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Trump Screwed the Pooch Again

Thorgasm said:
Actually, people who are really concerned about email security should be asking why the Secret Service isn't in charge of email security. Why did the system allow this to happen. What is being done to fix it?
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How would the SS have been in charge of anything with the server in her house?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yes because of intent, which is weird because the law allows prosecution regardless of intent.
Which Comey went on to say, that if anyone else did it, they would be prosecuted, regardless of intent.



Reinvestigating it over and over again was dumb.
When people die in service like that and there were calls for help, they should definitely be looked into.
Regardless of who is president or holds the office of SOS, etc.
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He also went on to say that there wasn't an attorney in the country that would take this case on to prosecute, which was not true at all.
 
Thorgasm said:
Do you really want the government investigating you for 30 years until they find something unrelated to the original investigation?
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If I did what she did I would be in the pokey.

Im not politically connected enough to infeuence the outcome of a FBI investigation or to undermine the integrity of a over hundred year old federal investigative agency
 
Henrin said:
She set up the server to avoid FOIA requests. In other words she set up the server to keep things from the American people.
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Yes we know that but she has never been asked and I would like to see her be forced to answer that question directly.
 
Mason66 said:
Yes we know that but she has never been asked and I would like to see her be forced to answer that question directly.
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That would be entertaining.
 
Thorgasm said:
It is, however, more classic projection. Only one candidate thinks they are such a star that they can get away with murder on Fifth Avenue and sexually assaulting women.
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Oh come on - It's Hillary that is running for President, not Bill.
 
Fenton said:
If I did what she did I would be in the pokey.

Im not politically connected enough to infeuence the outcome of a FBI investigation or to undermine the integrity of a over hundred year old federal investigative agency
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Comey is a Republican. Republicans have power in both Houses of Congress.

This dog don't hunt.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
He said he would appoint a special prosecutor, then made a quip about her being in jail.
Don't spin it for what it wasn't.
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Haven't there been enough investigations of Clinton, on this and other issues? It was a clear threat, let's not ignore the obvious.
 
Taylor said:
Oh come on - It's Hillary that is running for President, not Bill.
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Nice try.

Would you let Trump grab you by the ***** without permission?
 
LowDown said:
Trump did much better in the second debate. He landed punch after punch on Hillary, who didn't seem to be able to communicate effectively.

But there was one point where Trump blew it and probably damaged his chances, and that was where he said he see Hillary thrown in jail.

Ugly, ugly. Nobody wanted to hear that. That is not how we roll in America. We do not put our political opponents in jail.

Trump just doesn't have what it takes. He is going to lose.
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There were lots of people on the left who wanted to see Bush and Cheney thrown in jail when their term was up so the outrage from the left is rather comical. To his credit, Obama never fed into or pursued such nonsense. Trump being Trump, just might.
 
joG said:
Well, the question is, whether we have rule of law at the moment. It is very suspicious that the various mischief the woman has been up to has not been brought to court. That makes it very intransparent and therefore detracts from the nation's credibility as a guarantor of its legal system.
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No matter how much you wish that Hillary was guilty of something illegal, she isn't.

And it was Nixon who made what Trump's threats illegal through his attempt to force two different prosecutors to bring charges against his political enemies that created just a law against doing so. Only on Nixon's third try (with Robert Bork) did he finally find a prosecutor willing to do what he wanted. The other two resigned.

But Trump could order the FBI to harass his political opponents--or more appropriately in the Trump context--political enemies. He's also threatened to make laws punishing the press for saying bad things about him. It's easy to say he can't do that, but again, through other means he could intimidate them into silence. And Trump strikes many, me included, of being willing to do exactly that.

That is the stuff of fascism. It's what tyrants do.

Don't claim to be a patriot or have any respect for the Constitution if you wish to see what Trump has threatened come to pass.

Oh, there was also the matter of encouraging citizens to inform on each other in the context of what Muslims should do. And Trumpsters strike me as the weasels willing to inform on their fellow citizens not out of any desire to protect the nation, but instead to get revenge. There are too many Turner Diaries types who support Trump to make me think otherwise.
 
