals because of it; they did a great job.

CrabCake said:

If, as you claim, Hillary were corrupt and interested in selling the country, you would be right. The problem with your view is that built on republican talking points rather than facts. Decades of republican attacks and investigations have failed to turn up anything that could be prosecuted (or anything that might even be considered unethical) but have successfully convinced you she is evil. You fell for it.

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Did you never imagine that politicians in general are corrupt? Maybe they find nothing because someone is getting paid off or perhaps a favor is been called in. Perhaps the American people today are simply apathetic and don't really care...

LittleNipper said:

Did you never imagine that politicians in general are corrupt?

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If I believed that, then I would switch the word "corrupt" in my post to "more corrupt than any other politician" and my point would still stand. Despite decades of attacks, there is no evidence she is more corrupt than other politicians.

LittleNipper said:

Maybe they find nothing because someone is getting paid off or perhaps a favor is been called in.

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...or maybe because there is nothing to find.

The problem with your view is that her political enemies; the ones who have been attacking and investigating her for decades, are just as: powerful, influential, and politically connected as she is. They can pay people off, call in favors, and everything else just as much as she can. Thus, having such resources at her disposal would not give her any advantage over them. Her political enemies are the entire Republican party and its media allies (Fox News, Sean Hannity, the conservative blogosphere, Breitbart, etc.) they have as much power as she does, if not more.

LittleNipper said:

Perhaps the American people today are simply apathetic and don't really care...

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What does this have to do with anything?

Interestingly, quite a few of those leaked emails indicate that, behind the scenes, Hillary does care a great deal about people and she seems to want to do some good. So yeah, I don't get the whole "nasty woman" thing...

CrabCake said:

If, as you claim, Hillary were corrupt and interested in selling the country, you would be right. The problem with your view is that it is built on republican talking points rather than facts. Decades of republican attacks and investigations have failed to turn up anything that could be prosecuted (or anything that might even be considered unethical) but have successfully convinced you she is evil. You fell for their lies and are now sacrificing your ideals because of it; they did a great job.

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You're right on one point. I fell for lies, the lies of Barack Obama. You can't blame how I think and feel on republican talking points. You give the truth zero consideration. I know you want to believe that this is somehow made up propaganda but the truth is, you are wrong. I challenge you today to truly look at the evidence of all the money the foundation earned from foreign entities while she was SOS. Stop blaming the media for telling the facts, just really look for yourself. But please, be honest. Like it or not she traded the office for money. She traded government favors for money. She traded the American people (all of us) for money. Not just the republicans but all of us. What evidence do you need to believe! I will send it over because it's there if you would just look and stop making this about political affiliations!

CrabCake said:

If I believed that, then I would switch the word "corrupt" in my post to "more corrupt than any other politician" and my point would still stand. Despite decades of attacks, there is no evidence she is more corrupt than other politicians.



...or maybe because there is nothing to find.

The problem with your view is that her political enemies; the ones who have been attacking and investigating her for decades, are just as: powerful, influential, and politically connected as she is. They can pay people off, call in favors, and everything else just as much as she can. Thus, having such resources at her disposal would not give her any advantage over them. Her political enemies are the entire Republican party and its media allies (Fox News, Sean Hannity, the conservative blogosphere, Breitbart, etc.) they have as much power as she does, if not more.



What does this have to do with anything?

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They are politicians. They want to be elected. They want to keep their jobs (the only one most of them have had). They vote themselves pay raises. The have the best retirement packages. They get the best healthcare. They all believe that they can fix the United States through taxation. Mrs. Clinton is a Methodist, and yet what does she ever have to say about Christ? The Clintons are multi-millionaires ------ but what they want is POWER and INFLUENCE. POWER to do what? INFLUENCE to accomplish what? Liberals have been influencing our laws in a big way since the early sixties and yet today we live in more fear of our children playing outside by themselves of an hour or two than we ever did at the height of the Conservative era of the 1950's...

ashurbanipal said:

Interestingly, quite a few of those leaked emails indicate that, behind the scenes, Hillary does care a great deal about people and she seems to want to do some good. So yeah, I don't get the whole "nasty woman" thing...

