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iguanaman said:
Trump is a breeze to decode. His whole life is an open book of self-gratification and self-glorification, greed and entitlement. All the wrong traits for a public servant in one horrible man.
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You just described Bill and Hillary to a tee! :lamo

What you left out on Trump ......but need to include with the Clintons....is the MASSIVE CRIMINALITY!

SOOOOO, YOU ARE ALL ABOUT SUPPORTING CRIMINALS?
 
MickeyW said:
A President has a huge amount of power, if he chooses to use it. Hillary will wield it like a juggernaut against all her political enemies, like gun groups, Conservative talk show hosts, police unions and police in general, the military. The last one being huge because the libtard elites like the Clintons want all the Power and hate the military because of it's power.

David Petraeus would have made an excellent President and the Clintonistas and the DNC knew it, so they had him taken out early on.
He was charged with the same thing as Hillary...and she skated because the FBI took a fall.
Trump does things within the scope of the law, as far as we can tell....Hillary doesn't! Hillary is an Evil Witch and voting against her is a no brainer!
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When the best attribute of your candidate is that they are not the competitor; your candidate sucks. I dont want to vote for "not Hillary" that is not a convincing argument. I would rather just write in my dog. Or what I will probably write in is NONE OF THE ABOVE! Nothing sticks it to the establishment more than not voting for any of them. And make no mistake Trump is part of the establishment; its good for his business. ANd his tactic of suing everyone that doesnt do what he says is a type of private sector big money intimidation. Screw with me and I will wreck you financially by suing your ass off. He fits in perfectly in Washington. ANd he would just waltz in and join in the corruption of our government by those with the money to do so.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It is also a point that has these last years been increasingly made, driven by the long and deep decline in American entrepreneurship.
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Also a great point. The rules and regulations constantly thrown at business start-ups make it discouraging and expensive to start a new business. Increasingly complex requirements from even the local level keep entrepreneurs from competing with established businesses. Never thought of it that way.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump is a breeze to decode. His whole life is an open book of self-gratification and self-glorification, greed and entitlement. All the wrong traits for a public servant in one horrible man.
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Perhaps you could list one or two things that Hillary has accomplished that would not fall into the self-gratification and/or self-glorification category?
 
MaggieD said:
Also a great point. The rules and regulations constantly thrown at business start-ups make it discouraging and expensive to start a new business. Increasingly complex requirements from even the local level keep entrepreneurs from competing with established businesses. Never thought of it that way.
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Now if only people could specifically point out which regulations are problematic.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Now if only people could specifically point out which regulations are problematic.
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Ever had to deal with your local building and zoning department? In far too many cities and towns, a simple upgrade to a larger commercial dishwasher for a restaurant, as an example, means a total electrical upgrade. Requiring a plumber who puts in a hot water tank to have a Master Plumber license, pull a permit and get a few inspections in process puts the little guy out of business. Complicated tax codes cost the small business owner thousands. Complicated licensing procedures, architectural drawings required for remodeling, poorly managed road construction blocking driveways and parking lots putting retail operations out of business....

I'm sure others could name dozens.
 
MaggieD said:
Also a great point. The rules and regulations constantly thrown at business start-ups make it discouraging and expensive to start a new business. Increasingly complex requirements from even the local level keep entrepreneurs from competing with established businesses. Never thought of it that way.
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Ya but we have always known this, I heard this argument 20 years ago, but we are hearing it a lot more now as what is considered collusion between corporate interests and the government became much more apparent with the reaction to the Great Recession......and as I said as entrepreneurship continues its massive decline in America. I use stronger language, I say that the corporate class has corrupted government and turned it against the citizens (thus the appeal of Trump). What we need to do is to take a page out of the New Deal and start busting up businesses (and nationalizing some I say) but there is no will to take the risk, because the new global economy generally allows the wealth holders to remove wealth from countries at will instantly. The claimed reason for allowing this was to enable businesses to be more productive, but the real reason was to remove from governments the power to manage the rich. I often talk about how this was motivated by a desire to remove from government the ability to tax the rich more than the rich are willing to be taxed, but it was also to remove from governments the ability to break up companies or much worse (from the viewpoint of the rich) nationalization of industries. Hell, till about a year ago the Obama Administration was willing to approve most every merger idea. Obama FINALLY I think has figured out what is going on, but the apparent fact that it took THE PROFESSOR 7 YEARS! to track with reality is alarming, though we know of course that all along the way the corporate class has been whispering sweet nothings in his ear.
 