Taylor said:
I see. You have no faith in the American legal system to be fair to Hillary, so you resort to calling Donald Trump a dictator. Makes no logical sense, but I see now where you're coming from.
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You thought Trump sounded like he believes in the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"? It sounded more like a promise to "railroad" Hillary into jail to me.
 
Thorgasm said:
Nice try.

Would you let Trump grab you by the ***** without permission?
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Hell, no! It's bad enough that he talks about such things, we don't need him turning into a Clinton or a Cosby.
 
LowDown said:
Ugly, ugly. Nobody wanted to hear that. That is not how we roll in America. We do not put our political opponents in jail.
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I think it's exactly what his committed base wanted to hear. At every rally, he works up a chant of "jail her". "Jail her" has been the GOP meme for the last three years. Jailing political opponents is exactly what a large portion of the right (his main base) wanted to hear, and that is what makes it so bad....
 
Taylor said:
Hell, no! It's bad enough that he talks about such things, we don't need him turning into a Clinton or a Cosby.
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What do you mean, "turning into"? That is who he is.

Just wait to see what else comes out about him.
 
iguanaman said:
You thought Trump sounded like he believes in the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"? It sounded more like a promise to "railroad" Hillary into jail to me.
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It didn't sound that way to me, but I do agree with you guys that the most important topic of discussion coming out that debate is whether or not Hillary deserves jail time. That's what should be dominating the news cycle today.
 
Thorgasm said:
What do you mean, "turning into"? That is who he is.

Just wait to see what else comes out about him.
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He's already sexually assaulted women like Cosby and Clinton? Yes, I will most certainly "just wait to see."
 
Taylor said:
He's already sexually assaulted women like Cosby and Clinton? Yes, I will most certainly "just wait to see."
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If you don't want to wait, you can google it.
 
Thorgasm said:
Comey is a Republican. Republicans have power in both Houses of Congress.

This dog don't hunt.
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Sure the GOP has the majority, but they never her had her emails, her SUBPOENAED emails and Comey's Political lean is irellevent. Equal justice before the law is a concept thats lost on Hillary supporters

As far as tens of millions of Americans are concerned your about to elect a President thats going into office a criminal. A President that was able to undermine the integrity of a hundred year old American institution and who was able to influence the outcome of a criminal investigation.

If the FBI can be bought or bullied then no one, especially those who oppose Clinton or the Democrats is safe from persecution and the American public is powerless against a corrupt overreaching Govt.
 
Camer☑n;1066406251 said:
Haven't there been enough investigations of Clinton, on this and other issues? It was a clear threat, let's not ignore the obvious.
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Ask yourself, are they being investigated so much because they're actually involved in messed up stuff or are they being investigated because of a grand conspiracy.
I'm leaning towards most of the investigations being based on them being involved in messed up stuff.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Ask yourself, are they being investigated so much because they're actually involved in messed up stuff or are they being investigated because of a grand conspiracy.
I'm leaning towards most of the investigations being based on them being involved in messed up stuff.
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I'm leaning towards it being a political tool of harassment by conservatives. They couldn't stand the fact that Bill Clinton was actually a good President and they were terrified by the notion that Hillary was a danger to gain political influence following Bill's Presidency. They have trumped on charges and spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to find something to prosecute her for and have come up with nothing. There is no one in this nation who has been more closely scrutinized than Hillary Clinton, yet the GOP has found nothing they could punish her for.

But that's okay to them because they learned along the way that the accusation is almost as good. Just come up with something, make the accusation, see if it gets traction on Limbaugh, Hannity, Breitbart, etc. If it does, roll with it. If not, think of something else. But whatever the case, just keep pumping out the accusations.

There is no pursuit for the truth by the GOP. Bush/Cheney deleted millions of emails. MILLIONS. Where was the truth-seeking GOP then? Why were more hearings held on Benghazi and more money spent on those hearings than 9/11? Why the outrage over 4 dead when more than 60 died in similar situations under Bush/Cheney? Why not a single investigation of that? Where was the willingness to hold Bush/Cheney responsible for 9/11, where 3,000 people died? The lies about WMD's and the failure to plan for the aftermath of the Iraq war? The loss of $12 billion in cash that disappeared on a slow boat to Iraq?

