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Trump Will Go Away, But the Anger That Boosted Trump Is Just Getting Started

Patrickt said:
Some people are willing to believe anything. Obamacare is working wonderfully well and with allies like Iran, Hamas, Cuba, Venezuela, and France we don't need Israel, Honduras, Columbia, Great Britain, and Poland. More people than ever are refusing to work but that's their government-given right.
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So...why is it then that on the list of states by poverty rate, of the fifteen states with the worst poverty rates in the nation, only one is an oh-so-commie-pinko-liberal state? And that one exception isn't even a state - it's D.C. All the others - 14 out of the 15 worst states in the nation - are RED states...you know, those freedom-loving, everybody-works-hard-and-nobody's-on-the-dole states.

And if you'll dig around a bit, you'll find that red states ALSO generally have worse divorce rates, teenage pregnancy rates, homicide rates, educational attainment rates...you name the metric, and in almost every instance, the red states are worse off. Check it for yourself - it's there for everyone to see.

But I get it - better to have your people living in poverty and in broken homes than to even consider trying what those doggone liberals are doing that make for higher standards of living in blue states...and in several first-world democracies.
 
eohrnberger said:
No, I don't think that batteries is going to do it. The transition from electrical to chemical storage, and it's conversion to electrical again has just far too many energy losses in heat. Batteries isn't going to be it.

Fusion and / or thorium reactions have have a chance to be that energy source.

But why are we discarding green house gas neutral fission?

All we really need to do is open Yucca mountain for the spent fuel disposal, and we have a well known, well understood and reliable electrical energy source.

Why are we being so stupid to eliminate this solution, and cause our problems to be greater?
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Unitedwestand13 said:
I for one am baffled that yucca mountain was closed.

The concern about contaminating ground water? YUCCA MOUNTAIN IS IN A BLOODY DESERT! that was the whole point of choosing yucca mountain.

Concern over transportation of spent radioactive fuel? The containers that are designed to transport nuclear waste are pretty damn tough. The department of energy subjected them to tests involving rocket propelled locomotives hitting the container at 70 miles an hour.
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With Senator Harry Reid retiring we may be able to re-open Yucca Mountain. He's the one that got it closed and has kept it closed.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm with you on this one. Seems like the ecomentalists are bound and determined to cast the human race back to the 1500's or something, and discarding well know, and well understood, greenhouse neutral energy solutions out of hand.

At the same time they also seem to want to discard fraking as a source of cleaner, better energy source at the same time. :screwy

They are going to have to give on something someplace, as wind, solar, and wave energy sources aren't even close to meeting the growing electrical demand.
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At least we can agree on something. :) I actually was convinced by the argument presented by penn and teller on their show B.S.!

The environmentalist they had on used three mile island, Chernobyl, and the threat of terrorist attack to argue against building new nuclear reactors. So we are stuck with old ones.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The next recession/depression will likely start in the next 4 years, if the DC Elite have not by then set on a path of reform all Hell will break loose. Has nothing to do with demographics, a sinking ship takes everyone down with it, and everyone knows this.


The best conversation I?ve had about the election, with Molly Ball - Vox

The above is highly recommended reading for those who desire to understand what is going on in this nation.
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Y'know, if you weren't at a computer, I wouldn't be surprised to see you walking down the street holding up a sign saying that Armageddon's about to happen....
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I for one am baffled that yucca mountain was closed.

The concern about contaminating ground water? YUCCA MOUNTAIN IS IN A BLOODY DESERT! that was the whole point of choosing yucca mountain.

Concern over transportation of spent radioactive fuel? The containers that are designed to transport nuclear waste are pretty damn tough. The department of energy subjected them to tests involving rocket propelled locomotives hitting the container at 70 miles an hour.
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The un-reason that nuclear power is seen as "dirty" lies at the feet of Europe's anxieties about being the nuclear battlefield between east and west. It began as the old saw "ban the bomb" and unreasonably spread to anything nuclear. That same gang became global warming experts when communism failed.

We were to use "reason" we would see that nuclear energy is the cleanest, most sustainable and least expensive source of power. The only thing that rivals it is hydro-electricity which tears up thousands of square kilometers, which heal in 10 to 20 yrs, but you can never tell an ecologist that

That shows you how powerful sustained propaganda is.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Y'know, if you weren't at a computer, I wouldn't be surprised to see you walking down the street holding up a sign saying that Armageddon's about to happen....
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Read the piece, Ball is way more right than most people, which has nothing to do with me.
 
Beaudreaux said:
With Senator Harry Reid retiring we may be able to re-open Yucca Mountain. He's the one that got it closed and has kept it closed.
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One of the many possible positives coming from Dingy old Harry Reid retiring, one of the key architects and enabler of the foolishness and failure that ObamaCare has become and always was. Many may have not caught it, but old Dingy Harry Reid regularly excised libel on the empty after hours floor of the Senate.

