The biggest political calapse in history.

VanceMack said:

...sigh....

It was never about Bill Clinton getting a blowjob from an intern. Bill Clinton was facing a civil suit for sexually harassing a campaign staff worker. Your hero had her escorted to his room where she walked in on him with his sweatpants around his ankles jerking himself off, then stood up and told her to kiss his dick. She declined. She filed a sexual harassment lawsuit. During the lawsuit he lied, repeatedly about other affairs, about allegations of rape, it was discovered he was on tape suborning perjury and witness tampering, it was revealed that he had allegations of rape and sexual harassment, and that yes, he was currently in the midst of a 'relationship' with an intern whereby your hero had her blow him and he occasionally stuck a cigar in her vagina and smoked the cigars. He was impeached for lying under oath, and not just about the affairs.

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Who was the women your talking about who was the campaign staffer, that had a civil suit against Clinton. That has to be cleared up first.

Fletch said:

Can you tell me what it was Hoover did that led to the Global Depression? Keep in mind he was only in office for about 6 months when the market crashed.

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The regressive party was in office for the two presidencies before Hoover. Thats three in a row and that is what it took to almost destroy our country and economy as Bush did.

jbander said:

Who was the women your talking about who was the campaign staffer, that had a civil suit against Clinton. That has to be cleared up first.

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Paula Jones. How do you bleat on about Monica Lewinsky and NOT know about Paula Jones???

iguanaman said:

Carter created more jobs in his 1 term than Reagan did in his 1st term. I don't blame him for OPEC tripling oil prices either. Regardless nothing compares to the Great Recession of the 20's OR the Great Bush Recession in 2008. The truth is that the further we stray from FDR's tax reforms and regulations the worse off we are as a nation. The legislators of the 1930's knew 1st hand how wealth corrupts if not regulated and we sadly forgot their lesson.

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Carter should have been impeached and sued into the poor house for the threats he leveled against members of the 1980 US Olympic team who wanted to do what British athletes did-compete under the IOC flag. Those who tried to do that were threatened with IRS investigations and worse by the scum sucking POS Carter. A classic case of a left-winger who wanted others to sacrifice years of hard work and their life's dreams so that asshole could pretend he did something about Russian adventurism in Afghanistan. One of the athletes, denied an almost given second gold medal in 1980, noted to me that when Carter dies, every one of us (1980 olympians) will become sprinters as we race to see who can piss on the guy's grave first. That is how hated that scumbag is by our Olympians.

As to FDR's tax reforms-anyone who thinks someone ought to pay 90C of his next dollar to the federal government is a criminal IMHO. FDR raped the Constitution and the pregnancy that resulted from that act is the huge bloated government we have now. Sorry, the commerce clause was never intended to allow the federal government to tell someone how much wheat he can grow on his own property, in his own state for his own use. The commerce clause was never intended to allow the federal government to regulate what sort of firearms private citizens can own or give congress the power to tell an innkeeper who he can serve in his own inn

jbander said:

You ask who deregulated the housing mortgage market, like I said every president since Hoover. Just one of bushes contributions was his Securities and Exchange Commission exempted large investment banks from limits on their debt-to-equity ratios in 2004, following a lobbying push by, among others, future Bush Treasury Secretary and then Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. Then there is the fact that The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy , that he had given a job to in his Government- pronounced fanny and Freddy sound even as they headed toward insolvency. You can't rewrite history or the truth. you can come in and lie and you can come in to distort but neither of those changes the truth. What did Bush have to say about getting more low income people into own home. " The Bush Administration through HUD, also required Fannie and Freddie to give a higher percentage of their loans to loan-income and minorities that otherwise would not qualify for the loans.

That’s why I’ve challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. I call it America’s home ownership challenge.
And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system — I introduced two of the leaders here today — they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It’s a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts." He threw a half trillion dollars in to do what you blame on Clinton. You people are driving the little clown car with 40 clowns in it.

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We remember history differently but you're not entitled to a new set of facts in hindsight.