The fact is that no matter what Hillary has done--and I'm talking about actual things, not made up Hillary and Bill hire assassins type of nonsense---it can't even begin to approach just one of the outrages that happened from 2000-20008. If we can tolerate that, then Hillary is an angel of pure lightness and good.
 
Fenton said:
Sure the GOP has the majority, but they never her had her emails, her SUBPOENAED emails and Comey's Political lean is irellevent. Equal justice before the law is a concept thats lost on Hillary supporters

As far as tens of millions of Americans are concerned your about to elect a President thats going into office a criminal. A President that was able to undermine the integrity of a hundred year old American institution and who was able to influence the outcome of a criminal investigation.

If the FBI can be bought or bullied then no one, especially those who oppose Clinton or the Democrats is safe from persecution and the American public is powerless against a corrupt overreaching Govt.
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You are an expert on criminal law? It seems everybody is and the idea that your "expertise" automatically makes the rule of law "bought tor bullied" is the most dangerous trend imaginable.
 
Opopanax said:
I'm leaning towards it being a political tool of harassment by conservatives. They couldn't stand the fact that Bill Clinton was actually a good President and they were terrified by the notion that Hillary was a danger to gain political influence following Bill's Presidency. They have trumped on charges and spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to find something to prosecute her for and have come up with nothing. There is no one in this nation who has been more closely scrutinized than Hillary Clinton, yet the GOP has found nothing they could punish her for.

But that's okay to them because they learned along the way that the accusation is almost as good. Just come up with something, make the accusation, see if it gets traction on Limbaugh, Hannity, Breitbart, etc. If it does, roll with it. If not, think of something else. But whatever the case, just keep pumping out the accusations.

There is no pursuit for the truth by the GOP. Bush/Cheney deleted millions of emails. MILLIONS. Where was the truth-seeking GOP then? Why were more hearings held on Benghazi and more money spent on those hearings than 9/11? Why the outrage over 4 dead when more than 60 died in similar situations under Bush/Cheney? Why not a single investigation of that? Where was the willingness to hold Bush/Cheney responsible for 9/11, where 3,000 people died? The lies about WMD's and the failure to plan for the aftermath of the Iraq war? The loss of $12 billion in cash that disappeared on a slow boat to Iraq?

The fact is that no matter what Hillary has done--and I'm talking about actual things, not made up Hillary and Bill hire assassins type of nonsense---it can't even begin to approach just one of the outrages that happened from 2000-20008. If we can tolerate that, then Hillary is an angel of pure lightness and good.
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Some of the stuff surrounding them has indeed been nothing but conspiracy theory crap.
The emails were not, the involvement in White Water was not and I'm fairly certainly she was directly involved in manipulating the Dem primaries.
There is enough evidence to show that they were doing shady stuff with all this.

Not everything is a witch hunt.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Some of the stuff surrounding them has indeed been nothing but conspiracy theory crap.
The emails were not, the involvement in White Water was not and I'm fairly certainly she was directly involved in manipulating the Dem primaries.
There is enough evidence to show that they were doing shady stuff with all this.

Not everything is a witch hunt.
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True, not everything is a witch hunt. The emails should have been investigated and they were. However, that used to be the kind of thing that took place behind closed doors first. It wouldn't have been a public spectacle with the very public engaging of speculation and accusation by elected officials as was the case here. Instead, the DOJ could have looked at it, held some closed door meetings, and then when it was all over, if there would have been something to prosecute for, then it could have gone forward appropriately. But the method the GOP has employed has made the reasonable and legitimate investigation a public shaming ritual. It undermines the faith we have in our government and it cripples the ability to gain an objective assessment of what happened because before the investigation is even over, she's already been convicted by Fox News viewers et al.

Whitewater was also worth investigating, but again, the public aspect of it made it a circus. And in the end, they were found of no wrongdoing. But the Rush Limbaugh's of the world pronounced them guilty and so badly obfuscated what happened over and over and over and over that to conservative voters, the truth was something that never really came into the picture.

I don't want to see anyone get strung up on either side. I didn't want to see Bush/Cheney get hauled in front of a committee for 9/11 because it would have been bad for the nation and would have only served to divide and make the Democrats look like ghouls. I want to see this nation's politicians act like adults again and do what's best for the country.
 
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