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The Collapse of Obamacare in North Carolina

It would be helpful if you mentioned why Republicans are wrong about all that. Republicans are certainly right about Social Security and Medicare. They are headed for insolvency.

Yes, Republicans keep telling you NO. And they are right to do so.

Being the party of NO doesn't help a country grow.

Hey, I'm a poet and didn't know it.

They are dead wrong on Social Security & Medicare. SS - one of the most successful programs ever passed by the U S government. It set out to significantly decrease the seniors who were living in poverty, and it has done exactly that. There was a time when most seniors were living in poverty, despite having worked a lifetime. The Medicare helped with the enormous cost of health care.

These things are good and the right thing to do, and have been successful.

We should not stop these things and watch seniors dive into poverty once again, while giving a pass for taxes to people like Trump and companies like Exxon and GE.

When the Republicans start harping on charity we give to the wealthy, then we'll talk. Until then..no, we're not gonna put grandma on cat food.
 
if they don't privatize it before i can collect, i suppose that i'll find out.

You would fare better if they did privatize it. As a matter of fact, it is already partially privatized. You have to buy a supplemental private policy to make it perform as well as private insurance.
 
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i hope that your experience with medicare is better than you fear it will be. i hope my experience with medicare happens at all.


I am not impressed by the charts and graphs comparing how much more we spend on healthcare then other nations. Other nations do not deal with many of the issues we have here that inflate the actual cost of providing healthcare, such as massive frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits, ambulance chasing attorneys, over-regulation, over 300 million population, etc. As for my experience with Medicare, while I will sign up for it, my participation will be minimal. I will still have VA Healthcare to fall back on and will not need the supplemental insurance.
 
Many health care providers can afford to take some Medicare and CHIPS patients but cannot survive exclusively on those "lower return" patients. The clinic that I use will accept current patients that later transfer (transition?) to Medicare but will not accept any new Medicare patients.

Fortunately, I will not have to depend on Medicare. I will likely continue to use VA Healthcare, as I have done since that idiotic Obamacare bill passed and kicked me off of my private insurance policy.
 
Being the party of NO doesn't help a country grow.

Hey, I'm a poet and didn't know it.

They are dead wrong on Social Security & Medicare. SS - one of the most successful programs ever passed by the U S government. It set out to significantly decrease the seniors who were living in poverty, and it has done exactly that. There was a time when most seniors were living in poverty, despite having worked a lifetime. The Medicare helped with the enormous cost of health care..

Instead of boring us with the democrat party line, how about employing a bit of intellectual honesty. Having retirement income for Seniors was never a bad idea, however it should never have been done by force. And it is a bit silly for you to declare SS and Medicare as one of the most successful programs ever passed by the US Government. At least since the 1960s it had been held together by bandaid fixes (figure of speech) and always under the threat of the politicians lowering the benefits or raising the retirement age in weak attempts to rescue it before it goes bankrupt. As it is now, social security checks are backed up by little more then IOUs due to the politicians pilfering the trust funds for the sake of pork barrel spending. Personally if I had been given the choice when I first entered the job market, I would have forgone SS and medicare and went with privately run financial and medical retirement plans. I simply do not trust the government to run these types of programs.

These things are good and the right thing to do, and have been successful.

We should not stop these things and watch seniors dive into poverty once again, while giving a pass for taxes to people like Trump and companies like Exxon and GE.

Do you seriously think there are not seniors still living in poverty? Social Security is not much of a living. A private plan would have much higher returns.

When the Republicans start harping on charity we give to the wealthy, then we'll talk. Until then..no, we're not gonna put grandma on cat food.

It is actually the establishment politicians in both major parties that has given to the wealthy. And the democrat party has done the majority of that. If Hillary's speechs to Wall Street bankers ever becomes completely public, you will understand.
 
Fortunately, I will not have to depend on Medicare. I will likely continue to use VA Healthcare, as I have done since that idiotic Obamacare bill passed and kicked me off of my private insurance policy.

