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45% say emails worse than Watergate, 61% fear probe to drag into White House

Gaius46 said:
The emails are not as bad as Watergate. That's pure idiocy
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I think they have the potential of being far worse!

You have no idea what kind of National Security has been compromised by this reckless action of Hillary and her surrogates.
Denial reigns supreme, in the Lefty domiciles. :2razz:
 
MickeyW said:
I think they have the potential of being far worse!

You have no idea what kind of National Security has been compromised by this reckless action of Hillary and her surrogates.
Denial reigns supreme, in the Lefty domiciles. :2razz:
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I'm old enough to remember Watergate. This isn't in the same league. Classified doesn't necessarily mean the information is actually important. Our government classifies EVERYTHING. Even the number of time the president's dog takes a dump.
 
Gaius46 said:
I'm old enough to remember Watergate. This isn't in the same league. Classified doesn't necessarily mean the information is actually important. Our government classifies EVERYTHING. Even the number of time the president's dog takes a dump.
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With the Clinton's Crime Family history of being investigated for corruption and crimes, year after year, decade after decade.......I think it's Huge!
 
Gaius46 said:
I'm old enough to remember Watergate. This isn't in the same league. Classified doesn't necessarily mean the information is actually important. Our government classifies EVERYTHING. Even the number of time the president's dog takes a dump.
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If you're old enough to remember Watergate, then you are old enough to remember it involved a lame attempt to cover up the break in of the DNC headquarters in DC.

The emails that Hillary failed to protect properly may involve far more serious matters involving National Security issues, foreign countries, and espionage.

It's absurd to think they couldn't be more serious.
 
tres borrachos said:
I think we can safely predict that whichever of these nincompoops ends up winning next week, he or she will get absolutely nothing done. As you said, the parties will set out to destroy them, and the Americans will hate him or her (if not already) within a few short months of ascension into office.

I'm prepared for the longest 4 years of my life, and the chance to see a real candidate oppose the clown who wins in 2020.

I've never dreaded seeing someone enter the Oval Office as I do with these two.

Barry Goldwater is rolling in his grave.
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That dread, fear for some of us regardless of wins. The fear that either one will lead this nation down the path to ruin. I have always rated Obama as a below average president. But compared to Trump and Hillary Clinton, Obama is a George Washington, a Thomas Jefferson, a Theodore Roosevelt, an FDR, a Harry S. Truman. Then there is Trump and Clinton, worst than an Andrew Johnson, a Warren G. Harding, Franklin Pierce, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover.

Only these two are so far anyway, not convicted criminals.
 
ocean515 said:
If you're old enough to remember Watergate, then you are old enough to remember it involved a lame attempt to cover up the break in of the DNC headquarters in DC.

The emails that Hillary failed to protect properly may involve far more serious matters involving National Security issues, foreign countries, and espionage.

It's absurd to think they couldn't be more serious.
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Watergate was far more than just a coverup of a felony by Nixon and his staff - though that's certainly bad enough on it's own. How many people went to jail for it? 50 or thereabouts if I remember correctly?
 
Gaius46 said:
Watergate was far more than just a coverup of a felony by Nixon and his staff - though that's certainly bad enough on it's own. How many people went to jail for it? 50 or thereabouts if I remember correctly?
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Watergate involved the break in of the DNC headquarters and the effort to cover it up. Everyone who got nailed in that investigation was caught doing one thing or another related to that single event. The tried to cover up the cover up, etc., etc.. They tried to influence investigations into the cover up, etc.. It was all about the lame attempt to cover up all that happened related to that one event.

The emails are far more serious. There is no comparison in terms of potential harm, number of possible events, breach of national security, erasing of emails, the list goes on and on.
 
ocean515 said:
Watergate involved the break in of the DNC headquarters and the effort to cover it up. Everyone who got nailed in that investigation was caught doing one thing or another related to that single event. The tried to cover up the cover up, etc., etc.. They tried to influence investigations into the cover up, etc.. It was all about the lame attempt to cover up all that happened related to that one event.

The emails are far more serious. There is no comparison in terms of potential harm, number of possible events, breach of national security, erasing of emails, the list goes on and on.
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I beg to differ given that PoTUS used the power of his office to enable said lame coverup attempt. The emails were mishandled. Maybe some of the classified information is actually important and has real national security implications and maybe some of that actually important for national security classified information got to people who shouldn't have gotten it. And maybe those people will use it against it.

Or maybe not.

Unless and until we know or reasonably suspect that some of those potentialities have come to pass there's nothing here outside possible violations of record keeping laws.
 
I remember Watergate. Watergate white house staffers served time. It started with a burglary. It ended with a sitting President resigning and being pardoned by the next President. John Dean was interviewed last night. He was one of those staffers. Dean said Watergate was a system of illegal actions. He did not see the mistake of using a private e-mail server as even slightly comparable to Watergate.
 
Gaius46 said:
The emails are not as bad as Watergate. That's pure idiocy
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Watergate was a simple bugging of one office and then the disposal of some tape to cover it up. The emails are a violation of national policy that could compromise our national security and the cover up was deletion of thousands of emails that were supposed to be retained by Fed. law. Please show us how Watergate comes even remotely close to being as bad as the emails are turning out to be...
 
PeteEU said:
So was the same questions asked about Trumps fraud trial and his child rape trial?
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only the worst of partisan shills would question the treatment Trump has gotten compared to Liary
 
ARealConservative said:
only the worst of partisan shills would question the treatment Trump has gotten compared to Liary
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LOL the US media has not gone after Trump and his criminal activity.... how much mention has there been about his fraud trial vs Hilary's emails? Or the fact he is accused of child rape? Or how about digging more into his business dealings? Naw, Clintons emails are more important it seems... absolutely mind boggling. If Trump wins, so does Putin, as the Russians will take over the US.. no doubt about that.
 