A no more despicable political elite you'll rarely find, that asshole.
 
eohrnberger said:
One of the many possible positives coming from Dingy old Harry Reid retiring, one of the key architects and enabler of the foolishness and failure that ObamaCare has become and always was. Many may have not caught it, but old Dingy Harry Reid regularly excised libel on the empty after hours floor of the Senate.

A no more despicable political elite you'll rarely find, that asshole.
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On that we agree.

He should have been disciplined by the Senate as what he did was against the rules. The fact the Democrat side laughed, and the Republicans did nothing shows how ****ed is the system.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Read the piece, Ball is way more right than most people, which has nothing to do with me.
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From the article:

I’ve talked to Pat Buchanan: He said the difference between me and Trump is that he’s succeeding where I failed. He said, “When I was running in the ’90s, I was warning people about the consequences of mass immigration, foreign adventurism, and unfettered trade. But I didn’t have the evidence for it yet, because it hadn’t happened.”

But, to him, the reason Trump won where Buchanan lost was that now people can see the consequences because we’ve done all of those things. There has been an attempt to turn this into a platform and remake the Republican Party as the ethno-nationalist right-wing party you see in Europe.

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The Trump supporters I’ve spoken to, that’s a lot of what they talk about. I’ve talked to Trump supporters right after he declined, briefly, to disavow the Ku Klux Klan. They said they didn’t understand why Trump should denounce the Klan if Obama doesn’t have to denounce Black Lives Matter.

To these Trump supporters, those were equivalent racist movements. So there’s a feeling — I’m not saying it’s correct, of course — but in terms of understanding how people feel, identity is a very powerful force. And a lot of white people feel they don’t have an outlet to express their identity the ways others do.

Ball is almost right - she's on the right track...but it runs deeper than that. I stated several months ago that what we've watched happening ever since the Goldwater debacle in the early 60's is something that is seen time and time again in human history: In any given nation, when the dominant demographic (whether that demographic is racial, ethnic, or religious) begins to see its dominance slipping, many (or perhaps most) of those who belong to that demographic will begin to circle the wagons, as it were, to preserve their socioeconomic dominance. I described the steps the GOP has taken on this path a week or so ago in this article.

This doesn't mean that the movers and shakers meet behind closed doors to plan to "keep the minority down" (though such has certainly happened many times). Instead, the rank and file, the everyday people begin to see the "others" begin to grow in influence...and so their own resentment grows. And grows. And grows.

And that's precisely what has happened in America since the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act - the power and influence of minorities has grown, and the resentment of the not-quite-as-dominant-as-before whites has grown. After all, why do you suppose the GOP went from almost total support of the Voting Rights Act in 2006 to almost total opposition to it not long after Obama was elected?

When I first pointed out all this, I said that things will get worse before they get better, but no one can say how much worse it will get. I'm hoping that we're educated enough as a nation that we can avoid the great violence that has almost always accompanied great demographic shifts in the past.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
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And that's precisely what has happened in America since the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act - the power and influence of minorities has grown, and the resentment of the not-quite-as-dominant-as-before whites has grown. After all, why do you suppose the GOP went from almost total support of the Voting Rights Act in 2006 to almost total opposition to it not long after Obama was elected?

When I first pointed out all this, I said that things will get worse before they get better, but no one can say how much worse it will get. I'm hoping that we're educated enough as a nation that we can avoid the great violence that has almost always accompanied great demographic shifts in the past.
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Calling objecting to the elite fawning over their beloved brown victims while ignoring those who have been victimized by the trade agreements that the globalists have written "Racial resentment" is to prove that you have a thin grasp of the problem. What is being objected to the the incompetence of the elite, the unwillingness of the elite to admit reality, and an unwillingness of the elite to practice fairness if it should end up altering their definition of victim.

The ones being objected to are the elite, not the brown people.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Calling objecting to the elite fawning over their beloved brown victims while ignoring those who have been victimized by the trade agreements that the globalists have written "Racial resentment" is to prove that you have a thin grasp of the problem. What is being objected to the the incompetence of the elite, the unwillingness of the elite to admit reality, and an unwillingness of the elite to practice fairness if it should end up altering their definition of victim.

The ones being objected to are the elite, not the brown people.
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Hey - there's a wagon outside the circle - you should go out there and add that wagon to the circle, 'cause them non-WASPs are gonna start circling real soon now.

In other words, in the scenario I presented, you showed precisely where you were.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Yeah, yeah. Want some cheese with that whine wine?We've heard all this before. Our country's in good shape NOW, we're not even close the hellhole that you seem to think we are, our military IS the most powerful and capable in human history, and we've been in far, far worse predicaments than this and made it through pretty easily. Seems to me that you're just being a sore loser.
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All of this is true, but beside the point. A lot of people are hurting despite what you regard as a good economy. I suppose your investments are doing well.

