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Trump Will Go Away, But the Anger That Boosted Trump Is Just Getting Started

IMHO, the "anger" that you speak of is now mostly at the level of frustration and discontent with an ever growing (in both power and cost) federal government run by self-serving, career elites. Real anger, the kind that could lead to open rebellion like we see in parts of the ME and Africa, is not yet here and, barring a total economic and social collapse, is very unlikely.
 
Flaws. That's just a part of being human.

GHWB's main flaw was that he was incredulous that America didn't appreciate all he had done for the USA (which was a lot-more than almost any other man who has run in decades) and with that attitude he dismissed clinton as a nobody. Clinton's major flaw was that he was in love with himself and figured no matter what he did, others would love him as much as he did

Nixon was paranoid. He lost the 1960 election to a guy with far lower credentials but who looked better on TV and whose father was willing to bankroll massive voter fraud. So even when he was matched against a guy everyone knew he would crush, he couldn't help trying to cheat based on that paranoia
 
Trump's supporters are taking a cue from their thin skinned 'leader'. If he loses it's got to be someone else's fault, AND when he loses they will burn it all down.

A big difference is their leader will still be rich and crapping in gold plated toilets. His supporters on the other hand will still be angry, hateful and miserable.

They got to hate something, or someone. It's their existence. It's what the get out of bed every day for.
. You don't have clue what you are talking about...none. Who Fed you that dribble?
I know hundreds of Trump supporters and none of them fit your idiotic definition.
 
It is why some on the left are advocating for advancing fusion (an energy with a future).

Advanced fusion is still years, if not decades away from being practical. I don't think they've even been able to maintain a sustained fusion reaction in the labs yet. I think you are fooling yourself thinking that it'll be practical in the short term.

Long term? Yes, there is hope that it'll be able to be developed for that, but as I said, it's years, if not decades away from that, at least in my estimation.
 
Trump is likely to be rebuffed in the election, and he will fade away despite indications he'd contest the result.

But don't for a second think this solves the problem. The anger that birthed Trump's candidacy will just come back a magnitude of intensity stronger. You think you've got things to bitch about now with Trump? Just wait.

You think the violence was bad? You think the rhetoric was over the top? You think that threatening to throw your political opponents in jail was too much? You think that campaigning to destroy foreign trade, prohibit multinationals, close immigration, and trash civil rights is irresponsible? You think Nazi, Nazi, Nazi? I think most likely you've seen nothing yet. There are lots and lots of mountebanks out there itching to step into Trump's political shoes, and their watchword is going to be "like Trump, only 10 times as hard." And there are a lot of people who will embrace them like they are the Messiah.



"Even if Hillary wins, a lot of the country is angry. Remember: The Tea Party was polite, and was insulted and destroyed. Trump voters aren’t polite, and they’re angry. If Trump loses, what comes next? Nothing you want to see." https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247045/

It's a legitimate issue, the political elite not addressing the legitimate issues and concerns of the electorate, and their ignoring those issues and concerns is at their own peril.

I am putting my money on our police and military to stomp out any rebellion.

How is it that police and military will stomp out the legal right for free and peaceful assembly? Or do you expect the political elite and the leftists to be far more tyrannical and stomp out this constitutionally guaranteed right?

What are the chances that the Elite, lead by Clinton Corp and Paul Ryan, set to work immediately on reforms in an effort to head off The Rebellion?

Maybe 5%?

They show no signs yet that they understand what is going on, that they are not going to be able to steamroll the American people, because we still have the vote.

Well, at least for now. No telling what sort of 'reforms' a corrupt Hillary and her political machine are inclined to push through. But, yeah, the chances are rather low I figure.

I have been thinking about that. It isn't Trump though. He was only a symptom.

I think you are right that the delegitimatiin of the state has progressed too far to just disappear. It will subside, if we do not have a shock to the system like a bubble popping or a recession. But it will almost certainly resurface, when the next shock hits. What that will mean for the country in unclear ans will depend on a number of things among which one will be the political figures that are seeking power at the time.

