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‘What the hell do you have to lose?’

Redress said:
OK, that is just stupid on so many levels. From stupid comparisons of the military(hint: both the army and navy are far more capable currently than they where when you listed), to complaining about health care costs being up when they almost always go up, your list of complains is, well, stupid. But that is minor compared to the idea that we don't have nothing to lose. The US is the greatest country on Earth. We may not be the best in everything, but we are among the top in almost every possible area. What we could lose is considerable.

Let's look at some specifics. Trump calls for deporting millions of people. He also calls for reducing significantly government spending. Now, ask yourself what happens to an economy with fewer people in it, and fewer people of working age(remember, baby boomers are retiring), and with less money being pumped into it? The economy tends in those situations to get smaller. So unless other factors outweigh those(and nothing in Trump's economic plan would), growth would either slow or go negative. That is a significant loss.

Trump has called for tariffs and trade wars. What this means for Americans is more expensive products, and fewer export markets(hint: that is bad for jobs). Making things more expensive is bad for every one. That is a significant loss.

Trump's foreign policy could best be described as schizophrenic. Our allies will not be happy, our alliances even less so. We could lose basing rights in key countries if he tries to push through what he wants. The end result is far less influence in the world, less security, and less stability. That is a significant loss.

So to answer your question: what do we have to lose, the answer is a whole lot.
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But wait, there’s more.

Sure, the correct question to “What do you have to lose?” is always “Everything”. But let’s also see how good things are, besides the fact we are still the greatest military power on earth and the entire world looks to our economy on top of all others:

Obama started with the worst economy since the Great Depression. As of now, corporate profits as a % of GDP are the highest in our history. The effective corporate tax rate is the lowest since 1948. The highest annualized return on the S&P 500 since 1928 (I didn’t have history back to when it began in 1923). Unemployment has improved from 9.3% to 5.0%. The only problem is a big one, employee compensation as a % of GDP is the lowest since 1944, though wages have been inreasing. Hence the highest corp. profits. They’re not sharing.

So, besides what’s to lose with Trump, look what has been gained with Obama after we hit bottom, and stop denigrating how great we are as we are.
 
ISIS has grown from 700-800 to 25-30k

Our debt has nearly doubled.

This under the watch of the change of candidate they the majority wanted over Hillary.

Will things get better under Hillary?

YES OR NO?
 
Bucky said:
Our country is an absolute mess so I ask, what the hell do you have to lose voting in Donald J Trump As President?

  • Our national debt is nearly $20 trillion, nearly double what is was when Bush left office.
  • During Obama’s tenure, the percentage of black Americans struggling below the poverty line has advanced, according to the most recent Census Bureau data, from 25.8 in 2009 to 26.2 in 2014 — up 1.6 percent.
  • Our army is the smallest since 1940, our navy is the smallest since 1916.
  • The Obama administration has cut fewer nuclear warheads than any other previous administration.
  • Health care costs are higher than at anytime under Bush or Clinton.

So what do we have to lose when Hillary Clinton will likely exacerbate these numbers? FYI these are just a few items. There are many more. Americans are struggling left and right. Blacks are in a complete desperate state. America's status has completely diminished where China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc have no fear of the U.S anymore. ISIS has grown from 700-800 when Bush left office to 25,000-30,000 under Obama.

WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE?
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Mr. Trump would have had my unqualified social vote, if He had simply financed His own cruiser, and merely, "taken care of business" in the Middle East, and simply claim to be, the Capitalist of the Right.
 
Fishking said:
That's part of my point, and it doesn't look like Hillary is going to be doing anything but adding to that. So, again, stretched thin to accomplish the mission is going to continue, and possibly get worse.

Also, it still doesn't address current budgetary issues.
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I agree with your statement 100%. Do you think Trump's position is better? I think his position on the military has some emotional appeal, but his tax plan is very damaging to the budget. His comments about where the military needs to be expanded don't show much understanding of a modern military. We certainly don't need to be using our navy's size in WWI as a bench mark for anything.
 
vash1012 said:
I agree with your statement 100%. Do you think Trump's position is better? I think his position on the military has some emotional appeal, but his tax plan is very damaging to the budget. His comments about where the military needs to be expanded don't show much understanding of a modern military. We certainly don't need to be using our navy's size in WWI as a bench mark for anything.
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Trump is dumb on many levels here but, at this point, he's not the one that seems to want to ramp the Cold War back up and fight a bunch of proxy wars with Russia or worse.
 
Carjosse said:
Trump wants to explode the debt with his amazingly bad fiscal policies. It is predicted he will bring the US debt up to 120% of GDP, which as Kenny Loggins would put it is: "the Danger Zone."
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And tell us: how are Hillary's economic/fiscal ideas any better?


the US army may be comparatively small but it is also the best trained and well equipped by quite a large margin.
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Not lately:

May 2012: China fake parts 'used in US military equipment'
April 2016: Budget cuts leaving Marine Corps aircraft grounded
Sept. 2016: Military Jet Crashes on Rise: Training, Plane Issues Cited
 
Roadvirus said:
And tell us: how are Hillary's economic/fiscal ideas any better?




Not lately:

May 2012: China fake parts 'used in US military equipment'
April 2016: Budget cuts leaving Marine Corps aircraft grounded
Sept. 2016: Military Jet Crashes on Rise: Training, Plane Issues Cited
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Her plans would add to the debt but significantly less because Trump's cut would be rather devastating to the government's revenues. Here is a convenient video on it:


And that is nothing compared the incompetence that is the Chinese military which does not have a joint command at all, spends quite a large portion of its time and budget on propaganda, and spends most training time on brainwashing rather than actually teaching soldiers how to fight. They have been bale to replicate the parts but my guess is that they are rather low quality parts.
 
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Roadvirus said:
And tell us: how are Hillary's economic/fiscal ideas any better?




Not lately:

May 2012: China fake parts 'used in US military equipment'
April 2016: Budget cuts leaving Marine Corps aircraft grounded
Sept. 2016: Military Jet Crashes on Rise: Training, Plane Issues Cited
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The Democrats have 0 solutions.

You see the liberal posters in this thread:

Unable to explain how their candidate will lower the deficit

Unable to explain how ISIS expanded over 200% with Obama as President.

Trump has solutions. Hillary has excuses.
 
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