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MaggieD said:
Ever had to deal with your local building and zoning department? In far too many cities and towns, a simple upgrade to a larger commercial dishwasher for a restaurant, as an example, means a total electrical upgrade. Requiring a plumber who puts in a hot water tank to have a Master Plumber license, pull a permit and get a few inspections in process puts the little guy out of business. Complicated tax codes cost the small business owner thousands. Complicated licensing procedures, architectural drawings required for remodeling, poorly managed road construction blocking driveways and parking lots putting retail operations out of business....

I'm sure others could name dozens.
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Road construction is not a regulation in a sense.

But the reason I ask this is that unless people point out specific regulations that are faulty, I can't help but assume that buissness's are againist regulations that are meant to enforce safety standards.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Road construction is not a regulation in a sense.

But the reason I ask this is that unless people point out specific regulations that are faulty, I can't help but assume that buissness's are againist regulations that are meant to enforce safety standards.
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Well, we disagree. I think AlbOwl nailed it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No argument. But I didn't mean to imply that Trump and his team aren't aware of the issues. It's just that they, and the GOP in general, tend to make explaining them so much more difficult than it has to be. Trump's incomplete sentences and the GOP inability to condense an issue into an interesting and easily understandable concept (okay sound bite) has cost them dearly.
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True, Trump does speak in incomplete sentences but only sometimes when we goes off teleprompter and gets overly emphatic.

The communication skills of politicians and other public figures is woefully inadequate. Have you ever heard some of the Celebutards from Hollyweird when they have to respond without a scripted response? :eek: Politicians are hardly much better than this, hence politicians that can effectively communicate with the electorate are lauded and applauded. Probably need more politicians that can effectively communicate, you have my agreement on that point.

AlbqOwl said:
We who have studied Hillary and her intentions for the USA and indeed for the world do understand, but the average voter out there simply isn't as focused as the rational people drawn to message boards. So if the MSM doesn't inform them and only provides mostly one point of view, the MSM can direct public perception and an election in any direction they want it to go.
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The MSM is in the tank and deep for Hillary. It's to the point where there is no distinction anymore between MSM and the Hillary campaign and it's corrupt political machine. And of course the DNC is in the middle of this corrupt orbit as well.

Considering all that, it's actually pretty surprising how far Trump has made it already. To note that his most recent speech on Washington DC ethics initiatives, should he be elected, is exactly the direction the country needs to go, IMHO.

True, many of the electorate would cheer such initiatives from a presidential candidate. All more the shame that most won't be hearing them, due to the MSM biased blackout.

If he doesn't make it to the White House, he's certainly fired the first shot across the bow from the electorate to the political elite and their biased MSM. All of which can only bring some good, if I'm a bit of an optimist.
 
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eohrnberger said:
True, Trump does speak in incomplete sentences but only sometimes when we goes off teleprompter and gets overly emphatic.

The communication skills of politicians and other public figures is woefully inadequate. Have you ever heard some of the Celebutards from Hollyweird when they have to respond without a scripted response? :eek: Politicians are hardly much better than this, hence politicians that can effectively communicate with the electorate are lauded and applauded. Probably need more politicians that can effectively communicate, you have my agreement on that point.



The MSM is in the tank and deep for Hillary. It's to the point where there is no distinction anymore between MSM and the Hillary campaign and it's corrupt political machine. And of course the DNC is in the middle of this corrupt orbit as well.

Considering all that, it's actually pretty surprising how far Trump has made it already. To note that his most recent speech on Washington DC ethics initiatives, should he be elected, is exactly the direction the country needs to go, IMHO.

True, many of the electorate would cheer such initiatives from a presidential candidate. All more the shame that most won't be hearing them, due to the MSM biased blackout.

If he doesn't make it to the White House, he's certainly fired the first shot across the bow from the electorate to the political elite and their biased MSM. All of which can only bring some good, if I'm a bit of an optimist.
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I have no argument with your assessment here.

But. . .