Yes, Trump is only a symptom, the same way that Bernie is only a symptom of the left end of the spectrum. the root of both are the dissatisfaction as how the political elite are conducting government business and not representing the electorate.

In the case of Bernie, he was torpedoed by the DNC. In the case of Trump, he was torpedoed by the biased media in collusion with the Clinton campaign. In the end, neither torpedoing is really going to matter, the electorate and their dissatisfaction of the political elites are going to assert themselves, one way or another.
 
Well that I agree with, people are generally more happy and blind with an improved economy. The issue is that is to most people that is a matter of perspective, the actual state of the economy doesn't matter much to be as much as their own personal status in that economy.

Happy and blind, meaning, they'll think they have the prerogative to like or dislike a Candidate and then passionately vote for them giving the high office back to the trickle downs so they can shore up their dykes.

Trump is likely to be rebuffed in the election, and he will fade away despite indications he'd contest the result.

But don't for a second think this solves the problem. The anger that birthed Trump's candidacy will just come back a magnitude of intensity stronger. You think you've got things to bitch about now with Trump? Just wait.

You think the violence was bad? You think the rhetoric was over the top? You think that threatening to throw your political opponents in jail was too much? You think that campaigning to destroy foreign trade, prohibit multinationals, close immigration, and trash civil rights is irresponsible? You think Nazi, Nazi, Nazi? I think most likely you've seen nothing yet. There are lots and lots of mountebanks out there itching to step into Trump's political shoes, and their watchword is going to be "like Trump, only 10 times as hard." And there are a lot of people who will embrace them like they are the Messiah.

"Even if Hillary wins, a lot of the country is angry. Remember: The Tea Party was polite, and was insulted and destroyed. Trump voters aren’t polite, and they’re angry. If Trump loses, what comes next? Nothing you want to see." https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247045/

Well, it's great that we're angry, the Tribulation is at hand (2020,) be angry.

Mrs. Clinton will be fending off her opponents in 2020.
 
I know hundreds of Trump supporters and none of them fit

None huh? Not a single one? We read that daily HERE who fit that description to a T, but you say you know HUNDREDS and that should be good enough for me. lol... Thank you.
 
In the case of Trump, he was torpedoed by the biased media in collusion with the Clinton campaign.

This is why Trump is getting less and less support. His supporters like you, and Trump blame everyone but Trump. It's old, and boring. TRUMP torpedoed Trump. He used the same game plan he used during in the GOP primaries. But in a General Election that doesn't work. The Indy's and Moderates do not like someone who makes fun of disabled people and POW's. The far right of the GOP primaries may not care, but the general electorate of moderates cares. TRUMP destroyed Trump, no one else.
 
Fusion is a science fiction fantasy.

No, I don't think so. I think that it'll be years or decades before the human race can harness that energy source, but eventually I believe we will.

Thinking about it a bit more, we really don't have a choice but to harness that energy source.
 
No, I don't think so. I think that it'll be years or decades before the human race can harness that energy source, but eventually I believe we will.

Thinking about it a bit more, we really don't have a choice but to harness that energy source.

If we dont get a cheap dependable low pollution energy source we are in trouble. maybe battery tech gets good enough that solar does the job, but I doubt it.
 
Yeah, yeah. Want some cheese with that whine wine?We've heard all this before. Our country's in good shape NOW, we're not even close the hellhole that you seem to think we are, our military IS the most powerful and capable in human history, and we've been in far, far worse predicaments than this and made it through pretty easily. Seems to me that you're just being a sore loser.

Some people are willing to believe anything. Obamacare is working wonderfully well and with allies like Iran, Hamas, Cuba, Venezuela, and France we don't need Israel, Honduras, Columbia, Great Britain, and Poland. More people than ever are refusing to work but that's their government-given right.
 
I have been thinking about that. It isn't Trump though. He was only a symptom.