I distinctly remember Chairman Barney Frank - you remember that pompous ass of a Democrat US Representative from Massachusetts, and Chair of the Congressional Committee with oversight of Fanny and Freddie, lecturing Bush administrative officials, who wanted to reign in the growing US housing market Ponzi scheme, that Fanny and Freddie were in great shape and the housing and financial markets were fully secure and not in need of any government intervention to limit or control the mortgage industry. We all know how that blew up in his big, fat face and millions in the US and around the world suffered as his incompetence was one of the final daggers in the financial crisis that ensued.

All along the way, from early in 2001 when President Bush first entered office, Democrats opposed any tightening of regulations governing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and any tightening of the mortgage market. That's just a fact you can't get past.

In case your memory fails you, here's a link to one youtube video - there are lots to choose from if you don't like this one:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...ADF80F8DCF3BCFE708D4ADF80F8DCF3BC&FORM=VRDGAR

jbander said:

The regressive party was in office for the presidencies before Hoover. Thats three in a row and that is what it took to almost destroy our country and economy as Bush did.

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Uh oh... don't look now but Colorado is a dead heat and it looks like Virginia, yes VIRGINIA is now in play.

Are New York and New Jersey next up? California? Hawaii? Could we be looking at a Trump clean sweep?

jbander said:

It couldn't happen to a better, more deserving group then what the conservative party has turned into. It's been ugly for years but they have gone to the outer edge of ugliness, to a point that anyone who has a conscience and can think is leaving this sinking ship. The polls and forecasts that I have seen makes for a complete massacre in the presidential race, with all scenarios looked into, Trump has a 4% chance of winning in one and less then 1 1/2% chance in the other. The senate will be a little harder they have a 30% chance, again looking at all scenarios, to end up still being held by This ugly group of Americans. For decades they have groomed their voters to hate and blame our countries trouble on everything from the poor to Muslims, gays,unions, government, Mexicans, immigrants, Taxes, regulations, Teachers, blacks, women and government workers. They instilled this hatred and all of a sudden are amazed that a hate candidate that they can't control takes over their party. Hard to believe isn't it? There is no group more deserving then the party that at one time was called the Republican party.

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What is a "calapse"?

CanadaJohn said:

The Conservative government in Canada was quite successful for about a decade, well regarded as the best run country in the G20 into and following the financial crisis brought on by Liberal Bill Clinton's mortgage Ponzi scheme that almost brought down the world's financial markets and badly damaged most economies. That's a prime example of liberal interference in the economy, a move to entitle those who couldn't afford houses with mortgages they couldn't pay, with disastrous results. Liberal social engineering and societal manipulation is endless and they almost always get it wrong and do far more harm than good.

But I gather you support the teat suckers of the world, so carry on and have fun while you can.

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The Conservative government in Canada? Mind explaining what was so conservative about them before the EVIL Bill Clinton supposedly ruined things?

Opopanax said:

But that's the thing; they have a lot to lose. The same as anyone else. The Bush/Cheney administration was such a disaster, it should have caused a mass exodus from the GOP. From foreign policy to domestic, it was one failure after another. And it's going to take a generation to fully recover from it. We're going to be paying for Iraq forever and the dead will always remain so. Bush's economy stimulating tax cut erased the budget surplus from the Clinton administration and the subsequent meltdown is still affecting us almost a decade later.

Yet they still want to do the same things. Cutting taxes and military intervention in the ME are at the top of the list of things to do.

And healthcare? The policy of "Something Terrific" is what they have. The idea that buying insurance in other states will solve the problem is so utterly retarded, one has to think they know it won't work but are just mouthing the words in order to:
1. Have something to say because it's better than admitting they have no plan at all
2. Because it isn't Obamacare
3. Because the profits of insurance companies aren't socialist, therefore, allowing the sick and dying to get sicker and die and go bankrupt in the process is preferable to universal healthcare
4. Even more disturbing is the notion that they're willing to pay more for insurance as long as others who they consider inferior are prevented from getting it.