Watergate was an sitting President who instigated an illegal break-in, pay off, wiretapping, taping, using government agencies (FBI, IRS) to spy on opposing candidates and others; then destroying and shredding evidence. Nixon was about to be impeached, then was pardoned before he could be tried for anything. 40 government officials were indited or jailed.

Keep telling yourselves that a mistake of e-mails on a non-government server is worse. The the FBI already said once that was not a crime. It's ridiculous, especially since no-server anywhere (government or private) is safe from hacking anyway!
 
PeteEU said:
LOL the US media has not gone after Trump and his criminal activity.... how much mention has there been about his fraud trial vs Hilary's emails? Or the fact he is accused of child rape? Or how about digging more into his business dealings? Naw, Clintons emails are more important it seems... absolutely mind boggling. If Trump wins, so does Putin, as the Russians will take over the US.. no doubt about that.
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do you reside in the US? do you watch the nightly news that we are privy to?
 
Gaius46 said:
I beg to differ given that PoTUS used the power of his office to enable said lame coverup attempt. The emails were mishandled. Maybe some of the classified information is actually important and has real national security implications and maybe some of that actually important for national security classified information got to people who shouldn't have gotten it. And maybe those people will use it against it.

Or maybe not.

Unless and until we know or reasonably suspect that some of those potentialities have come to pass there's nothing here outside possible violations of record keeping laws.
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But we a talking about one event, and the efforts involving one event. Clinton was 4th in line to the Presidency, so there is significant power in that position. The matter involving emails occurred over an extended period of time, involving multiple people, immunities, etc., etc..

There was nothing to the Watergate Break In, until the cover up was exposed. The emails involve national security issues, etc.. That is far more serious than keeping a lid on a political dark ops mission gone bad.
 
katzgar said:
the assertion is from a nut job poll. adults say no it isnt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/opinion/no-emailgate-is-not-worse-than-watergate.html?_r=0
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Absolute nonsense! The NYT is in bed with Democrats and there is an indication that Huma and Hillary have conspired to commit treason. See my thread on it.

Exquisitor said:
Well, you know them Clintons, got to have some scandal going on, something negative to take up the people's attention and give them energy, or they won't have enough energy to live.

Too bad though that all this media time and attention couldn't be put to some better purpose, like solving some problems.
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True that. But many are totally pissed off that the Clinton Crime Family went from paupers to billionaires due to graft and grift.....and produce nothing that benefits America.....and contribute nothing to America. It's all about massive power and greed.
Trump on the other hand, has put thousands of people to work. What a ......contrast!
 
ocean515 said:
But we a talking about one event, and the efforts involving one event. Clinton was 4th in line to the Presidency, so there is significant power in that position. The matter involving emails occurred over an extended period of time, involving multiple people, immunities, etc., etc..

There was nothing to the Watergate Break In, until the cover up was exposed. The emails involve national security issues, etc.. That is far more serious than keeping a lid on a political dark ops mission gone bad.
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That's what I'm saying! Spot on!!!
 
faithful_servant said:
Watergate was a simple bugging of one office and then the disposal of some tape to cover it up. The emails are a violation of national policy that could compromise our national security and the cover up was deletion of thousands of emails that were supposed to be retained by Fed. law. Please show us how Watergate comes even remotely close to being as bad as the emails are turning out to be...
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The emails haven't turned out to be anything yet outside of a violation of record keeping law. Any talk of national security implications is complete speculation. On the other hand with Watergate the President of the United States used his power to cover a felony that was instigated with his knowledge if not at his direction. For now the two aren't comparable.
 
ocean515 said:
But we a talking about one event, and the efforts involving one event. Clinton was 4th in line to the Presidency, so there is significant power in that position. The matter involving emails occurred over an extended period of time, involving multiple people, immunities, etc., etc..

There was nothing to the Watergate Break In, until the cover up was exposed. The emails involve national security issues, etc.. That is far more serious than keeping a lid on a political dark ops mission gone bad.
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I don't see it that way at least at this point. You make a reasonable point, I just don't agree with it - today. If things change I may well change my mind.
 
MickeyW said:
The specter of a drawn-out, Nixon-like investigation is clouding Democrat Hillary Clinton's race for the presidency with a new poll showing nearly half equating the email scandal to Watergate and even more worried that the FBI probe will drag on into her presidency.

45% say emails worse than Watergate, 61% fear probe to drag into White House | Washington Examiner
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Since she will be elected President, this will drag into her Presidency. But ultimately nothing will come of it because we stopped holding politicians accountable long ago. Nixon, by modern standards, was a saint.
 
Ikari said:
Since she will be elected President, this will drag into her Presidency. But ultimately nothing will come of it because we stopped holding politicians accountable long ago. Nixon, by modern standards, was a saint.
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But he had a hell of a lot more integrity than either Clinton. The Clintons are whores and slaves to money and power.

Richard Nixon fully believed that he was doing good things for the country. The Clintons don't give a crap about anything that doesn't directly grease their palms.
 
Which only shows that 45 percent of the American people are dump as a lamppost.
 
Perotista said:
Just goes to show you that these two have no business running for president.
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Hillary did a decent job as senator. You can easily find Republicans that worked with her saying that. If you had looked....

She wasn't great as Sec of State, but you ought to admit this is an exceptionally tough time for diplomats. The Clinton Foundation has saved millions of lives.

She ticks the boxes, experience in Congress, experience in foreign affairs, and an interest in philanthropy.

No comparison.
 
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