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The Price I’ve Paid for Opposing Donald Trump

Redress

Redress

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I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”

I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.

When we both publicized some of the racist attacks — I in National Review and Nancy in the Washington Post — things took a far more ominous turn. Late the next evening — while Nancy was, fortunately, offline attending a veterans’ charity event in D.C. — the darker quarters of the alt-right found her Patheos blog. Several different accounts began posting images and GIFs of extreme violence in her comments section.

Read more at: Donald Trump?s Alt-Right Supporters: Internet Abuse Must End | National Review
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This is not Trump's fault, this is not most of his followers, this is not left and right. This type of stuff has been going on well before Trump was ever a candidate. I used this story not to indict Trump or his supporters, but because it is a well written description of a problem that goes way beyond the election.

These are not people who can just stay off social media, as social media is a part of their jobs. This is not people being weak. No one is going to respond well to death threats, rape threats, racial insults and attacks of their family. And largely, this is not something we can legislate away, as free speech is kinda constitutionally protected.
 
Redress said:
This is not Trump's fault, this is not most of his followers, this is not left and right. This type of stuff has been going on well before Trump was ever a candidate. I used this story not to indict Trump or his supporters, but because it is a well written description of a problem that goes way beyond the election.

These are not people who can just stay off social media, as social media is a part of their jobs. This is not people being weak. No one is going to respond well to death threats, rape threats, racial insults and attacks of their family. And largely, this is not something we can legislate away, as free speech is kinda constitutionally protected.
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I would rather talk about the prohibition against speaking ones mind if those words dont conform to the script the little people have been handed by the elite.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I would rather talk about the prohibition against speaking ones mind if those words dont conform to the script the little people have been handed by the elite.
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Well then make a thread on that topic, since it has exactly nothing to do with this one.
 
I don't do Facebook, I don't do Twitter, I don't do Snapchat, or any other of the multitude of so called "social" media that is anything but social or civil. Swim with the sharks and you might get bitten. Stay on shore and enjoy the sunshine, worst you'll get is sand between your toes and a bit of a sunburn.

Life is what you make it - I have zero sympathy for the individual in this article. I do have sympathy for his/her daughter and the millions of other children whose images and lives are paraded for the world to see and dissect on social media without the slightest bit of concern for the child's health or safety.

Want to stop the scourge that is social media? Stop being a willing party to its destruction.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't do Facebook, I don't do Twitter, I don't do Snapchat, or any other of the multitude of so called "social" media that is anything but social or civil. Swim with the sharks and you might get bitten. Stay on shore and enjoy the sunshine, worst you'll get is sand between your toes and a bit of a sunburn.

Life is what you make it - I have zero sympathy for the individual in this article. I do have sympathy for his/her daughter and the millions of other children whose images and lives are paraded for the world to see and dissect on social media without the slightest bit of concern for the child's health or safety.

Want to stop the scourge that is social media? Stop being a willing party to its destruction.
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The guy who wrote the article, he has to do social media for his job. His wife, likewise. In fact, many jobs now have social media presence. Telling people "all you have to do to not get threats, get doxxed, get harassed is find a different line of work" is kinda a nonstarter. This is not to mention that most people do not abuse social media, they use it in a manner that is perfectly harmless.

Why are people so quick to put the onus on the victim?
 
Redress said:
This is not Trump's fault, this is not most of his followers, this is not left and right. This type of stuff has been going on well before Trump was ever a candidate. I used this story not to indict Trump or his supporters, but because it is a well written description of a problem that goes way beyond the election.

These are not people who can just stay off social media, as social media is a part of their jobs. This is not people being weak. No one is going to respond well to death threats, rape threats, racial insults and attacks of their family. And largely, this is not something we can legislate away, as free speech is kinda constitutionally protected.
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So, French is playing the victim. I thought he was better than that.
 
Redress said:
No one is excusing any one getting shot, why are you excusing and downplaying harassment?
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When did I excuse people saying mean things online? I'm merely pointing out that between getting shot and mean things being said online: one is significantly more dangerous than the other. Yet I guarantee you this "mean things said online" will get significantly more MSM play. So to review: downplaying? Yeah. Excusing? No. Why are you so desperate to use hyperbole?
 
LowDown said:
So, French is playing the victim. I thought he was better than that.
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So you are saying that this stuff was not done, or that somehow it is ok?
 
reinoe said:
When did I excuse people saying mean things online? I'm merely pointing out that between getting shot and mean things being said online: one is significantly more dangerous than the other. Yet I guarantee you this "mean things said online" will get significantly more MSM play. So to review: downplaying? Yeah. Excusing? No. Why are you so desperate to use hyperbole?
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You are the one who brought up some one who got shot in a thread about online harassment. Too late to blame others for hyperbole. Now, do you care to talk about the topic?
 