Both my father and one of my younger brothers use VA care and it seems to be adequate for their needs. I have a little over 2 years before I hit 65.
 
Instead of boring us with the democrat party line, how about employing a bit of intellectual honesty. Having retirement income for Seniors was never a bad idea, however it should never have been done by force. And it is a bit silly for you to declare SS and Medicare as one of the most successful programs ever passed by the US Government. At least since the 1960s it had been held together by bandaid fixes (figure of speech) and always under the threat of the politicians lowering the benefits or raising the retirement age in weak attempts to rescue it before it goes bankrupt. As it is now, social security checks are backed up by little more then IOUs due to the politicians pilfering the trust funds for the sake of pork barrel spending. Personally if I had been given the choice when I first entered the job market, I would have forgone SS and medicare and went with privately run financial and medical retirement plans. I simply do not trust the government to run these types of programs.



Do you seriously think there are not seniors still living in poverty? Social Security is not much of a living. A private plan would have much higher returns.



It is actually the establishment politicians in both major parties that has given to the wealthy. And the democrat party has done the majority of that. If Hillary's speechs to Wall Street bankers ever becomes completely public, you will understand.

1. I am not a Democrat.

2. I didn't say Medicare is one of the most successful programs. I said Social Security is. And it is. It was designed to do something in particular, and it succeeded. It has to be done in a pool, with all workers being contributors (except for those who participate in another govt program), because that's what makes it work. First, if it were optional, then those who end up needing it the most probably wouldn't participate because they have little expendable income. Then they would end up in poverty in their senior years, exactly what Social Security was designed to prevent. The program also needs the contributions from the employers.

Social Security also works because it benefits from the scale of operation. One account, one pool. The program is simpler to manage, and the fees are lower. There also is no profit in it to the extent that 401ks have. So most of the money goes directly into the pool.

I understand your typical Republican "I don't wanna hep nobody! Mine is mine, and it stays mine!" No one is taking money from you. You will get your Social Security benefits, like everyone else. If you contributed more, you get more in benefits.

It's a good program that does what it was designed to do, and it was designed to do a very good thing. It also doesn't take anything from any citizen w/o giving it back. It's a fair program.

Don't forget that because of our wage patterns in this country, many women were underpaid, earning pennies on the dollar that men did. This has a huge effect on their Social Security benefits. Which you would like to see ripped out from under them. Without SS, almost half of the senior women in the U.S. would fall below the poverty line (which is less than $12,000/yr).

Before Social Security, the majority of seniors were living in poverty. Now, only about 9% do. Social Security has been wildly successful. There was a problem. Our leaders got together, at the request of the citizens, and devised a plan to solve it. Their initial plan has been tweaked a few times, as most plans are, but it has been working for almost a century.
 
You would fare better if they did privatize it. As a matter of fact, it is already partially privatized. You have to buy a supplemental private policy to make it perform as well as private insurance.

you already know my opinion about this.
 
I am not impressed by the charts and graphs comparing how much more we spend on healthcare then other nations. Other nations do not deal with many of the issues we have here that inflate the actual cost of providing healthcare, such as massive frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits, ambulance chasing attorneys, over-regulation, over 300 million population, etc. As for my experience with Medicare, while I will sign up for it, my participation will be minimal. I will still have VA Healthcare to fall back on and will not need the supplemental insurance.

well, let me know what you think about it when you're fully enrolled. some of my family is retired, and they are pretty satisfied with Medicare. of course, it's all anecdotal evidence, but this is a message board, and we talk about things, so it's all data.
 
Both my father and one of my younger brothers use VA care and it seems to be adequate for their needs. I have a little over 2 years before I hit 65.

I also reach 65 in two years. VA Healthcare obviously has many problems that have hit the news, however in my region it has been okay, though I have not had to use it on an emergency basis yet. And the VA hospital is 45 minutes away in another state. In any case, it is in my case better then medicare and will keep me from having to sign up for medicare part D
 
1. I am not a Democrat.

2. I didn't say Medicare is one of the most successful programs. I said Social Security is. And it is. It was designed to do something in particular, and it succeeded. It has to be done in a pool, with all workers being contributors (except for those who participate in another govt program), because that's what makes it work. First, if it were optional, then those who end up needing it the most probably wouldn't participate because they have little expendable income. Then they would end up in poverty in their senior years, exactly what Social Security was designed to prevent. The program also needs the contributions from the employers..

