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The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

Unitedwestand13 said:
I don't think people should be reading podesta's private emails in the first place.

Or does John podesta have no right to privacy?
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As a person of public interest? Where grave questions central to our body politic are at stake? Absolutely not.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But Wikileaks is not being careful with its disclosures. it fires away disclosures completely unredacted and with no context.
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As a disclaimer I've never, ever held respect for Wikileaks. Ever since they freely accepted information gleaned from hacks that resulted in credit card fraud for countless innocent civilians, I have held Assange in contempt.

That being said, occasionally these emails will nevertheless reveal something quite damaging that is in the public interest that I wouldn't blame journalistic outfits from publishing and investigating further.

But then again, I find that quite troubling, as it is a bit more than obvious that Assange is doing it for a crusade against a specific Democratic Party candidate in order to fuel his left-wing populistic digital anarchism.
 
Chomsky said:
The bolded is well said!
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Of course, the $ 15 is somewhat stupid as it is. Unless we want to knock off a few more jobs and reduce general welfare in our country a little again.
 
chuckiechan said:
While all of what you say is true, the corporations making the lists are the ones buying the influence either directly through contributions or through the Clinton Foundation. Does anyone think for one second Goldman Sachs gives a rats ass about Mary and Joe Sixpack? Hardly. Their interests are the value of their positions in companies that they own equity in. And it just so happens that in the race to the bottom for American wages, multinationals are the ones making money on cheap labor either here or abroad.

When we are poor enough and at parity with the "world wage", that $15.00 minimum wage will be looking pretty good.
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If our multinationals weren't outsourcing the poor in our country would have less buying power.
 
Chomsky said:
And let's not forget GE owns MSNBC (who by the way generally pay no taxes - due to their, the corps like them, and affluent individuals, influencing the tax laws in their favor).
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Been doing lots of reading and it's like what people have said, they're an incestuous club.
Everyone knows everyone else and it's not hard to reason how they're out of touch.
 
straykatz said:
I seriously doubt there is a bombshell except what they make up at this point....The longer they hold onto these so called hacked emails the less credible they become with less chance the words have not been tampered/altered by Wikileaks for whatever political motivation there is one way or the other.....I honestly think these timed leaks are just a precursor to some major "faked" email/big reveal very late in the election process that that will not be verifiable in time to prove or disprove anything.
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I agree with this very much. Apparently if the retired intelligence agent who's been appearing on MSNBC is accurate, Putin uses this exact technique in Russian elections, and the agent wrote a book on it. Putin hacks the emails, then releases constant dribbles of legit emails, until right near the election he puts in a few fraudulent ones.

Is the above true? Well, one ex-intelligent agent with a book is not enough 2nd sourcing for me to quote as gospel. But given the dubious nature of these emails, along with the Trump-Manaforte Putin connections, it's more than enough for me to not take them as credible unless other sources verify!

But then I pretty much consider any and all sources as 'lacking in credibility', until verified. Especially on the internet! :doh
 
Chomsky said:
And let's not forget GE owns MSNBC (who by the way generally pay no taxes - due to their, the corps like them, and affluent individuals, influencing the tax laws in their favor).
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He also moved thousands of jobs from here to overseas which is more than ironic considering his advisory position.

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Harry Guerrilla said:
I was initially duped by his apparent sincerity, I just thought it was idealistically naive.
I was the naive one.
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I remember the first election when people were spouting Hope and Change. I said back then that A) He's a Chicago politician....never trust a Chicago politician B) He's just a Republocrat and will carry on Bush's legacy.

It's what he has done.

Also, Clinton in a standard Corporate Republocrat, her Presidency will continue to perpetuate the status quo.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
:sigh:
I've read one after another, where her staff are editing and reediting, speeches, policy proposals, etc.
Asking Podesta if she should take this position or that with regards to policy.

That's the most interesting take away for me.
No one knows who this person really is.
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Yes, this is how campaigns are done!

She's out busy stumping; she hires qualified people of like mindset, delegates responsibility, and either signs-off on the results - or modifies or nullifies them. This is how large organizations work. There's no way I'm going to believe the Clinton's will blindly follow their appointed staff if it's in conflict with them. Bill Clinton was infamous for disregarding huge swatches of his prepared speeches, for ad-libbing (and he often paid the price for going off-message, and still does 'till today!). They have excellent highly tuned political instincts, as can be seen by their long lifetime of having a superior, successful, track record.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, this is how campaigns are done!

