Trump supporters

On an earlier thread named “Trump”, posted by a Trump supporter, I could not believe what I read in the OP there.

It started this way:

“I didn't write this, but I fully agree with it.

Millions of Trump supporters feel this way about Donald J. Trump. ‘We don't care if the guy swears or how many times he's been married … …
… … “

You can see it’s not really about Trump, it’s instead about Trump’s supporters. The problem is that the quoted “We” part was a thinly veiled sarcastic description of Trump’s supporters, their mindset. When you read through the OP, you can see that. But the Trump supporter, ironically, identified himself proudly with that ridiculous picture.

He fully agrees:

That Trump’s supporters don’t care about Trump being crude, egomaniac, changed positions, fighting with all kinds of people … . They don’t care anything bad about Trump. But they “know he's not a racist, or bad to women, … he's raised a good family, and that says a lot about him.”

He fully agrees:

“The country is a mess, … illegals are everywhere and Muslims are openly trying to hurt this country and make the civilized world adjust to them. ……….. where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in … … “

He fully agrees:

They “are angry about the Iran deal, the budget, treatment of Israel, military weakness, lobbyists, special interests, … … “. They are angry about virtually everything.

And then he fully agrees:

“WE JUST WANT IT FIXED. And TRUMP is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want. … … And he says he'll fix it. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.”



Such a sad story … …

Reed95 said:

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People are willing to engage in mental gymnastics to overlook their preferred candidates short comings.
This is not something that is only applied to Trump supporters.

What's new?

Harry Guerrilla said:

People are willing to engage in mental gymnastics to overlook their preferred candidates short comings.
This is not something that is only applied to Trump supporters.

What's new?

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If moral conservatives reject trump do we get Mother Teressa and Mahatma Gandhi in the white house for the next 4 years?

Because my lying eyes tell me it will be the most incompetent and corrupt politician in living memory who is married to a dirty old man and accused rapist

Mac77 said:

If moral conservatives reject trump do we get Mother Teressa and Mahatma Gandhi in the white house for the next 4 years?

Because my lying eyes tell me it will be the most incompetent and corrupt politician in living memory who is married to a dirty old man and accused rapist

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I'm not claiming either conservatives or liberals are "bad" "evil" or "stupid" by doing this, but everyone does it.
The OP only going against Trump supporters is wrong, imo.

Reed95 said:

On an earlier thread named “Trump”, posted by a Trump supporter, I could not believe what I read in the OP there.

It started this way:

“I didn't write this, but I fully agree with it.

Millions of Trump supporters feel this way about Donald J. Trump. ‘We don't care if the guy swears or how many times he's been married … …
… … “

You can see it’s not really about Trump, it’s instead about Trump’s supporters. The problem is that the quoted “We” part was a thinly veiled sarcastic description of Trump’s supporters, their mindset. When you read through the OP, you can see that. But the Trump supporter, ironically, identified himself proudly with that ridiculous picture.

He fully agrees:

That Trump’s supporters don’t care about Trump being crude, egomaniac, changed positions, fighting with all kinds of people … . They don’t care anything bad about Trump. But they “know he's not a racist, or bad to women, … he's raised a good family, and that says a lot about him.”

He fully agrees:

“The country is a mess, … illegals are everywhere and Muslims are openly trying to hurt this country and make the civilized world adjust to them. ……….. where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in … … “

He fully agrees:

They “are angry about the Iran deal, the budget, treatment of Israel, military weakness, lobbyists, special interests, … … “. They are angry about virtually everything.

And then he fully agrees:

“WE JUST WANT IT FIXED. And TRUMP is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want. … … And he says he'll fix it. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.”



Such a sad story … …

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What kind of story is it when the name Trump is replaced with the name Hillary in the same dialogue?

How soon should 10's of millions of voters forget being considered deplorable and irredeemable by someone they will be asked to call Madame President?

Harry Guerrilla said:

I'm not claiming either conservatives or liberals are "bad" "evil" or "stupid" by doing this, but everyone does it.
The OP only going against Trump supporters is wrong, imo.

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You have the perfect representation of the Conservative right; the demoniac Conservative Donald Trump and his marriage partner Christian Conservative Mike Pence.

Let them go down together.

Mac77 said:

If moral conservatives reject trump do we get Mother Teressa and Mahatma Gandhi in the white house for the next 4 years?

Because my lying eyes tell me it will be the most incompetent and corrupt politician in living memory who is married to a dirty old man and accused rapist

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Mrs. Clinton better do a good job to shut up all your misguided complaining.

Exquisitor said:

You have the perfect representation of the Conservative right; the demoniac Conservative Donald Trump and his marriage partner Christian Conservative Mike Pence.