If we have to force people to contribute to their own retirement, we should at least offer them the option of choosing between SS and a private plan. There is no question that the same amount of financial contributions would bring greater returns at retirement time.

Social Security also works because it benefits from the scale of operation. One account, one pool. The program is simpler to manage, and the fees are lower. There also is no profit in it to the extent that 401ks have. So most of the money goes directly into the pool.

If the program had remained managed as it initially was, you might have a point. It hasn't, therefore you do not. The so-called pool has been pilfered by Congress since the 1960s.

I understand your typical Republican "I don't wanna hep nobody! Mine is mine, and it stays mine!" No one is taking money from you. You will get your Social Security benefits, like everyone else. If you contributed more, you get more in benefits.

First, I am not a republican. I am a conservative independent. And you can stop the nonsensical "I hanna help nobody" line. It makes you look like a partisan democrat even though you claim not to be. In my opinion, we would be helping future retirees by privatizing or at least partially privatizing social security. And yes, I will probably get my social security benefits as I am just three years from retirement, however if the system keeps going the way it has, the millennials and generation Xers may never see it.

It's a good program that does what it was designed to do, and it was designed to do a very good thing. It also doesn't take anything from any citizen w/o giving it back. It's a fair program.

Baloney. Every time the politicians propose their bandaid fixes to keep the system solvent, the so-called solutions include raising the retirement age, lowering the benefits, or imposing means tests. And benefits are now taxed where they were not initially.

Don't forget that because of our wage patterns in this country, many women were underpaid, earning pennies on the dollar that men did. This has a huge effect on their Social Security benefits. Which you would like to see ripped out from under them. Without SS, almost half of the senior women in the U.S. would fall below the poverty line (which is less than $12,000/yr).

While I am against forcing any financial program on anyone, I have not suggested abolishing SS. I have only suggested that as long as they are forced to contribute to their own retirement, they should be given the option of private plans.

Before Social Security, the majority of seniors were living in poverty. Now, only about 9% do.

Sorry. I do not take the 9% figure seriously, considering the welfare rolls are up to somewhere between 45 and 50 million Americans.

Social Security has been wildly successful. There was a problem. Our leaders got together, at the request of the citizens, and devised a plan to solve it. Their initial plan has been tweaked a few times, as most plans are, but it has been working for almost a century.

Again, how about a bit of intellectual dishonesty? To suggest that SS has been wildly successful is asinine. And while many bandaid fixes have been applied, it has not been solved. It has survived, however that survival is still hanging by a thread. And it is not fair to keep proposing fixes that lower the benefits or raise the retirement age. The biggest problem is that the politicians cannot keep their slimy hands out of the SS trust funds. That is what any proposed solution should address. If they cannot do that, they should start offering private plans. I simply do not trust the US Government with my SS contributions.
 
you already know my opinion about this.

And while I disagree with your opinion, I respect it. However the question regarding where you get your faith in the US Government running universal medicare despite the fact that they can barely hold medicare together for seniors, has never been directly answered.
 
Being the party of NO doesn't help a country grow.

Hey, I'm a poet and didn't know it.

They are dead wrong on Social Security & Medicare. SS - one of the most successful programs ever passed by the U S government. It set out to significantly decrease the seniors who were living in poverty, and it has done exactly that. There was a time when most seniors were living in poverty, despite having worked a lifetime.
You will soon need to switch social security into the past tense (was one of....). Demographically and cash intake to benefits wise, the program is already dead. Creative accounting has only given it the appereance of viability.

No amount of "soaking the rich" can save social security given it's imbalances. Even more troubling is that the Democrat's definition of "rich" is increasingly: Rich person (n) Someone having more than most of my supporters is rich. Rich people can be compelled to pay for "A", "B" and "C"... .