Redress said:
The guy who wrote the article, he has to do social media for his job. His wife, likewise. In fact, many jobs now have social media presence. Telling people "all you have to do to not get threats, get doxxed, get harassed is find a different line of work" is kinda a nonstarter. This is not to mention that most people do not abuse social media, they use it in a manner that is perfectly harmless.

Why are people so quick to put the onus on the victim?
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Why are you so quick to dismiss any responsibility the "victim" has? What job requires access to your child's photo? How does your child's photo get used if you don't put it up on the internet and provide access?

The only victim here is the innocent child - nobody else.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Why are you so quick to dismiss any responsibility the "victim" has? What job requires access to your child's photo? How does your child's photo get used if you don't put it up on the internet and provide access?

The only victim here is the innocent child - nobody else.
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So no one should use social media so they do not have to worry about harassment. And no one should drive so they can avoid being in an accident, and no one should own anything valuable to prevent theft, and the bitch deserved it...
 
...And so the victim mentality continues to mentally-castrate the collective willpower of the United States citizenry.
 
Redress said:
So you are saying that this stuff was not done, or that somehow it is ok?
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Neither. He's saying French is playing the "pity poor me" game. I wonder if when he and his wife adopted the little girl, a truly comendable act in my mind, he thought everyone in the U.S. or even every Democrat was going to praise him.

I've caught flack for not worshiping a president who hates America. I've been retired for fifteen years but some liberals insist on introducing me and saying, "...and he's a cop."

If he had supported Trump he would have caught hell for not being a Clintonista or a Berner. If he can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If he had a job teaching sociology at a university he would get as much flak.
 
Redress said:
So no one should use social media so they do not have to worry about harassment. And no one should drive so they can avoid being in an accident, and no one should own anything valuable to prevent theft, and the bitch deserved it...
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Emotional responses get you nowhere with me. I simply stated a very clear fact. If you are afraid of being harassed or treated in a way you don't appreciate, don't use social media or limit your use of social media to a circle of friends and acquaintances you trust and respect and whose company, in person and online, you enjoy.

And to be clear, the individual in question wasn't simply minding his own business, going about doing his job, etc. By his own admission, he posted an attack on Ann Coulter and her use of language, etc. If you want to talk about online abuse/harassment, why not mention this persons abuse/harassment of Ann Coulter? Of course, we all know that Ann Coulter is, actually, a bitch and a man and a whore and any number of other things, as per the "intellectuals" who frequent social media.

So yes, no sympathy for someone who throws the first stone and then gets pelted in return.
 
Redress said:
This is not Trump's fault, this is not most of his followers, this is not left and right. This type of stuff has been going on well before Trump was ever a candidate. I used this story not to indict Trump or his supporters, but because it is a well written description of a problem that goes way beyond the election.

These are not people who can just stay off social media, as social media is a part of their jobs. This is not people being weak. No one is going to respond well to death threats, rape threats, racial insults and attacks of their family. And largely, this is not something we can legislate away, as free speech is kinda constitutionally protected.
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You believe this story?
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't do Facebook, I don't do Twitter, I don't do Snapchat, or any other of the multitude of so called "social" media that is anything but social or civil. Swim with the sharks and you might get bitten. Stay on shore and enjoy the sunshine, worst you'll get is sand between your toes and a bit of a sunburn.

Life is what you make it - I have zero sympathy for the individual in this article. I do have sympathy for his/her daughter and the millions of other children whose images and lives are paraded for the world to see and dissect on social media without the slightest bit of concern for the child's health or safety.

Want to stop the scourge that is social media? Stop being a willing party to its destruction.
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The story in the OP did not tell us how these people got a picture of their daughter or how then even know they were raising a black child.
 
Redress said:
The guy who wrote the article, he has to do social media for his job. His wife, likewise. In fact, many jobs now have social media presence. Telling people "all you have to do to not get threats, get doxxed, get harassed is find a different line of work" is kinda a nonstarter. This is not to mention that most people do not abuse social media, they use it in a manner that is perfectly harmless.

Why are people so quick to put the onus on the victim?
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That doesn't explain how a picture of their daughter got into the wrong hands.
 
Mason66 said:
The story in the OP did not tell us how these people got a picture of their daughter or how then even know they were raising a black child.
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I've seen and heard 100s of stories of people who post up pictures of their children on Facebook and other social media sites and share them with their "contacts", many of whom the individual has no connection to and/or no knowledge of. There's no suggestion whatsoever that people on social media somehow stole a picture of his daughter so one has to assume it was easily accessible on the internet.