Let them go down together.

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Trump and Hillary supporters are ignoring the fatal flaws of their preferred candidates.
How many people who support Hillary actually, seriously consider her horrendous foreign policy?
Few, ohh so very few.

ocean515 said:

What kind of story is it when the name Trump is replaced with the name Hillary in the same dialogue?

How soon should 10's of millions of voters forget being considered deplorable and irredeemable by someone

they will be asked to call Madame President?

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They can ask. I'll refuse. As much as I disliked Obama's policies and political practices, I still referred to him with the title he deserves. Hillary deserves nothing from me in the way of respect, and she won't be getting any from me. I hasten to add that I'm an equal opportunity dis-respecter, and certain members of the GOP will receive the same treatment from me. They have helped make this debacle of an election possible.

humbolt said:

They can ask. I'll refuse. As much as I disliked Obama's policies and political practices, I still referred to him with the title he deserves. Hillary deserves nothing from me in the way of respect, and she won't be getting any from me. I hasten to add that I'm an equal opportunity dis-respecter, and certain members of the GOP will receive the same treatment from me. They have helped make this debacle of an election possible.

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Whether you choose to ignore reality or not that is on you, she will be in fact, Madam President if she gets elected. Who cares what fantasy world you care to live in.

humbolt said:

They can ask. I'll refuse. As much as I disliked Obama's policies and political practices, I still referred to him with the title he deserves. Hillary deserves nothing from me in the way of respect, and she won't be getting any from me. I hasten to add that I'm an equal opportunity dis-respecter, and certain members of the GOP will receive the same treatment from me. They have helped make this debacle of an election possible.

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I'm right there with you Humbolt. Not ever will I refer to Hillary as Madame President, or any other respectful name.

I don't like Obama much as a person, and certainly don't like him much as President, but formally, I refer to him as President Obama. There are members of the GOP I hold in equal measure. There are insufficient words to describe my view of Hillary.

Where it's been quite acrimonious during the Obama Administration, that will look like a love fest compared to the atmosphere Hillary has assured during an Administration of hers.

I can't imagine the mind set of someone seeking to be of the people, by the people, and for the people, when she insults in the most heinous of ways, 10's of millions of them.

I doubt they will ever forget, nor will they ever forgive. Irredeemable? That's like pissing on some innocent person you just cold cocked. There is no way to misinterpret her words, no way to take them out of context like the media has done with Trump. The words are what they are and they are inexcusable. That the media has buried them shows where their deserved reputation belongs.

Praxas said:

Whether you choose to ignore reality or not that is on you, she will be in fact, Madam President if she gets elected. Who cares what fantasy world you care to live in.

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My life is not dependent on who occupies the WH. That's reality. I follow politics because it's interesting and I have a preferred ideology. I don't expect that my preferred ideology is necessarily shared. So what? I can understand that for you this would be a depressing life situation. For me, it's not.

ocean515 said:

I'm right there with you Humbolt. Not ever will I refer to Hillary as Madame President, or any other respectful name.

I don't like Obama much as a person, and certainly don't like him much as President, but formally, I refer to him as President Obama. There are members of the GOP I hold in equal measure. There are insufficient words to describe my view of Hillary.

Where it's been quite acrimonious during the Obama Administration, that will look like a love fest compared to the atmosphere Hillary has assured during an Administration of hers.

I can't imagine the mind set of someone seeking to be of the people, by the people, and for the people, when she insults in the most heinous of ways, 10's of millions of them.

I doubt they will ever forget, nor will they ever forgive. Irredeemable? That's like pissing on some innocent person you just cold cocked. There is no way to misinterpret her words, no way to take them out of context like the media has done with Trump. The words are what they are and they are inexcusable. That the media has buried them shows where their deserved reputation belongs.

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Well said. I share that view.

humbolt said:

My life is not dependent on who occupies the WH. That's reality. I follow politics because it's interesting and I have a preferred ideology. I don't expect that my preferred ideology is necessarily shared. So what? I can understand that for you this would be a depressing life situation. For me, it's not.

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Not sure why you ignoring reality is depressing for me? As I said, you can live in whatever fantasy world you want to where Hillary is not president. It just doesn't change reality.

Praxas said:

Not sure why you ignoring reality is depressing for me? As I said, you can live in whatever fantasy world you want to where Hillary is not president. It just doesn't change reality.