There's nothing rational about it and to me it exemplifies modern American conservative thought. It's a vague, ill-informed, poorly thought-out notion that goes against their own self-interests in nearly every way possible. And it's a childish, self-centered spite that helps fuel it. Thankfully there's enough grown-ups in America to keep this half-wit child away from the matches and the gas can in the tool shed.

For now at least.

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Conservatism doesn't work, period, and not one single conservative on this forum can ever name ONE example of a successful conservative run government anywhere in the entire world.

Even their current orange messiah, Donald Trump, knows that conservative policies don't work, which is why he has never supported them. Trump just ran as a faux "conservative" because he knew he had a better chance of manipulating the idiot GOP voters better than he had a chance to manipulate the Democrats. He's a reality T.V. star who flat out managed to steal the nomination from Jeb Bush, and it was entirely due to race baiting/nationalist rhetoric. Without Trump rambling on about "building a wall", and other sorts of nonsense he'll never do, Jeb Bush or someone of the same ilk would have been the nominee, and it would have been business as usual. Trump has managed to cause the party to implode, and it will be hilarious to watch.

Fenton said:

Oh please, like Hillary Clinton supporters have a leg to stand on when it comes to credibillity.

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Clinton's a scumbag.

That said, Donald Trump managed to race bait his way to the nomination over 15 more qualified candidates.

That, my friend, has never been done before.

CanadaJohn said:

We remember history differently but you're not entitled to a new set of facts in hindsight.

I distinctly remember Chairman Barney Frank - you remember that pompous ass of a Democrat US Representative from Massachusetts, and Chair of the Congressional Committee with oversight of Fanny and Freddie, lecturing Bush administrative officials, who wanted to reign in the growing US housing market Ponzi scheme, that Fanny and Freddie were in great shape and the housing and financial markets were fully secure and not in need of any government intervention to limit or control the mortgage industry. We all know how that blew up in his big, fat face and millions in the US and around the world suffered as his incompetence was one of the final daggers in the financial crisis that ensued.

All along the way, from early in 2001 when President Bush first entered office, Democrats opposed any tightening of regulations governing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and any tightening of the mortgage market. That's just a fact you can't get past.

In case your memory fails you, here's a link to one youtube video - there are lots to choose from if you don't like this one:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...ADF80F8DCF3BCFE708D4ADF80F8DCF3BC&FORM=VRDGAR

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You have nothing but your hate, you want people to believe it was Democrats fault because Barney Frank was wrong about Fanny and Freddy. How rediculous is that considering the person that Bush sent to look into Fanny and Freddy also went back and told Bush there was no problem. The right is made up of idiots that think the way you do. Blind puppets marching to their masters, regressive are told how to think and what to think. Your blind comment about me remembering things different then you, is a laugh what I wrote are what happened you just don't like the truth. FACT Bush did what every president since Hoover. Just one of bushes contributions was his Securities and Exchange Commission exempted large investment banks from limits on their debt-to-equity ratios in 2004' FACT Bush was able to solve most of the problem over Fanny and Freddy but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. FACT Bush had an old school buddy , that he had given a job to in his Government go into Fanny and Freddy and look into whether they had problems , Bush gave him all the time he wanted and His School buddy pronounced Fanny and Freddy sound, even as they headed toward insolvency. FACT The Bush Administration through HUD, also required Fannie and Freddie to give a higher percentage of their loans to loan-income and minorities that otherwise would not qualify for the loans. FACT This is Bushes own words Quote" That’s why I’ve challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. I call it America’s home ownership challenge.
And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system — I introduced two of the leaders here today — they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It’s a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts." He threw a half trillion dollars in to do what you blame on Clinton. You people are driving the little clown car with 40 clowns in it. " These are all 100% facts not what I remember. You have no clue and if anyone want to look up my comment they will find also that you obviously have no clue.

countryboy said:

What is a "calapse"?

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Its a person showing me that I can't spell but it also says more and it's something I always look forward to because at that point I know I have them cornered and they come out fighting mad telling me I can't spell, Woopy Ding. I can't conjugate a verb either.