She's out busy stumping; she hires qualified people of like mindset, delegates responsibility, and either signs-off on the results - or modifies or nullifies them. This is how large organizations work. There's no way I'm going to believe the Clinton's will blindly follow their appointed staff if it's in conflict with them. Bill Clinton was infamous for disregarding huge swatches of his prepared speeches, for ad-libbing (and he often paid the price for going off-message, and still does 'till today!). They have excellent highly tuned political instincts, as can be seen by their long lifetime of having a superior, successful, track record.
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I knew it happened, but not to the degree.
I figured they at least kept up on some policy and things like that, but in this instance I feel that I'm more informed than they the candidates are.

It's just weird.
 
Fiddytree said:
The journalistic ethics surrounding hacking have yet to be firmly established. We're under the pretense that as soon as they are disclosed all is fair. That's starting to bring up conversations about, for instance, whether that is playing right into the hands of hackers or those that finance the hackers, and whether or not that matters at all.

Do these emails fall under the public interest? Perhaps. A recipe, as I heard, no.
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To the bolded.

Yeah, right! :lamo

Next, we'll be debating as to whether there's honor amongst thieves!

Not knocking you of course, but the somewhat academic wording and structure of the sentence had my ROFLMAOing! :mrgreen:

(laughing with you, of course - because it's true) ;)
 
Ikari said:
I remember the first election when people were spouting Hope and Change. I said back then that A) He's a Chicago politician....never trust a Chicago politician B) He's just a Republocrat and will carry on Bush's legacy.

It's what he has done.

Also, Clinton in a standard Corporate Republocrat, her Presidency will continue to perpetuate the status quo.
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Yes, exactly, that why a choice between her and Trump is, well, a very bad choice! :(
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, exactly, that why a choice between her and Trump is, well, a very bad choice! :(
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It's Treehouse of Horror

Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system. You have to vote for one of us.
Man 1: He's right, this is a two-party system.
Man 2: Well I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
 
Ikari said:
It's Treehouse of Horror

Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system. You have to vote for one of us.
Man 1: He's right, this is a two-party system.
Man 2: Well I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
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:lamo
 
Chomsky said:
:lamo
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I just really wish that political commentary made on Simpsons and South Park wasn't so close to the actual truth of it all.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
:sigh:
I've read one after another, where her staff are editing and reediting, speeches, policy proposals, etc.
Asking Podesta if she should take this position or that with regards to policy.

That's the most interesting take away for me.
No one knows who this person really is.
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She is definitely one of the more "calculated" politicians, basing her policy positions on the polls rather than personal values. That can be good or bad, depending on the situation.
 
straykatz said:
I seriously doubt there is a bombshell except what they make up at this point....The longer they hold onto these so called hacked emails the less credible they become with less chance the words have not been tampered/altered by Wikileaks for whatever political motivation there is one way or the other.....I honestly think these timed leaks are just a precursor to some major "faked" email/big reveal very late in the election process that that will not be verifiable in time to prove or disprove anything.
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Not that the Clinton Cartel isn't planning one for Trump...
 
BrewerBob said:
She is definitely one of the more "calculated" politicians, basing her policy positions on the polls rather than personal values. That can be good or bad, depending on the situation.
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Yea, I get that but like how is she, as a human.
Here, I can get a feel of how most people are as humans, it bleeds through pretty well.

Hillary has been in front of my TV since I was in elementary school.
I have no idea who she really is, just the TV persona.
 
BrewerBob said:
She is definitely one of the more "calculated" politicians, basing her policy positions on the polls rather than personal values. That can be good or bad, depending on the situation.
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She's unnecessarily secretive, too. Being sick? Should have been quickly announced. Story would have mostly collapsed.

Personally, I understand why she rejected TPP, but I think it's stupid to actually follow through with that.
 
BrewerBob said:
She is definitely one of the more "calculated" politicians, basing her policy positions on the polls rather than personal values. That can be good or bad, depending on the situation.
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A big difference between a professional politician and a citizen, is Hillary has never uttered an unscripted public sentence in her life, knowing somewhere, someday, she would need that ambiguity, whereas a person like Trump has never prepared his life to be analyzed by a political machine. Trump is learning the hard way what happens when you go up against "the machine" of either party who is going to fight hammer and tong to retain their power over the US economy.

And should any of you nails sticking up plan to run for office, this blog would be hacked, and everything you opined on would be used against you and you'd get hammered back down.
 
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