I have always used the tag line 'eternal optimist' but this election has pretty much squashed that point of view for me. I am not seeing the political elite learning a thing. They jump on the wagon that is most advantageous for THEM, but they have not shown me that they hear or understand the message we the electorate has been sending to them. And at this point I see them sabotaging Trump at every turn. Even if it costs them their lucrative committee assignments if they lose the House and/or the Senate, they are not willing to have the status quo shaken up. That would be the same status quo that allows them free rein to increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth at our expense regardless of who is in the White House. They strongly fear that Trump would shake that up while they are confident that Hillary will not.

If by some miracle or other divine providence Trump wins this election, I will believe that the people are still able to accomplish good over evil. But if not. . .I am afraid I find little to be optimistic about.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I have no argument with your assessment here.

But. . .

I have always used the tag line 'eternal optimist' but this election has pretty much squashed that point of view for me. I am not seeing the political elite learning a thing. They jump on the wagon that is most advantageous for THEM, but they have not shown me that they hear or understand the message we the electorate has been sending to them. And at this point I see them sabotaging Trump at every turn. Even if it costs them their lucrative committee assignments if they lose the House and/or the Senate, they are not willing to have the status quo shaken up. That would be the same status quo that allows them free rein to increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth at our expense regardless of who is in the White House. They strongly fear that Trump would shake that up while they are confident that Hillary will not.

If by some miracle or other divine providence Trump wins this election, I will believe that the people are still able to accomplish good over evil. But if not. . .I am afraid I find little to be optimistic about.
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I'm sorry that you've turned down hearted as to this election. I can certainly understand and appreciate your perspective on this, and I don't blame you.

As to how the political elite respond to these developments, we'll have to wait and see what they end up doing. It think it a wave of change that they can't avoid dealing with. Agreed that they fear Trump, as a threat to them, but they have their resources to try and thwart him, although not completely, and in this, I suppose I see some daylight there for over all positive progress.

Should Hillary win, yes, I think for the nation it'll be a set back, but don't you think that in the end, that'll only be a temporary one?
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm sorry that you've turned down hearted as to this election. I can certainly understand and appreciate your perspective on this, and I don't blame you.

As to how the political elite respond to these developments, we'll have to wait and see what they end up doing. It think it a wave of change that they can't avoid dealing with. Agreed that they fear Trump, as a threat to them, but they have their resources to try and thwart him, although not completely, and in this, I suppose I see some daylight there for over all positive progress.

Should Hillary win, yes, I think for the nation it'll be a set back, but don't you think that in the end, that'll only be a temporary one?
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If it were not for the Supreme Court I think a set back would be temporary. In fact a Hillary Presidency could be the final nail in the coffin of completely unacceptable and even reprehensible government policy that is contrary to the best interests of the people they are supposed to serve and we would start electing common sense representatives again. But with the next President likely appointing two or three Supreme Court justices, to lose the court to unbridled liberalism of the worst sort cannot be undone by a divided Congress or whomever is in the White House. And if we lose the Court, there is no restraint on a bad government left to us for decades, perhaps a generation, perhaps ever.
 
MickeyW said:
I didn't write this, but I fully agree with it.
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Millions of Trump supporters feel this way about Donald J. Trump. "We don't care if the guy swears or how many times he's been married or who he voted for, or what his income tax return shows. We want the problems fixed. Yes he's an egomaniac, but we don't care. We know he's not a racist, or bad to women, or all the other things the liberal media is trying to label him with. We know he's raised a good family, and that says a lot about him.

The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republican Party is two faced & gutless, and illegals are everywhere and Muslims are openly trying to hurt this country and make the civilized world adjust to them. We want it all fixed!

We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he has changed positions, we don't care that he fights with Megan Kelly, Rosie O'Donnell, and so many of the elected establishment.

We don't care that Romney, and the Bush family, and so many other top old and new Republicans refuse to endorse him for their own selfish reasons, and we know what they are. We don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorists, we don't care that he tried some businesses that didn't work out.

This country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims, where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in, AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED. And TRUMP is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.

We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic and Republican Party. We're angry about the Iran deal, the budget, treatment of Israel, military weakness, lobbyists, special interests, overpaid politicians with their self-serving bills and back room deals, trade deals, loss of jobs, manipulated economic numbers, businesses fleeing, and even the phoney pay for play Clinton Foundation.

Americans are no longer going to be fooled, and the movement is out to change the direction we're taking. Trump may not be a saint, but he doesn't have lobbyist money holding him, he doesn't have political correctness restraining him, and all you know is that he has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, he's flexible, and he's also not a politician. And he says he'll fix it. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.