Puigb said:

Conservatism doesn't work, period, and not one single conservative on this forum can ever name ONE example of a successful conservative run government anywhere in the entire world.

Even their current orange messiah, Donald Trump, knows that conservative policies don't work, which is why he has never supported them. Trump just ran as a faux "conservative" because he knew he had a better chance of manipulating the idiot GOP voters better than he had a chance to manipulate the Democrats. He's a reality T.V. star who flat out managed to steal the nomination from Jeb Bush, and it was entirely due to race baiting/nationalist rhetoric. Without Trump rambling on about "building a wall", and other sorts of nonsense he'll never do, Jeb Bush or someone of the same ilk would have been the nominee, and it would have been business as usual. Trump has managed to cause the party to implode, and it will be hilarious to watch.

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Two other things that the right has no clue on is the fact that as soon as they call democrats socialists and communist, I at that point know these poor micro minds have no clue what a communist is or a socialist is. And I've proved that by I would say 100 challenges to their stupidity and not one came back with proof that their charge is even close to true. The other one that I really get a kick over is when these dime store cowboys start their routine about Hillary being a criminal , just ask them to prove it. You will get a laugh at what they call proof. This is what the hate party is made of , lies and distortions and if it wasn't for those lies and distortions their party wouldn't/couldn't exist

CanadaJohn said:

We remember history differently but you're not entitled to a new set of facts in hindsight.

I distinctly remember Chairman Barney Frank - you remember that pompous ass of a Democrat US Representative from Massachusetts, and Chair of the Congressional Committee with oversight of Fanny and Freddie, lecturing Bush administrative officials, who wanted to reign in the growing US housing market Ponzi scheme, that Fanny and Freddie were in great shape and the housing and financial markets were fully secure and not in need of any government intervention to limit or control the mortgage industry. We all know how that blew up in his big, fat face and millions in the US and around the world suffered as his incompetence was one of the final daggers in the financial crisis that ensued.

All along the way, from early in 2001 when President Bush first entered office, Democrats opposed any tightening of regulations governing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and any tightening of the mortgage market. That's just a fact you can't get
In case your memory fails you, here's a link to one youtube video - there are lots to choose from if you don't like this one:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...ADF80F8DCF3BCFE708D4ADF80F8DCF3BC&FORM=VRDGAR

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LOL You really are reaching. You do know that Bush had GOP majorities in both Houses of Congress from Jan. 2001 to Jan. 2007. Little Ole' Barney couldn't have stopped anything the GOP wanted. GW Bush himself stopped the GSE reform Bill from getting out of Committee. Now don't you look foolish? I wonder how many other lies you believe without checking? Just like a typical Conservative you always believe what you want to hear. I don't know how people live that way....Don't you hate that they made you into a patsy and then bend you over for more?:lol: I guess it takes a "special" type of person to take that punishment and ask for more. How are those tar sands that your former Conservative Govt. wasted billions on and left your dollar at 75 cents? They may NEVER be profitable but somebody already made a killing on them you can be sure of that.:2razz:
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NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- Strong opposition by the Bush administration forced a top Republican congressman to delay a vote on a bill that would create a new regulator for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The vote on Rep. Michael Oxley's bill to reform oversight of government-sponsored entities including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was scheduled for Wednesday. Oxley, an Ohio Republican, is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Oxley's plan to reform oversight of the nation's biggest home lenders "falls short of real reform," a senior Treasury Department official said Tuesday in Washington

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Oxley pulls bill under fire from Bush - MarketWatch

Puigb said:

The Conservative government in Canada? Mind explaining what was so conservative about them before the EVIL Bill Clinton supposedly ruined things?