For example, Obama, desperate for cash, once floated the idea of a 45% tax on inherited wealth over 1 million. Hillary currently sets the figure at 3.5 million. Though I can acknowledge that SS (not the Nazi type- get it, get it) has been very valuable and contributed to the stability of the nation, the program is no longer viable and no amount of hitting up the rich, followed by the "rich", is going to save it.
 
well, let me know what you think about it when you're fully enrolled. some of my family is retired, and they are pretty satisfied with Medicare. of course, it's all anecdotal evidence, but this is a message board, and we talk about things, so it's all data.

Until then, I can only do as you have done, which is go by my family experiances, which are not universally good. My late mother was a COPD patient. While most of the medical procedures and hospital stays were covered at some level, she was still left with enormous medical bills. And when it came to prescriptions, even with medicare, she had to spend around $500 per month on prescriptions, which made it difficult to pay the mortgage and utility bills. She eventually did get some relief from the programs the pharmaceutical companies ran, and more when Bush(W) passed that prescription drug bill creating that "advantage" program, however that was mostly trashed when Obamacare passed.
 
And while I disagree with your opinion, I respect it. However the question regarding where you get your faith in the US Government running universal medicare despite the fact that they can barely hold medicare together for seniors, has never been directly answered.

sure it has. look at the rest of the first world. same or better outcomes in most cases; fraction of the price. throwing our old people back to the for profit middlemen, though? yeah, they can make a buck on supplemental insurance, but the whole shebang? not really. as we get older, we are probably 99 percent guaranteed to need extensive and expensive care. the for profit insurance industry not only has to demonstrate growth to investors, but also has turn a tidy profit. they'll do that by charging all of us even more like they have done every year since i started working. **** that. put all basic care on on public option, and then use that entity to put negative pressure on prices.
 
sure it has. look at the rest of the first world. same or better outcomes in most cases; fraction of the price. throwing our old people back to the for profit middlemen, though? yeah, they can make a buck on supplemental insurance, but the whole shebang? not really. as we get older, we are probably 99 percent guaranteed to need extensive and expensive care. the for profit insurance industry not only has to demonstrate growth to investors, but also has turn a tidy profit. they'll do that by charging all of us even more like they have done every year since i started working. **** that. put all basic care on on public option, and then use that entity to put negative pressure on prices.

You are missing my point. For the sake of my point, ignore all other nations. The USA already has a form of single payer. It's known as Medicare. And it's hanging by a thread just as Social Security is. the way it has been run and it's financial state would make it bankrupt as a private plan. the government has done an extremely poor job running it. And at this point it is only an option for seniors. Considering how poorly it has been managed at it's current level of only covering seniors, where do you come up with your apparent faith that the government can suddenly clean up it's act and efficiently run a Medicare system that covers virtually every American citizen? It's kind of like appointing a small businessman who can barely make ends meet as CEO of Boeing Aircraft Company.
 
You are missing my point. For the sake of my point, ignore all other nations. The USA already has a form of single payer. It's known as Medicare. And it's hanging by a thread just as Social Security is. the way it has been run and it's financial state would make it bankrupt as a private plan. the government has done an extremely poor job running it. And at this point it is only an option for seniors. Considering how poorly it has been managed at it's current level of only covering seniors, where do you come up with your apparent faith that the government can suddenly clean up it's act and efficiently run a Medicare system that covers virtually every American citizen? It's kind of like appointing a small businessman who can barely make ends meet as CEO of Boeing Aircraft Company.

how can i ignore the data and pretend that America is some anomaly which can't achieve the same results as other first world nations?
 
how can i ignore the data and pretend that America is some anomaly which can't achieve the same results as other first world nations?

All we have is our governments track record to go on. they have mishandled nearly from the beginning. And there is also the fact that what works in other nations does not necessarily work here. Those other nations do not have a population of over 300 million, or runaway frivolous medical malpractice suits, etc.
 
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