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Yea, I feel the same way particularly about her hacked speeches. In these private settings she shows awareness of a lot of people's struggles, but she also admits that she is disconnected from the middle class because she has been surrounded by the rich for so long. It's very comforting to read those transcripts. Listening to a millionaire or billionaire pretend like they can relate to regular people is dishonest and insulting. I also don't agree with the OP's message. I can accept Hillary is corrupt at some level, doesn't relate to the people, and plays politician more than she actually plays herself. Trump is not better. I don't care how loud Alex Jones yells it or catchy Breitbart's latest hard right headline is.

EvaPeron said:

Hillary is not the answer. In fact, she is the very person we simply cannot elect to office.

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Globalist Granny is a walking talking scandal. There's no doubt. She's corrupt beyond belief and anyone who supports such a criminal is an idiot of the highest caliber. I mean, who in sam hill votes for a known corrupt thief?

EvaPeron said:

You're right on one point. I fell for lies, the lies of Barack Obama. You can't blame how I think and feel on republican talking points.

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Sure I can. You're repeating their points verbatim. In addition to that, you've now brought Barack Obama into this and are repeating the Republican talking points about him. It's looking more and more like you aren't the "progressive who just can't back Hillary because of her corruption" that you seemed to be portraying in your opening post.

EvaPeron said:

You give the truth zero consideration.

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Quite the opposite. I place the truth above all else. Rather than falling for rumors, innuendo, and accusations, I look at the truth. I don't look at what Republicans said the truth was, but what actually turned out to be the truth once all the investigations were over. I give the truth more consideration than you do.

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I challenge you today to truly look at the evidence of all the money the foundation earned from foreign entities while she was SOS.

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First of all, that is neither illegal nor unethical. The decision to stop accepting donations from foreign entities while she was Secretary of State was a completely voluntary policy she instituted in order to prevent any hint of impropriety; but she could have lifted this policy whenever she felt like it. There's nothing illegal about convincing foreign entities to give money to charity.

Secondly, I challenge you today to show how she benefitted from any of this money. The Clinton foundation, among other things: trains rural farmers in Africa and provides them access to seed, equipment, and markets for their crops; spearheads reforestation and renewable energy projects in Africa and Latin America; is currently engaged in hurricane relief efforts in Haiti; works to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medication in developing countries and helps those countries improve their healthcare infrastructure. It's the kind of charity you would expect foreign entities to donate to. The Clintons do not make money from the charity.

Third, I challenge you to show how any of the foreign entities that donated to the Clinton Foundation received any benefit from the State Department. If you could find some kind of quid pro quo, this would be a really big deal and could land Clinton in prison. But no matter how hard they have tried, Republicans have failed to find any evidence this has ever occurred.

EvaPeron said:

Stop blaming the media for telling the facts, just really look for yourself.

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You should look for yourself. You're repeating Republican talking points and right-wing blogosphere conspiracy theories as if they are facts; they aren't.

EvaPeron said:

But please, be honest. Like it or not she traded the office for money. She traded government favors for money.

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Prove it. If you can do so, she goes to jail. Guess why after decades of investigations and attacks Republicans have been unable to do this? Because it probably didn't happen.

EvaPeron said:

What evidence do you need to believe!

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Something besides rumor, innuendo, and accusations. An investigation that actually discovered something instead of ultimately debunking every one of its talking points would go a long way towards this. But after decades of investigations on everything from her real estate ventures (Whitewater) to her handling of crises (Benghazi) the only thing of interest that has ever surfaced is that she was dumb about how she handled her e-mail.

I completely agree with you that Hillary Clinton isn't the politician I want to vote for, or even the person I want in office, but I can't by good conscience not vote for her in the off chance that my one vote might assist Trump in any way, shape, or form.

Hillary Clinton is like putting brussels sprouts on ice cream and calling it gourmet.

Donald Trump is like putting feces in drinking water and charging you to drink it.

EvaPeron said:

Hillary and Bill Clinton do not care about gay rights, women's rights or anything the great people of this great nation fight for. They care about themselves. Please do not be fooled

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Leftists do not care what Globalist Granny does. They welcome corruption. Anything that causes damage to the country is look on as something wonderful by the left. Theses people are clearly angry, bitter, and full of hate for the nation and will screw it every chance they get.