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A Liberal government was in place in Canada when Bill Clinton was President. A Conservative government was in place in Canada before Bill Clinton, during the Reagan and Bush I years. The Liberal government in Canada, to their great credit, in the late 1990s, went on an austerity push that greatly reduced Canada's deficits, debt, and overall expenditures and recaptured Canada's triple A credit rating. Unfortunately, Canada suffered in the late 2000's, like every other nation in the world, because of Bill Clinton America's dumb ass move to make every homeless, unemployed grifter - much like the Clinton's themselves - home owners on the government teat without any income or means of paying off their mortgages. The Conservative government in Canada, much to their great credit, put in place means and policies to ride through and out of the American manufactured financial crisis and were back to balanced budget financing until the Liberals got elected last year and immediately started on a deficit and debt fueled spending spree, which is basically their answer to every issue.

countryboy said:

What is a "calapse"?

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I believe that's the dance of the liberal when their welfare card gets reloaded each month or when their Obama phone arrives priority post.

Puigb said:

Conservatism doesn't work, period, and not one single conservative on this forum can ever name ONE example of a successful conservative run government anywhere in the entire world.

Even their current orange messiah, Donald Trump, knows that conservative policies don't work, which is why he has never supported them. Trump just ran as a faux "conservative" because he knew he had a better chance of manipulating the idiot GOP voters better than he had a chance to manipulate the Democrats. He's a reality T.V. star who flat out managed to steal the nomination from Jeb Bush, and it was entirely due to race baiting/nationalist rhetoric. Without Trump rambling on about "building a wall", and other sorts of nonsense he'll never do, Jeb Bush or someone of the same ilk would have been the nominee, and it would have been business as usual. Trump has managed to cause the party to implode, and it will be hilarious to watch.

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Typical Liberal - you asked for a conservative government that was successful and I gave you one but you still bleat on about no successful conservative governments - you can't teach or help the deaf and the blindly ignorant who stubbornly hold on to their failed beliefs. Sidle on up to the trough and enjoy.

Puigb said:

Clinton's a scumbag.

That said, Donald Trump managed to race bait his way to the nomination over 15 more qualified candidates.

That, my friend, has never been done before.

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Worked for Barack Obama too.

iguanaman said:

LOL You really are reaching. You do know that Bush had GOP majorities in both Houses of Congress from Jan. 2001 to Jan. 2007. Little Ole' Barney couldn't have stopped anything the GOP wanted. GW Bush himself stopped the GSE reform Bill from getting out of Committee. Now don't you look foolish? I wonder how many other lies you believe without checking? Just like a typical Conservative you always believe what you want to hear. I don't know how people live that way....Don't you hate that they made you into a patsy and then bend you over for more?:lol: I guess it takes a "special" type of person to take that punishment and ask for more. How are those tar sands that your former Conservative Govt. wasted billions on and left your dollar at 75 cents? They may NEVER be profitable but somebody already made a killing on them you can be sure of that.:2razz:
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Oxley pulls bill under fire from Bush - MarketWatch

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Your comments do nothing but prove what I've been saying and that it was the Bush administration, as early as 2001 when President Bush first came into office, that wanted to reform the government sponsored mortgage lending business and tighten regulations governing Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and that the Democrats wanted Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac left alone as perfectly sound and the Republican bill didn't go far enough, in the view of the administration, to do the necessary regulatory reform to put Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac on sounder footing going forward.

Now, don't you look foolish

At least President Bush and some Republicans were trying to do something to clean up the mortgage business mess left behind by the sainted Bill Clinton and God knows that wasn't the only pile of **** Bill Clinton left for the new President.

Puigb said:

Clinton's a scumbag.

That said, Donald Trump managed to race bait his way to the nomination over 15 more qualified candidates.

That, my friend, has never been done before.

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Race bait ? Has he said anything racist or are you just repeating talking points ?

