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What If Obama Pardons Hillary?

Captain America said:
I don't know.

Was Nixon pardoned for something?
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NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
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He hadn't been convicted or charged. But he could have been. So he was pardoned for any crimes he committed or MAY have committed.
 
I've been torn as to whether Director Comey is an honorable man. I've seen his testimony in front of Congress, and he seems very honest and he's described as a straight shooter. But he shut down the investigation seemingly due to political pressure. There was that meeting with Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch which smacks of corruption. Then Comey suddenly does a 180 and comes to the conclusion that there is nothing criminal against Hillary.

But it seems like he's now being honorable by reopening the investigation 11 days before the election. This information HAS to be something significant or else why would he risk himself? The White House says they didn't know anything about this until the news hit. So it appears that Comey decided unilaterally to reopen this at risk to his own position as FBI Director. But he also could realize that if Obama were to fire him as FBI Director right now, it would prove that Obama or Lynch is actively impeding the criminal investigation, so Comey being fired is not likely.

I haven't researched Director Comey extensively, but he seems to me like he's a true American civil servant trying to do what's best for his country while stuck in a very difficult place politically. Do you guys have opinions on this?
 
JumpinJack said:
She's done nothing to be pardoned for. Cheney did, however. Scooter Libby took the fall for him, though. Eventually he was pardoned by Bush...for revealing the identity of a CIA undercover operative. Pretty serious stuff.
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no pardon

the shrub commuted his 30-month sentence
 
JANFU said:
You are aware that the Martians kidnapped Santa on one occasion?
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I thought it was S.P.I.D.E.R. that Santa was battling...
 
BrewerBob said:
He hadn't been convicted or charged. But he could have been. So he was pardoned for any crimes he committed or MAY have committed.
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Hmmmm.... very interesting.

Come to think of it, I do recall something about that. Thanks for sharing.

Old age is hell...... LOL!
 
He concluded that he and the FBI should not pursue criminal indictment based on precedent. In the past, prosecution was reserved for those that *knew* what they were doing was criminal. By the letter of the law, Clinton was guilty. However, Comey made the call that she shouldn't be prosecuted. Of course, thats bull****. The FBI shouldn't be deciding who should or should not be prosecuted. Comey is as corrupt as the summer day is long.




Brewdog said:
I've been torn as to whether Director Comey is an honorable man. I've seen his testimony in front of Congress, and he seems very honest and he's described as a straight shooter. But he shut down the investigation seemingly due to political pressure. There was that meeting with Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch which smacks of corruption. Then Comey suddenly does a 180 and comes to the conclusion that there is nothing criminal against Hillary.

But it seems like he's now being honorable by reopening the investigation 11 days before the election. This information HAS to be something significant or else why would he risk himself? The White House says they didn't know anything about this until the news hit. So it appears that Comey decided unilaterally to reopen this at risk to his own position as FBI Director. But he also could realize that if Obama were to fire him as FBI Director right now, it would prove that Obama or Lynch is actively impeding the criminal investigation, so Comey being fired is not likely.

I haven't researched Director Comey extensively, but he seems to me like he's a true American civil servant trying to do what's best for his country while stuck in a very difficult place politically. Do you guys have opinions on this?
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Brewdog said:
I've been torn as to whether Director Comey is an honorable man. I've seen his testimony in front of Congress, and he seems very honest and he's described as a straight shooter. But he shut down the investigation seemingly due to political pressure. There was that meeting with Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch which smacks of corruption. Then Comey suddenly does a 180 and comes to the conclusion that there is nothing criminal against Hillary.

But it seems like he's now being honorable by reopening the investigation 11 days before the election. This information HAS to be something significant or else why would he risk himself? The White House says they didn't know anything about this until the news hit. So it appears that Comey decided unilaterally to reopen this at risk to his own position as FBI Director. But he also could realize that if Obama were to fire him as FBI Director right now, it would prove that Obama or Lynch is actively impeding the criminal investigation, so Comey being fired is not likely.

I haven't researched Director Comey extensively, but he seems to me like he's a true American civil servant trying to do what's best for his country while stuck in a very difficult place politically. Do you guys have opinions on this?
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Sounds like a reasonable assessment. I would have a hard time accepting a quick discovery leading to another decision not to bring charges within a week. What I would expect is several weeks to carefully review all new evidence, discuss this evidence with legal professionals, discuss it with appropriate experts, then AFTER the election, but before inauguration, disclose the findings.

