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Seven years ago this week, when a young American president learned he'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize barely nine months into his first term — arguably before he'd made any peace — a somewhat embarrassed Barack Obama asked his aides to write an acceptance speech that addressed the awkwardness of the award.

But by the time his speechwriters delivered a draft, Obama's focus had shifted to another source of tension in his upcoming moment in Oslo: He would deliver this speech about peace just days after he planned to order 30,000 more American troops into battle in Afghanistan.
The president all-but scrapped the draft and wrote his own version.

The speech Obama delivered — a Nobel Peace Prize lecture about the necessity of waging war — now looks like an early sign that the American president would not be the sort of peacemaker the European intellectuals of the Nobel committee had anticipated.
Once lauded as a peacemaker, Obama's tenure fraught with war


Another idealistic peace puffer, realizing the reality of the world. The idea and talk of world peace, is a game for fools. There will never be global peace.....we are destined to have strife and conflict for eternity... as long as the earth exists.
 
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MickeyW said:
Seven years ago this week, when a young American president learned he'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize barely nine months into his first term — arguably before he'd made any peace — a somewhat embarrassed Barack Obama asked his aides to write an acceptance speech that addressed the awkwardness of the award.

But by the time his speechwriters delivered a draft, Obama's focus had shifted to another source of tension in his upcoming moment in Oslo: He would deliver this speech about peace just days after he planned to order 30,000 more American troops into battle in Afghanistan.
The president all-but scrapped the draft and wrote his own version.

The speech Obama delivered — a Nobel Peace Prize lecture about the necessity of waging war — now looks like an early sign that the American president would not be the sort of peacemaker the European intellectuals of the Nobel committee had anticipated.
Once lauded as a peacemaker, Obama's tenure fraught with war


Another idealistic peace puffer, realizing the reality of the world. The idea and talk of world peace, is a game for fools. There will never be global peace.....
we are destined to have strife and conflict for eternity... as long as the earth exists
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If the human race doesn't figure out a way to settle disagreements without going to war eventually planet Earth will not exist.

Now would be a good time to start doing that.
 
MickeyW said:
Seven years ago this week, when a young American president learned he'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize barely nine months into his first term — arguably before he'd made any peace — a somewhat embarrassed Barack Obama asked his aides to write an acceptance speech that addressed the awkwardness of the award.

But by the time his speechwriters delivered a draft, Obama's focus had shifted to another source of tension in his upcoming moment in Oslo: He would deliver this speech about peace just days after he planned to order 30,000 more American troops into battle in Afghanistan.
The president all-but scrapped the draft and wrote his own version.

The speech Obama delivered — a Nobel Peace Prize lecture about the necessity of waging war — now looks like an early sign that the American president would not be the sort of peacemaker the European intellectuals of the Nobel committee had anticipated.
Once lauded as a peacemaker, Obama's tenure fraught with war


Another idealistic peace puffer, realizing the reality of the world. The idea and talk of world peace, is a game for fools. There will never be global peace.....we are destined to have strife and conflict for eternity... as long as the earth exists.
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Or until we blow ourselves up and wipe humanity off the face of the Earth. Perhaps the earth might be a better place then.

On Obama, it is quite a different thing or story to have the weight of the world upon your shoulders. What can be done are at time dictated by the circumstance presented. It is quite another as a senator spouting what one would or wouldn't do with no repercussions whatsoever. But once one switches from one of a hundred to Being the one who holds life and death, war and peace, the nations security in his hands and only his hands. There are times when what one said or promised as a senator doesn't or can't apply. One has to take the world and the situation, circumstance as they are. No more hypothetical theories or what one will or won't do. One reacts to the situation at hand, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes in the right way, sometimes in the wrong way. But regardless, everything rests upon the president's shoulders, no one else's.
 
shrubnose said:
If the human race doesn't figure out a way to settle disagreements without going to war eventually planet Earth will not exist.

Now would be a good time to start doing that.
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The tough part is getting the human race to agree to any particular thing beyond "we want to live". After that, all bets are off on what "we" and "live" means.
There seems to be some disagreement about those two things.
 
shrubnose said:
If the human race doesn't figure out a way to settle disagreements without going to war eventually planet Earth will not exist.

Now would be a good time to start doing that.
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Ain't gonna happen. And the earth will cease to exist...one day. It is written in scripture. If you choose not to believe that, so be it.
 
Perotista said:
Or until we blow ourselves up and wipe humanity off the face of the Earth. Perhaps the earth might be a better place then.

On Obama, it is quite a different thing or story to have the weight of the world upon your shoulders. What can be done are at time dictated by the circumstance presented. It is quite another as a senator spouting what one would or wouldn't do with no repercussions whatsoever. But once one switches from one of a hundred to Being the one who holds life and death, war and peace, the nations security in his hands and only his hands. There are times when what one said or promised as a senator doesn't or can't apply. One has to take the world and the situation, circumstance as they are. No more hypothetical theories or what one will or won't do. One reacts to the situation at hand, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes in the right way, sometimes in the wrong way. But regardless, everything rests upon the president's shoulders, no one else's.
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Well stated ................and the reason why they all turn gray haired and tired looking, while in office.
 
humbolt said:
The tough part is getting the human race to agree to any particular thing beyond "we want to live". After that, all bets are off on what "we" and "live" means.
There seems to be some disagreement about those two things.
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Exactly.
 