Public service has become elected greed. This may be our only chance to have a non-politician, despite his flaws, try and correct the mess, at least for 4 years.

We must take the shot, because the consequences of putting Hillary Clinton in office are frightening.

There is a tidal wave happening, and it’s going to overcome much of what's happened to this country.
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Come back and tell us all about it after Trump and the Alt-Right get their butts handed to them in the election.

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shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about it after Trump and the Alt-Right get their butts handed to them in the election.

:lol:
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Sometimes one loses a battle yet wins the war.

The fact that the country has risen up to challenge the elite is in itself a great victory for the nation.
 
MickeyW said:
You just described Bill and Hillary to a tee! :lamo

What you left out on Trump ......but need to include with the Clintons....is the MASSIVE CRIMINALITY!

SOOOOO, YOU ARE ALL ABOUT SUPPORTING CRIMINALS?
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NO.In America criminals are convicted of something, Hillary was not. I also don't put public service in the category of self gratification but that's just me. You Govt. haters want a self-fulfilling fantasy and Trump is your man. No one will discredit Democracy and Govt. as much as electing him would. Luckily all of us don't feel like you do or America would not have lasted more than a few decades.
 
shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about it after Trump and the Alt-Right get their butts handed to them in the election.

:lol:
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I'll be saying if forever......a Hillary win, will not silence me....just make me more angry that she is even allowed to be in this race.
 
iguanaman said:
NO.In America criminals are convicted of something, Hillary was not. I also don't put public service in the category of self gratification but that's just me. You Govt. haters want a self-fulfilling fantasy and Trump is your man. No one will discredit Democracy and Govt. as much as electing him would. Luckily all of us don't feel like you do or America would not have lasted more than a few decades.
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The people like you now, are fine with being butt ****ed by the government at every turn. In days gone by, righteous people wouldn't stand for this FBI/DOJ charade .....and violation of many laws.
Public Service is a joke....it's all about self gratification!

So many Congressmen/women, own homes out of their own states, or this country, and spend a lot of time there. One in my district, who has been gratifying himself for 27 years, owns two homes in New Zealand, in which you have to bribe the government there, to allow you to buy property.
They are all millionaires. Don't insult my intelligence in saying that they are not gratifying themselves. They are sluts and whores.
Hillary Clinton is the biggest slut of all....a multimillionaire elitist, who doesn't give a Tinker's Damn about you ...or me!
 
MaggieD said:
Also a great point. The rules and regulations constantly thrown at business start-ups make it discouraging and expensive to start a new business. Increasingly complex requirements from even the local level keep entrepreneurs from competing with established businesses. Never thought of it that way.
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what new rules and regulations now exist that did not previously, which rules/regulations inhibit the establishment of new enterprises?

share with us exactly why it is new rules and regulations and not the loss of demand that resulted from the great recession

share with us exactly why it is new rules and regulations and not the loss of equity in homes, which historically was used to collateralize start-up loans

share with us exactly why it is new rules and regulations and not the fed now being more critical of start-up loans by regional banks even tho it was the international banks that caused the financial meltdown

share with us why it was new rules and regulations instead of those logical explanations
 
MickeyW said:
I'll be saying if forever......a Hillary win, will not silence me....just make me more angry that she is even allowed to be in this race.
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Oh, joy, more anger.

I hope it can keep up with your fear.
 
beefheart said:
Oh, joy, more anger.

I hope it can keep up with your fear.
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I have no fear, only abundant expectencies..... ;)

liberals don't have the God given intelligence, to make them see what a fraud the FBI is today.

If you aren't livid by the miscarriage of justice perpetrated by the FBI and the DOJ. I'd say there might be something wrong with you. :screwy
 
justabubba said:
what new rules and regulations now exist that did not previously, which rules/regulations inhibit the establishment of new enterprises?

share with us exactly why it is new rules and regulations and not the loss of demand that resulted from the great recession

share with us exactly why it is new rules and regulations and not the loss of equity in homes, which historically was used to collateralize start-up loans

share with us exactly why it is new rules and regulations and not the fed now being more critical of start-up loans by regional banks even tho it was the international banks that caused the financial meltdown

share with us why it was new rules and regulations instead of those logical explanations
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You're looking at recent history. I'm looking at when I started my own business many years ago. I chose a name, had stationary printed and opened the doors after I rented the space. Now, you'd better go to Legal Zoom and get your paperwork in order. Now I could do that just fine, but the plumber who fixes my sinks? He's probably under the radar and screwed. Then, of course, there would be the business license. From the town. From the state. Then, God forbid, your business is in the trades or food. Licenses, inspectio. Then. Of course, in order to satisfy the IRS, you're going to be paying a professional, even with a new small tiny business, prolly a grand to do your taxes.