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Are your reading skills that poor, or are you just so damn partisan you can't respond honestly? I believe it's the latter. Clinton is not deserving of my respect, and she won't get it. Now, you can prattle on with your reality thing as long as you like, but you obviously haven't been connected to reality long enough to understand exactly what she represents beyond your preferred politics. That just has to suck.

while tRump is a tragically flawed candidate
it must be acknowledged that he has tapped into a deep seam of issues which should not continue to be ignored by our political establishment

why we practice free trade instead of fair trade - how do our companies, especially the smaller ones, compete with businesses outside our nation's borders which do not face the same safety, environmental, and labor restrictions imposed on domestic producers of goods and services

taxes - a $916 million paper loss allows tRump to escape payment of income taxes for 18 years. it's legal; and only one of a myriad of tax loopholes created for those businesses and industries which have contributed to the re-election campaigns of politicians. they are not laying out those massive amounts of money without an expectation of a return on their investments. tax reform was a key recommendation of the Simpson-Bowles study - a comprehensive proposal which was both accepted as sound practice by both parties and then immediately ignored

something aligned with both above issues is the imposition on taxes on income earned outside of the USA. 'buffalo hunt' is an expression sometimes used to describe the recruitment of a large business target to relocate to one's community. our nation's policy of taxing off shore earnings does the opposite of the buffalo hunt - it instead motivates our existing buffaloes to move off shore to avoid such double taxation. they can go to any nation except Eritrea and largely escape such inequitable taxation policies. corporations are not national property. their allegience is not to the nation in which they reside/are based, but to the shareholders. and shareholders want increased share value ... something that is diminished by double taxation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation

immigration - the wall. a stupid solution to a long-standing problem. and a problem that has a very simple solution, but one that is not politically expedient: enforce the current damn laws. if employers were fined heaily and consistently for employing illegals, there would be no jobs attracting illegal immigration. but kudos to tRump for at least making this a topic of political discussion - as it needs to be

racial inequity - the alt-white, the deplorables, the gullibles. since george wallace and david duke, there has been no politician who is speaking out on behalf of a large segment of our society that is getting left behind. while their problem is actually lack of access to economic upward mobility, for an array of reasons, such as being generally residing outside of high performing economic centers, to being under-educated/under-skilled and offering no better value to a producers than a lower wage worker in a third world country, these folks see no government programs reaching out to help them. but they do see affirmative action programs designed to provide upward economic mobility to citizens who are members of minority groups. and because they are white, they are excluded from such programs intended to provide an elevated econoimic condition. other than Chief Justice Roberts, i see no one in government even recognizing this genuine problem; here is his observation:

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

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we should replace affirmative action for a few with economic assistance for all

while the donald has no valid solutions, he has identified many of our nation's problems

humbolt said:

My life is not dependent on who occupies the WH. That's reality. I follow politics because it's interesting and I have a preferred ideology. I don't expect that my preferred ideology is necessarily shared. So what? I can understand that for you this would be a depressing life situation. For me, it's not.

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I suppose if one has no children, doesn't work, pays no taxes, has no business, doesn't need health insurance or even health care, and feels no responsibility for the country then it's possible to feel nothing in your life is dependent on who is ruling you.

Patrickt said:

I suppose if one has no children, doesn't work, pays no taxes, has no business, doesn't need health insurance or even health care, and feels no responsibility for the country then it's possible to feel nothing in your life is dependent on who is ruling you.

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Those are all concerns. I am retired. I can handle what comes with each day. The world is not held safe by politics. Were it so, we would have ceased to exist a long, long time ago.

Harry Guerrilla said:

People are willing to engage in mental gymnastics to overlook their preferred candidates short comings.
This is not something that is only applied to Trump supporters.

What's new?

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And there are some of us who have our eyes wide open and KNOW what our candidate's shortcomings are. And we know what the other candidates' shortcomings are. And we measure our vote according to who will most likely do the most good and least harm despite those shortcomings.

It seems to me that those willing to state they will vote for Trump are quite aware of his deficiencies and shortcoming. I am not seeing that so much in the case of those who are supporting Hillary.

But one thing that has been most noticeable for me in this election cycle is that I am not seeing Trump or Clinton yard signs or bumper stickers displayed anywhere. It seems none of us are all that happy with our candidate. But in this case my vote goes to the one I believe will have the best chance to do some good and who will do the least harm.

Exquisitor said:

Mrs. Clinton better do a good job to shut up all your misguided complaining.

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"Doing a good job" would be a first for mrs clinton.

justabubba said:

immigration - the wall. a stupid solution to a long-standing problem. and a problem that has a very simple solution, but one that is not politically expedient: enforce the current damn laws. if employers were fined heaily and consistently for employing illegals, there would be no jobs attracting illegal immigration. but kudos to tRump for at least making this a topic of political discussion - as it needs to be

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There is no simple solution to any problem including immigration.

When the 1986 amnesty became law there were only 3 million illegals living here


Americans were promised a wall and a crackdown on employeers who hire illegals

Those promises were not kept


Now we have up to 30 million new illegala on the country along with 4 or 5 million amchor babies.