At several points in American history a populist uprising threatened the established order. Statesmen had the foresight to head that off by squelching the excesses of the elite. Teddy Roosevelt's anti-trust efforts, FDR's farm reform, and Wilson's reforms come to mind. But I see absolutely no one among the elite of either party who has any inclination or ability to function as that sort of statesman now.
 
LowDown said:
All of this is true, but beside the point. A lot of people are hurting despite what you regard as a good economy. I suppose your investments are doing well.

At several points in American history a populist uprising threatened the established order. Statesmen had the foresight to head that off by squelching the excesses of the elite. Teddy Roosevelt's anti-trust efforts, FDR's farm reform, and Wilson's reforms come to mind. But I see absolutely no one among the elite of either party who has any inclination or ability to function as that sort of statesman now.
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Proving that the elite have no interest in fairness, and that they are not smart enough to care about sustainability of the enterprise. It is all about how much they can extract for themselves right now.

The leaders have lost a whole lot of their followers, and it is their fault.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Hey - there's a wagon outside the circle - you should go out there and add that wagon to the circle, 'cause them non-WASPs are gonna start circling real soon now.

In other words, in the scenario I presented, you showed precisely where you were.
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If you are ever find yourself willing to partake in a conversation on the subject you know where to find me.
 
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LowDown said:
Trump is likely to be rebuffed in the election, and he will fade away despite indications he'd contest the result.

But don't for a second think this solves the problem. The anger that birthed Trump's candidacy will just come back a magnitude of intensity stronger. You think you've got things to bitch about now with Trump? Just wait.

You think the violence was bad? You think the rhetoric was over the top? You think that threatening to throw your political opponents in jail was too much? You think that campaigning to destroy foreign trade, prohibit multinationals, close immigration, and trash civil rights is irresponsible? You think Nazi, Nazi, Nazi? I think most likely you've seen nothing yet. There are lots and lots of mountebanks out there itching to step into Trump's political shoes, and their watchword is going to be "like Trump, only 10 times as hard." And there are a lot of people who will embrace them like they are the Messiah.



"Even if Hillary wins, a lot of the country is angry. Remember: The Tea Party was polite, and was insulted and destroyed. Trump voters aren’t polite, and they’re angry. If Trump loses, what comes next? Nothing you want to see." https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247045/
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The Tea Party was polite? That is an absurd self serving statement. That may be an opinion but it sure has no basis in reality. Holy Cow as the Scooter would say.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
So...why is it then that on the list of states by poverty rate, of the fifteen states with the worst poverty rates in the nation, only one is an oh-so-commie-pinko-liberal state? And that one exception isn't even a state - it's D.C. All the others - 14 out of the 15 worst states in the nation - are RED states...you know, those freedom-loving, everybody-works-hard-and-nobody's-on-the-dole states.

And if you'll dig around a bit, you'll find that red states ALSO generally have worse divorce rates, teenage pregnancy rates, homicide rates, educational attainment rates...you name the metric, and in almost every instance, the red states are worse off. Check it for yourself - it's there for everyone to see.

But I get it - better to have your people living in poverty and in broken homes than to even consider trying what those doggone liberals are doing that make for higher standards of living in blue states...and in several first-world democracies.
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Nice rant. But, I get it - better to have your people out of poverty and your blue state burdened with unsupportable debt that your children or grandchildren can deal with. Of course, when you make a state blue by buying votes you pretty much have to run up supportable debt. Two of the worst fifteen states for debt are red states.
Total State Debt: ranked from lowest debtor state (#1) to highest debtor state (#50) : The States Project

That probably explains how elitists liberals live so high, too.
 
Hari Seldon said:
The Tea Party was polite? That is an absurd self serving statement. That may be an opinion but it sure has no basis in reality. Holy Cow as the Scooter would say.
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I cant think of a single person who has proposed that the likes of trump has been seen during our lifetimes. The Tea Party was nowhere near as inflammatory as Trump has been.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I cant think of a single person who has proposed that the likes of trump has been seen during our lifetimes. The Tea Party was nowhere near as inflammatory as Trump has been.
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So they were polite when compared to trump? That's not saying much.
 
eohrnberger said:
How is it that police and military will stomp out the legal right for free and peaceful assembly? Or do you expect the political elite and the leftists to be far more tyrannical and stomp out this constitutionally guaranteed right?
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Go back and read the opening thread. It said
Trump voters aren’t polite, and they’re angry. If Trump loses, what comes next? Nothing you want to see.
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Where did you pull peaceful assembly out?
 
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