A plumber who wants to fix drains, hook up faucets? Better have a Master Plumber License since you're going to have to get a building permit to do that work thru the town involved. And post a bond. And submit drawings. Want to clean people's houses? Sorry, but you're going to have to set up your own business, pay over 12% SS, pay workers' compensation, get liability insurance, yada yada yada. Want to babysit? Same deal. Want a lemonade stand? Same deal except your kids will have o get inspected by the health department in your town.

I'm not talking eight years ago. I, talking 20 or 30 years ago. Life has become so damned complicated, it's almost impossible... especially for those who are less educated than others. Damn shame.
 
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The statute that was used to judge HRC’s actions, makes it a criminal felony violation to mishandle classified information intentionally OR with gross negligence. Director Comey stated that HRC acted with “extreme carelessness” in the handling of classified info. Extreme Carelessness is Gross Negligence. She violated this statute which Congress, not Director Comey created. As an executive branch member, he has no authority to ignore the express language of a statute created by Congress. His mission is to follow the law, not abolish congressional statutory language that he does not like. He decided to arbitrarily modify the statute by de facto elimination of the “Gross Negligence portion of the statute. By doing so, he acted outside the scope of his authority.

I was never involved in or even heard of an investigation which ignored evidence of “other crimes” uncovered while investigating the original crime under investigation.` But in this case, the FBI began by investigating mishandling of classified info on a private email system – then recovered thousands of emails that HRC and her team destroyed (recovered from recipients' computers). Some of those emails disclosed that certain donors to the Clinton Foundation gave huge amounts of money to the Foundation and in return rec’d meetings with HRC at the State Dept. Many of the donors were from Foreign Countries. While access alone is not criminal, it provides a “Reasonable Indication” (which is sufficient to open a new investigation under DOJ Guidelines,) into the likelihood of Quid Pro Quo/Bribery.

No one donates thousands/millions of dollars to a Private Foundation for a meeting with the Secretary of State to talk about the NFL football season/ or the weather forecast. What deals were made or discussed in those meetings? The FBI had blinders on and refused to widen the investigation when there was clear probable cause to do so. In my career, if we started with a stolen property case and it lead to drugs, guns and murder, we expanded to include all the new crimes. It is unprecedented that it did not happen with the HRC investigation. This is wrong. I don’t know whether DOJ ordered the FBI to ignore other avenues of investigation or whether the Bureau restricted itself to ignore these obvious avenues of inquiry.

Hillary is as guilty as sin itself....and the obama regime DOJm swept it under the rug.
 
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MaggieD said:
You're looking at recent history. I'm looking at when I started my own business many years ago. I chose a name, had stationary printed and opened the doors after I rented the space. Now, you'd better go to Legal Zoom and get your paperwork in order. Now I could do that just fine, but the plumber who fixes my sinks? He's probably under the radar and screwed. Then, of course, there would be the business license. From the town. From the state. Then, God forbid, your business is in the trades or food. Licenses, inspectio. Then. Of course, in order to satisfy the IRS, you're going to be paying a professional, even with a new small tiny business, prolly a grand to do your taxes.

A plumber who wants to fix drains, hook up faucets? Better have a Master Plumber License since you're going to have to get a building permit to do that work thru the town involved. And post a bond. And submit drawings. Want to clean people's houses? Sorry, but you're going to have to set up your own business, pay over 12% SS, pay workers' compensation, get liability insurance, yada yada yada. Want to babysit? Same deal. Want a lemonade stand? Same deal except your kids will have o get inspected by the health department in your town.

I'm not talking eight years ago. I, talking 20 or 30 years ago. Life has become so damned complicated, it's almost impossible... especially for those who are less educated than others. Damn shame.
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A very good post Maggie. :applaud
 
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