The wall would stop the flow of people which add to the problem while we reach a compromise on the illegals who are already here

humbolt said:

Are your reading skills that poor, or are you just so damn partisan you can't respond honestly? I believe it's the latter. Clinton is not deserving of my respect, and she won't get it. Now, you can prattle on with your reality thing as long as you like, but you obviously haven't been connected to reality long enough to understand exactly what she represents beyond your preferred politics. That just has to suck.

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Your lack of respect for the office shows your lack of character and your ignorance of whether you respect her or not, her title will be madam president. Have fun throwing your little tantrum over not calling someone madam president, no wonder you guys are Trump supporters. Maybe you can take to twitter like your man child candidate Trump :lamo

Mac77 said:

There is no simple solution to any problem including immigration.

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but there is. i already mentioned it. eliminate access to undocumented employment. eliminate access to government assistance programs and prohibit any licensing of undocumented aliens
then they will have no means of making a living. they will be unable to support themselves and their families. and if they DO have such means, by all means, allow them to stay here undocumented while spending their money in our nation

When the 1986 amnesty became law there were only 3 million illegals living here


Americans were promised a wall and a crackdown on employeers who hire illegals

Those promises were not kept


Now we have up to 30 million new illegala on the country along with 4 or 5 million amchor babies.

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while i don't find your numbers credible, 11-12 million is frequently estimated, why would we not have expected the nation to be flooded with new illegals immediately after reagan gave amnesty previously? of course they would come anticipating receiving citizenship in the second round. everyone knew that, but saint ronnie the imbecile did it anyway

The wall would stop the flow of people which add to the problem while we reach a compromise on the illegals who are already here

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the wall would be even less effective than the great wall of china
you think the atlantic ocean kept out the cuban refugees?
no, the solution is to eliminate any reason for illegals to remain in our nation: access to employment. eliminate that and we eliminate the illegal alien problem

and when the feds insist that they do not have enough staff to enforce our laws, then ask them why they do not hire the needed staff in an era when many need a job. and to enlist the help of the public, all the INS/ICE needs to do is offer a bounty on reported illegals on the job, with a promise of splitting the employer's fine once the ICE/INS documents the hiring of the undocumented. it would be America's newest cottage industry. go to the ICE/INS website and file a report of a suspected illegal co-worker. if the tip is accurate, then the reporting citizen receives a financial windfall courtesy of the offending employer
do this and that whoosh sound you hear will be a caravan of illegals making their own way to the southern border

We all get to decide what we do and what we dont care about.

This is America Damn it.

I will be free.

Praxas said:

1)Your lack of respect for the office shows 2)your lack of character and your ignorance of 3)whether you respect her or not, her 4)title will be madam president. 5)Have fun throwing your little tantrum over not calling someone madam president, no wonder you guys are Trump supporters. Maybe you can take to twitter like your man child candidate Trump :lamo

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1) Nowhere did I say anything about lack of respect for the office. You just made that up out of whole cloth.

2) See above. All this shows is your ignorance, and golly, it's astounding.

3) I've already made clear my lack of respect for her.

4) You're confused. I didn't respect Stalin, Hitler, or Mao either. The office and the title they held had nothing whatever to do with the nature of those people, which was uniformly despicable.

5) You are the one having a little tantrum here because you're the one confusing a title with a person. Are you always this confused? Seems like it.

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Whether you choose to ignore reality or not that is on you, she will be in fact, Madam President if she gets elected. Who cares what fantasy world you care to live in.

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Why the insult of "fantasy world?"

Look the OFFICE of president of the United States is a title. It must be used in legal documents, internationally etc.

Now, go back over a few years of posts in here. You will find that 99% of them use the word "Obama" all by itself, no title. So it's nowhere near a "fantasy world" and you lost all credibility with a cheap shot.

There is NO LAW compels my or anyone else on the face of the earth to call her "Madam President".

In dealing with Obama there were times when I called him that "lying lump of **** in the White House" of which I am extremely proud as he had just ****ed 27 million people who lost their plans. In fact, millions of Americans did similarly, as it was them who was ****ed.

The first thing the founders did after passing the Constitution was to write the first amendment. And that little puppy allows anyone, ANYONE to use whatever term of address they like, included in there is "asshole", "thief", "stupid", and on.

So the REALITY is exactly the opposite of what you post, it would appear logically then it is you who lives in a "fantasy would", especially if you believe Hilary will be "honest" in her dealings, something she has never been able to do an anything she's ever done.

So, for me, I will continue to call her "the witch", which if you were paying attention you would know is the more "realistic" title.