That said, I do believe there is much corruption in Washington already. If the IRS can target political groups, and if the head of the DOJ can meet illegally on a private jet with the spouse of a presidential candidate under investigation and not be taken to task for just that offense, then why on Earth would anyone sane believe we can expect honest and fair handling of this matter?

Yet the Left is all to happy to look the other way.

Comey may have been a good man at one time, but if you apply enough pressure to anyone, they'll break. I think he was and still is pressured.
Maybe he is also being pressured by his conscious (as a good man) and by his peers also.

Suppose Comey was to have a tragic accident over the next few days? Would the Left still look the other way? (yes)
 
NoLeftNoRight said:
Suppose Comey was to have a tragic accident over the next few days? Would the Left still look the other way? (yes)
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Well, that's the thing, isn't it. The guy has to be terrified to do the right thing. Yet it seems that he, without informing the White House, has decided that he should inform the Congress that things have changed and he is going to reopen the investigation against a presidential candidate a mere 11 days before the election. You know this didn't fall lightly on his conscience.

Imagine if you were in his shoes and you knew personally of what your government was capable of doing, yet you're going to buck the government anyway because it's the right thing? That has to be scary as hell.
 
i can well imagine Obama typing such a pardon using only the middle fingers of both hands

his reply to a republican party which is already insisting it will table all of the democratic supreme court nominations

by offering such a pardon for all known and unknown violations since she became a political participant, Obama can eliminate the republicans from holding hearings to investigate her

he may as well throw bill's violations a pardon, too

Obama's gleeful merry Christmas gift to the GOP
 
Hawkeye10 said:
ANSWER: His already sure to be bad reputation in history will become worse.
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Bad reputation? Seen his recent approval ratings?
 
sanman said:
Scenario:

40% of votes already cast early, so Hillary wins anyway, becomes President-elect

President-elect Hillary is then indicted by FBI on criminal wrongdoing

Obama then pardons Hillary before leaving office

What happens after this?
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congress can still impeach her for "high crimes and misdemeanors"

GOP contenders for 2020 will be campaigning within a day realizing she's a lame duck already.

I'd love to see her win and get indicted though I'd rather have her lose and get indicted. the lying bitch needs to be held accountable for her crimes. and it might be like Al Capone-he did all sorts of crap and they got him for a fairly minor tax evasion charge. But it ended his power
 
if she were to be found to be involved in illegal activity, she was still have to be defended via the courts[her day in court], that would take time and Obama would be gone.
 
TobyOne said:
He concluded that he and the FBI should not pursue criminal indictment based on precedent. In the past, prosecution was reserved for those that *knew* what they were doing was criminal. By the letter of the law, Clinton was guilty. However, Comey made the call that she shouldn't be prosecuted. Of course, thats bull****. The FBI shouldn't be deciding who should or should not be prosecuted. Comey is as corrupt as the summer day is long.
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I don't know that he is. But if he is, why did he write the letter to Congress made known to us at noon today?
 
nota bene said:
I don't know that he is. But if he is, why did he write the letter to Congress made known to us at noon today?
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Perhaps he did it in the vain hope of silencing the character assassination employed against him, for example, this unjustified allegation of corruption.
 
Absentglare said:
Perhaps he did it in the vain hope of silencing the character assassination employed against him, for example, this unjustified allegation of corruption.
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I don't think Director Comey would have taken this step solely to silence his critics. If you think that, you must think very poorly of him yourself.
 
sanman said:
Scenario:

40% of votes already cast early, so Hillary wins anyway, becomes President-elect

President-elect Hillary is then indicted by FBI on criminal wrongdoing

Obama then pardons Hillary before leaving office

What happens after this?
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That would show great trust in his chosen successor and underline his estimate of the legitimacy of his office.
 
nota bene said:
I don't think Director Comey would have taken this step solely to silence his critics. If you think that, you must think very poorly of him yourself.
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His vague and toothless accusation within two weeks of the election reflects very poorly on him.
 
nota bene said:
What is Comey's accusation?
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That implied by his statement where he claims to have uncovered new evidence to justify re-opening the case and modifying his testimony yet that no one has evaluated.
 
So Comey has not, in fact, made an accusation at all.

Insofar as I'm aware, in his letter he says only that his previous testimony needs to be supplemented.
 
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