I think you are right that the delegitimatiin of the state has progressed too far to just disappear. It will subside, if we do not have a shock to the system like a bubble popping or a recession. But it will almost certainly resurface, when the next shock hits. What that will mean for the country in unclear ans will depend on a number of things among which one will be the political figures that are seeking power at the time.

I disagee, alot of it IS Trump. He has capitalized on his reality show fame and many of his supporters are smitten by this fame. Then there is the "sick of losing" factor in where they believe Trump has a better chance to win because he is famous. That will all go out the window when he loses badly. How popular were Romney and McCain after their losses? Trump has also destroyed his brand which is all he really has. The rest is smoke and mirrors.

Earlier this week, The New York Times reported that regular customers for his consumer goods are throwing out their Trump merchandise in small acts of rebellion against his baleful candidacy. And some of Trump’s well-heeled customers are now boycotting his hotels and golf courses and refusing to dine in restaurants on his properties. One retired doctor interviewed for that story canceled an $18,000 vacation at Trump’s Doral golf club with 11 of his buddies, saying, “For me, it’s an ethical statement.”

Ivanka Trump’s clothing line has been similarly affected. Her customers are young working women — few of whom are voting for her father. And she is obviously concerned, although in typical Trump fashion the woman everyone sees as the classy face of the Trump empire reacted very much like her father earlier this week, when quizzed about his “rigged election” talk at the Fortune Most Powerful Women Conference in California. She said this:
Has Donald Trump destroyed his brand and his business? The GOP nominee stands to lose more than the election - Salon.com
 
Emotion is illogical and whether you love Obama and hate Trump or hate Obama and love Trump you're a fool to make decisions based on emotions. Sadly, when emotion and logic conflict, emotion almost always wins.
 
This is why Trump is getting less and less support. His supporters like you, and Trump blame everyone but Trump. It's old, and boring. TRUMP torpedoed Trump. He used the same game plan he used during in the GOP primaries. But in a General Election that doesn't work. The Indy's and Moderates do not like someone who makes fun of disabled people and POW's. The far right of the GOP primaries may not care, but the general electorate of moderates cares. TRUMP destroyed Trump, no one else.

Rather naive of you to believe that the biased, corrupt and colluding media didn't at least contribute to this.

Open you partisan blinders sometime and engage in some critical thought. It could only do you some good.
 
If we dont get a cheap dependable low pollution energy source we are in trouble. maybe battery tech gets good enough that solar does the job, but I doubt it.

No, I don't think that batteries is going to do it. The transition from electrical to chemical storage, and it's conversion to electrical again has just far too many energy losses in heat. Batteries isn't going to be it.

Fusion and / or thorium reactions have have a chance to be that energy source.

But why are we discarding green house gas neutral fission?

All we really need to do is open Yucca mountain for the spent fuel disposal, and we have a well known, well understood and reliable electrical energy source.

Why are we being so stupid to eliminate this solution, and cause our problems to be greater?
 
The post-Trump era is a lot like Reconstruction.

The GOP will have to figure out if it will have to embrace a 10% plan or if it will need to go Radical Republican.
 
No, I don't think so. I think that it'll be years or decades before the human race can harness that energy source, but eventually I believe we will.

Thinking about it a bit more, we really don't have a choice but to harness that energy source.

Thus far there has been exactly zero progress made in the field. I think it's akin to the perpetual motion machine. I wish it weren't so, but at this point it seems to be the case.
 
Thus far there has been exactly zero progress made in the field. I think it's akin to the perpetual motion machine. I wish it weren't so, but at this point it seems to be the case.

no, I'm sure that the human race will be able to harness fusion, but it's going to be awhile.

The magnetic control system required to manage and maintain such a fusion reaction is just beyond our present abilities at this time. But I believe that we'll be able to sometime in the future, but that future is just further in the future than we'd like to admit.
 
No, I don't think that batteries is going to do it. The transition from electrical to chemical storage, and it's conversion to electrical again has just far too many energy losses in heat. Batteries isn't going to be it.

Fusion and / or thorium reactions have have a chance to be that energy source.