People foolishly give up their privacy today on a regular basis. Pics on Facebook have been used to identify children by name and image and then kidnap the child from their school because that information gives the child a sense of trust. Pics on Facebook have also been collected and used by pedophiles for personal pleasure and shared. These stories aren't new and yet people continue to freely and publicly post some of their most intimate information for the world to see.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I've seen and heard 100s of stories of people who post up pictures of their children on Facebook and other social media sites and share them with their "contacts", many of whom the individual has no connection to and/or no knowledge of. There's no suggestion whatsoever that people on social media somehow stole a picture of his daughter so one has to assume it was easily accessible on the internet.

People foolishly give up their privacy today on a regular basis. Pics on Facebook have been used to identify children by name and image and then kidnap the child from their school because that information gives the child a sense of trust. Pics on Facebook have also been collected and used by pedophiles for personal pleasure and shared. These stories aren't new and yet people continue to freely and publicly post some of their most intimate information for the world to see.
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I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would post a picture of their child on the internet.

It is an invitation for all kinds of bad stuff to happen.

I don't do that. I don't have my sons name on the out side of his back pack.

I don't put those stickers on the back of my car with his name under it.

As a resident of Mexico I am always worried about kidnapping and it is a shame that people live such quiet lives that they forget what the real dangers are.
 
Redress said:
This is not Trump's fault, this is not most of his followers, this is not left and right. This type of stuff has been going on well before Trump was ever a candidate. I used this story not to indict Trump or his supporters, but because it is a well written description of a problem that goes way beyond the election.

These are not people who can just stay off social media, as social media is a part of their jobs. This is not people being weak. No one is going to respond well to death threats, rape threats, racial insults and attacks of their family. And largely, this is not something we can legislate away, as free speech is kinda constitutionally protected.
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As I read the piece, I couldn't help thinking of the death threats issued by the left over a teen ager saying the family pizza business probably wouldn't catera gay wedding.

It appears extreme begets extreme on both sides.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't do Facebook, I don't do Twitter, I don't do Snapchat, or any other of the multitude of so called "social" media that is anything but social or civil. Swim with the sharks and you might get bitten. Stay on shore and enjoy the sunshine, worst you'll get is sand between your toes and a bit of a sunburn.

Life is what you make it - I have zero sympathy for the individual in this article. I do have sympathy for his/her daughter and the millions of other children whose images and lives are paraded for the world to see and dissect on social media without the slightest bit of concern for the child's health or safety.

Want to stop the scourge that is social media? Stop being a willing party to its destruction.
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Are you saying you approve of these tactics.

The concept of free speech doesn't resonate with the right at all. This is pure intimidation, right out of the Nazi song book.
 
Redress said:
This is not Trump's fault, this is not most of his followers, this is not left and right. This type of stuff has been going on well before Trump was ever a candidate. I used this story not to indict Trump or his supporters, but because it is a well written description of a problem that goes way beyond the election.

These are not people who can just stay off social media, as social media is a part of their jobs. This is not people being weak. No one is going to respond well to death threats, rape threats, racial insults and attacks of their family. And largely, this is not something we can legislate away, as free speech is kinda constitutionally protected.
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I'm smelling yet another hate crime hoax. David French has spent the last 4 months telling anyone who will listen, about all the "anonymous" hate he's received.

06/07/2016
David French: Trump campaign tried to intimidate me - POLITICO

He sounds like another hate crime hoaxer.

Considering the fact that 90% of journalists oppose Trump, and daily skewer him in the press, why has Mr Potato Head here been the only one to receive hate mail day after day?
 
reinoe said:
While the media is making a big deal about mean things being said on the internet...

Blacks are being shot for supporting Trump.

Tell me: which one can be potentially lethal: a mean thing said online or getting shot?
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Wow talk about completely missing the pint of the post and proving you are part of the problem. The OP's point is there are loony tunes out there and it goes way beyond the election, right or left or the a candidates followers. Its deeper than that it's simply about a sick element of society that is out there. They get attention and it pollutes the whole system but the attention they should get is how vile they are NOT who at the time they may or may not associate with or support.

For example and these are just EXAMPLES made up, its a bigger problem that the KKK exists than it is they like candidate A or went to candidate A's rally. It's a bigger problem that criminals flock to BLM and tarnished it those criminals exist than BLM exists. It's a bigger problem that racists flocked to TEA Party rallies and tarnished it and those racists exist than the Tea Party exists. THESE are the things that get over looked and they shouldn't, too much time is focused condemning the candidate, BLM or the Tea Party rather that the loony tunes.
 
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