KopeAcetic said:

I completely agree with you that Hillary Clinton isn't the politician I want to vote for, or even the person I want in office, but I can't by good conscience not vote for her in the off chance that my one vote might assist Trump in any way, shape, or form.

Hillary Clinton is like putting brussels sprouts on ice cream and calling it gourmet.

Donald Trump is like putting feces in drinking water and charging you to drink it.

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I grant you TRUMP is an in your face sort of guy. He is not ashamed to say what he feels and you may not agree with him. That said, Mrs Clinton seems to personify a sneak and a the stereo typical career politician that we have had for years and years. She is not a Daniel Webster. She is not an Abraham Lincoln. She is not a Theodore Roosevelt. She is not a Clarence Darrow. Heck, she isn't even a Susan B. Anthony nor a Harriet Beecher Stowe. She has the excess baggage of Bill. A person I really felt insulted the Presidency with one escapade after another. I'm against abortion as a woman's prerogative. And I certainly do not want a national healthcare plan paying for someone's prerogative. She says that she is for diverse marriage. Sorry, I'm against the Federal Government defining anything for it's citizens and not voting for an Amendment change but allowing Supreme Court opinions to rule the day. There are no precedents for such manipulation of the Constitution by the Founding Fathers. I find the entire Democrat platform rooted in a Jim Crow let them eat cake attitude. Democrats like to throw crumbs to garner votes without sticking their own necks out. They need a Liberal Supreme Court to fight for them. They have not been sincere for years.

EvaPeron said:

You're right on one point. I fell for lies, the lies of Barack Obama. You can't blame how I think and feel on republican talking points. You give the truth zero consideration. I know you want to believe that this is somehow made up propaganda but the truth is, you are wrong. I challenge you today to truly look at the evidence of all the money the foundation earned from foreign entities while she was SOS. Stop blaming the media for telling the facts, just really look for yourself. But please, be honest. Like it or not she traded the office for money. She traded government favors for money. She traded the American people (all of us) for money. Not just the republicans but all of us. What evidence do you need to believe! I will send it over because it's there if you would just look and stop making this about political affiliations!

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hillary was not my first choice, but she is far better out of the two left....trump would be a disaster for this country. vote hillary, vote democrat up and down your ballot.

randel said:

hillary was not my first choice, but she is far better out of the two left....trump would be a disaster for this country. vote hillary, vote democrat up and down your ballot.

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The War of 1812 was a disaster for this country. The Civil War was a disaster for this country. The Great Depression was a disaster for this country. The Dust Bowl was a disaster for this country. The Pearl Harbor attack was a disaster for this country. I believe in GOD and HE has gotten us through disasters ----- but only if we are willing to surrender to HIS direction and will. The government of the present is far to busy taking itself far too seriously to realize that GOD is in control.

randel said:

hillary was not my first choice, but she is far better out of the two left....trump would be a disaster for this country. vote hillary, vote democrat up and down your ballot.

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I have a difficult time accepting the superiority of corruption and thievery. It just doesn't work for me.

DamnYankee said:

I have a difficult time accepting the superiority of corruption and thievery. It just doesn't work for me.

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So you won't be voting for Trump.

Works for me.

late said:

So you won't be voting for Trump.

Works for me.

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On the contrary, I do not support Globalist Granny and her corruption she and her followers desire to inflict on the American people. Corruption is never good for a republic which is exactly the reason these subversives are attempting force it upon the nation.

DamnYankee said:

On the contrary, I do not support Globalist Granny and her corruption she and her followers desire to inflict on the American people. Corruption is never good for a republic which is exactly the reason these subversives are attempting force it upon the nation.

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Then what you say, and what you do, are at odds. You know, I think there's a word for that.

EvaPeron said:

I'm not brand new but somewhat new to this site. I get it, people feel strongly about certain issues. I know this will be quite long so I hope you will bare with me. Hillary is not the answer. In fact, she is the very person we simply cannot elect to office...
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Agreed. As you say, the only answer is a President who combines greed, racial and ethnic intolerance, sexual aggression and intellectual disinterest into one egomaniacal package.

late said:

Then what you say, and what you do, are at odds. You know, I think there's a word for that.

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Perhaps they are at odds in your mind but I don't expect much from leftists and their silly word games. Get real.