But why are we discarding green house gas neutral fission?

All we really need to do is open Yucca mountain for the spent fuel disposal, and we have a well known, well understood and reliable electrical energy source.

Why are we being so stupid to eliminate this solution, and cause our problems to be greater?

That Yucca mountain stash is for my mass converters!
 
. You don't have clue what you are talking about...none. Who Fed you that dribble?
I know hundreds of Trump supporters and none of them fit your idiotic definition.

Where have you been?

There are entire threads bitching and moaning about the election being "rigged", how the media has created "lies", invented the women who have complained. This is right out of the Trump modus operendi. You may recall Trump claimed the primaries were "rigged" until he stared winning. His trolls never said a word about media bias when he was getting $3 billion in free publicity.

Trump several times bitched that the Television "Emies" are rigged because he didn't win.

And I think we're going to be hearing this whining for at least eight years
 
Where have you been?

There are entire threads bitching and moaning about the election being "rigged", how the media has created "lies", invented the women who have complained. This is right out of the Trump modus operendi. You may recall Trump claimed the primaries were "rigged" until he stared winning. His trolls never said a word about media bias when he was getting $3 billion in free publicity.

Trump several times bitched that the Television "Emies" are rigged because he didn't win.

And I think we're going to be hearing this whining for at least eight years

Trump is a real looser.
 
No, I don't think that batteries is going to do it. The transition from electrical to chemical storage, and it's conversion to electrical again has just far too many energy losses in heat. Batteries isn't going to be it.

Fusion and / or thorium reactions have have a chance to be that energy source.

But why are we discarding green house gas neutral fission?

All we really need to do is open Yucca mountain for the spent fuel disposal, and we have a well known, well understood and reliable electrical energy source.

Why are we being so stupid to eliminate this solution, and cause our problems to be greater?

I for one am baffled that yucca mountain was closed.

The concern about contaminating ground water? YUCCA MOUNTAIN IS IN A BLOODY DESERT! that was the whole point of choosing yucca mountain.

Concern over transportation of spent radioactive fuel? The containers that are designed to transport nuclear waste are pretty damn tough. The department of energy subjected them to tests involving rocket propelled locomotives hitting the container at 70 miles an hour.
 
I for one am baffled that yucca mountain was closed.

The concern about contaminating ground water? YUCCA MOUNTAIN IS IN A BLOODY DESERT! that was the whole point of choosing yucca mountain.

Concern over transportation of spent radioactive fuel? The containers that are designed to transport nuclear waste are pretty damn tough. The department of energy subjected them to tests involving rocket propelled locomotives hitting the container at 70 miles an hour.

I'm with you on this one. Seems like the ecomentalists are bound and determined to cast the human race back to the 1500's or something, and discarding well know, and well understood, greenhouse neutral energy solutions out of hand.

At the same time they also seem to want to discard fraking as a source of cleaner, better energy source at the same time. :screwy

They are going to have to give on something someplace, as wind, solar, and wave energy sources aren't even close to meeting the growing electrical demand.
 
Rather naive of you to believe that the biased, corrupt and colluding media didn't at least contribute to this.

Open you partisan blinders sometime and engage in some critical thought. It could only do you some good.

No, Actually I have followed and listened to Trump for DECADES! So I know he loves the media attention, even the bad boy attention. He use to brag about his bad boy persona.

You Sir are being naive. I've known about Mr. Trump looooong before this prez run of his. He's talked like this for years, he loves the publicity. The problem is the 'bad boy' publicity that he loved for years, and which did him so well in the GOP primaries is a determent in the general election.

It's all on him. And also his gullible supporters who thought that his big uncontrolled mouth, his tell it like it is style, his make fun of disabled people anti-PC BS would work with the Indy and moderate voters that HE HAD TO HAVE to win. It didn't work.

No one could shut him up. His own people BEGGED him to shut down. Instead he sat up all night tweeting insults at a F'ing beauty contestant. lol .... Nope, it's all on him. The media just reported his tantrums and school yard bully persona.
 
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