I'm not a liberal, conservative, moderate or libertarian - I'm a rationalist

Conservative emotionalism/morality such as nationalism and religious fundamentalism have lead to countless conflicts, death and economic stagnation throughout history. Liberal emotionalism/morality such as tolerance and inclusiveness are leading to conflict, death and economic stagnation in Western countries such as Sweden and France - who are lettering hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Middle East and Africa into their countries, many of whom are violent and do not share the Western values of freedom and democracy. I disregard all emotionalism/morality when it comes to politics. I believe that focusing only on facts and data will lead to better policy decisions that will help advance society.

I'll take "Word Salad" for $300 Alex.

azgreg said:

I'll take "Word Salad" for $300 Alex.

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Viking11 said:

Conservative emotionalism/morality such as nationalism and religious fundamentalism have lead to countless conflicts, death and economic stagnation throughout history. Liberal emotionalism/morality such as tolerance and inclusiveness are leading to conflict, death and economic stagnation in Western countries such as Sweden and France - who are lettering hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Middle East and Africa into their countries, many of whom are violent and do not share the Western values of freedom and democracy. I disregard all emotionalism/morality when it comes to politics. I believe that focusing only on facts and data will lead to better policy decisions that will help advance society.

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I'm reading this like:

WTF was that?

Dang I was already confused enough before I read that, whatever it was.

Note to self: be more careful what you read, it can lead to lost minutes you will never get back.

Viking11 said:

Conservative emotionalism/morality such as nationalism and religious fundamentalism have lead to countless conflicts, death and economic stagnation throughout history. Liberal emotionalism/morality such as tolerance and inclusiveness are leading to conflict, death and economic stagnation in Western countries such as Sweden and France - who are lettering hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Middle East and Africa into their countries, many of whom are violent and do not share the Western values of freedom and democracy. I disregard all emotionalism/morality when it comes to politics. I believe that focusing only on facts and data will lead to better policy decisions that will help advance society.

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I generally agree that emotional considerations should lose out to pragmatic concerns though I wouldn't necessarily call emotional considerations inherently irrational. We do have to live this life and if something makes it more bearable by reducing general anxiety then that's a real benefit. And what you consider rational, I might disagree with completely. Your stance on humanitarian refugee acceptance I don't think is rational because you are misweighting a possible but small risk of generally small scale death and destruction vs the much larger risk of loss of life in the actual refugees who will undoubtedly die or languish in camps until they are useless without assistance. Europe has accepted millions of migrants and how many people have died as a result of violence from them? A few hundred maybe? Isn't your supposedly rational view rooted in nationalistic considerations of the value of us vs them rather than the more rational value of human life itself? Is human life having an inherent value even rational to begin with?

Point being, the principal of a view point being rational doesn't make it "right" necessarily. A rational view point is one that is logically consistent with the viewer's value judgments. I agree that Republican view points and Democratic view points are not logically consistent , though I do think Democratic view points are MORE logically consistent since the Right adopted the values of military strength and evangelical morals to go with their claims of small government. The actions of Democratic politicians AREN'T more logically consistent but at least their stated view points are.