Granted I've never been a huge Trump fan but my dislike is based on him not being a Conservative. not some manufactured talking point ginned up by the opposition

jbander said:

It couldn't happen to a better, more deserving group then what the conservative party has turned into. It's been ugly for years but they have gone to the outer edge of ugliness, to a point that anyone who has a conscience and can think is leaving this sinking ship. The polls and forecasts that I have seen makes for a complete massacre in the presidential race, with all scenarios looked into, Trump has a 4% chance of winning in one and less then 1 1/2% chance in the other. The senate will be a little harder they have a 30% chance, again looking at all scenarios, to end up still being held by This ugly group of Americans. For decades they have groomed their voters to hate and blame our countries trouble on everything from the poor to Muslims, gays,unions, government, Mexicans, immigrants, Taxes, regulations, Teachers, blacks, women and government workers. They instilled this hatred and all of a sudden are amazed that a hate candidate that they can't control takes over their party. Hard to believe isn't it? There is no group more deserving then the party that at one time was called the Republican party.

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It's not over yet. Nate Silver has been flip flopping critical states like a fish on a dry dock.

Two weeks ago, he had Ohio at 60-40 for Hillary; today it is the opposite. Florida was 75-25 Hillary; now it's 50-50. Iowa, Arizona and Nevada were all pretty solidly Blue back then too. Now, they are all going Trump's way.

He's still down 40 electoral votes...but, I would not call this just now.

iguanaman said:

LOL You really are reaching. You do know that Bush had GOP majorities in both Houses of Congress from Jan. 2001 to Jan. 2007. Little Ole' Barney couldn't have stopped anything the GOP wanted. GW Bush himself stopped the GSE reform Bill from getting out of Committee. Now don't you look foolish? I wonder how many other lies you believe without checking? Just like a typical Conservative you always believe what you want to hear. I don't know how people live that way....Don't you hate that they made you into a patsy and then bend you over for more?:lol: I guess it takes a "special" type of person to take that punishment and ask for more. How are those tar sands that your former Conservative Govt. wasted billions on and left your dollar at 75 cents? They may NEVER be profitable but somebody already made a killing on them you can be sure of that.:2razz:
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Lol....we never get the whole story from you people.
Bush didn't support HR1461 because Barney Frank added a " affordable housing " slush fund to it.

Bush supported Senate Bill 190 which passed through commitee with zero Democrat votes.

It never made it to the floor because the GOP lacked a fillibuster proof majority.

jbander said:

Its a person showing me that I can't spell but it also says more and it's something I always look forward to because at that point I know I have them cornered and they come out fighting mad telling me I can't spell, Woopy Ding. I can't conjugate a verb either.

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Nobody needs to spell these days, it's called "spellcheck". You have nobody cornered, save maybe yourself.

calamity said:

It's not over yet. Nate Silver has been flip flopping critical states like a fish on a dry dock.

Two weeks ago, he had Ohio at 60-40 for Hillary; today it is the opposite. Florida was 75-25 Hillary; now it's 50-50. Iowa, Arizona and Nevada were all pretty solidly Blue back then too. Now, they are all going Trump's way.

He's still down 40 electoral votes...but, I would not call this just now.

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538 never dropped Hillary's chances of winning below 60%.

A wisconsin poll yesterday ( a quite good one) showed her support is strong there, and Moody's is also predicting a Hillary win.

The Senate is a different story. It doesn't get press, but the 1st Circuit is just as important as the SC. Republicans got to appoint a lot of Right wingers in the Reagan/Bush years, and they've been holding up appointments to make the Circuit even more conservative. The problem is they don't have enough people, and things that need work are backing up. The Senate needs an enema to get the sh... out.

late said:

538 never dropped Hillary's chances of winning below 60%.

A wisconsin poll yesterday ( a quite good one) showed her support is strong there, and Moody's is also predicting a Hillary win.

The Senate is a different story. It doesn't get press, but the 1st Circuit is just as important as the SC. Republicans got to appoint a lot of Right wingers in the Reagan/Bush years, and they've been holding up appointments to make the Circuit even more conservative. The problem is they don't have enough people, and things that need work are backing up. The Senate needs an enema to get the sh... out.

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Problem is the Left does not have 24/7 propaganda networks like Fox, Talk Radio and hard core websites like Drudge and Breitbart constantly reminding people how badly the Right is screwing up the country. Without that constant drumbeat, it's hard to drive the message home.