MickeyW said:
Exactly.
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If Bush had pumped their oil to make them behave you wouldn't have this either, then you could afford to stay, if need be and there would be no room for ISIL; but what would become of the Arab Spring?
 
MickeyW said:
Well stated ................and the reason why they all turn gray haired and tired looking, while in office.
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Exactly, they all age 20 years over a 4 to 8 year time span. Then there is the intelligence, the covert operations, the day to day happenings and various in-depth details along with many unknowns one doesn't get briefed about as a senator. But one inherits when one becomes president. As a civilian or someone who has only the news to go by, we can come to our conclusions and know what we would or wouldn't do to counteract that. But much, much more happens behind the scenes that no one knows about that can have very serious repercussions. So much the public as a whole doesn't know about. As president, all of a sudden he gains a hundred, a thousand times the knowledge and what is happening that he didn't know about as a senator.
 
Perotista said:
Exactly, they all age 20 years over a 4 to 8 year time span. Then there is the intelligence, the covert operations, the day to day happenings and various in-depth details along with many unknowns one doesn't get briefed about as a senator. But one inherits when one becomes president. As a civilian or someone who has only the news to go by, we can come to our conclusions and know what we would or wouldn't do to counteract that. But much, much more happens behind the scenes that no one knows about that can have very serious repercussions. So much the public as a whole doesn't know about. As president, all of a sudden he gains a hundred, a thousand times the knowledge and what is happening that he didn't know about as a senator.
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Yes indeed!
 
MickeyW said:
Seven years ago this week, when a young American president learned he'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize barely nine months into his first term — arguably before he'd made any peace — a somewhat embarrassed Barack Obama asked his aides to write an acceptance speech that addressed the awkwardness of the award.

But by the time his speechwriters delivered a draft, Obama's focus had shifted to another source of tension in his upcoming moment in Oslo: He would deliver this speech about peace just days after he planned to order 30,000 more American troops into battle in Afghanistan.
The president all-but scrapped the draft and wrote his own version.

The speech Obama delivered — a Nobel Peace Prize lecture about the necessity of waging war — now looks like an early sign that the American president would not be the sort of peacemaker the European intellectuals of the Nobel committee had anticipated.
Once lauded as a peacemaker, Obama's tenure fraught with war


Another idealistic peace puffer, realizing the reality of the world. The idea and talk of world peace, is a game for fools. There will never be global peace.....we are destined to have strife and conflict for eternity... as long as the earth exists.
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If he doesn't commit troops, he's "weak", "hates America," "wants to give our soverignty to foreign countries", etc,.

If he does commit troops, he's a dirty dirty war monger.





Will you people ever make up your minds?
 
Exquisitor said:
If Bush had pumped their oil to make them behave you wouldn't have this either, then you could afford to stay, if need be and there would be no room for ISIL; but what would become of the Arab Spring?
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Right, the insurgents would have bowed down to us if we stole their oil. The Iraqi's have so much else that is valuable, they would not have missed their oil revenues.
That is how your mind works?
 
iguanaman said:
Right, the insurgents would have bowed down to us if we stole their oil. The Iraqi's have so much else that is valuable, they would not have missed their oil revenues.
That is how your mind works?
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No, the Iraqi leader would have had incentive to get things in order, as it was they did nothing to promote law and order.

What do they have of value other than oil, their savings, I'm sure they're going to like digging into them for the interim.
 
Exquisitor said:
No, the Iraqi leader would have had incentive to get things in order, as it was they did nothing to promote law and order.

What do they have of value other than oil, their savings, I'm sure they're going to like digging into them for the interim.
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I was being sarcastic about the oil, the Iraqi's have nothing else of value to trade. Our problem is that neither of the 2 groups had any use for the U.S. and getting us out was their main priority. You have to remember we were not exactly "greeted as liberators" and even more Iraqi's hated us by the time we got out.
 
iguanaman said:
I was being sarcastic about the oil, the Iraqi's have nothing else of value to trade. Our problem is that neither of the 2 groups had any use for the U.S. and getting us out was their main priority. You have to remember we were not exactly "greeted as liberators" and even more Iraqi's hated us by the time we got out.
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If they refused to behave we would still be pumping their oil today.
 
MickeyW said:
Ain't gonna happen. And
the earth will cease to exist...one day.
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 It is written in scripture. If you choose not to believe that, so be it.
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It's a sure thing that in the distant future the Sun will expand and incinerate planet Earth,but mankind doesn't need to commit suicide with a nuclear WWIII.

Most people on this planet would like to see their grand-kids grow up.
 
Mr Person said:
If he doesn't commit troops, he's "weak", "hates America," "wants to give our soverignty to foreign countries", etc,.

If he does commit troops, he's a dirty dirty war monger.



Will you people ever make up your minds?
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I would never accuse obie of being a war monger....he is weak on law enforcement and military action....and it's all planned that way.

shrubnose said:
It's a sure thing that in the distant future the Sun will expand and incinerate planet Earth,but mankind doesn't need to commit suicide with a nuclear WWIII.

Most people on this planet would like to see their grand-kids grow up.
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As would I....but we could incinerate at any time...
 
MickeyW said:
I would never accuse obie of being a war monger....he is weak on law enforcement and military action....and it's all planned that way.



As would I....but we could incinerate at any time...
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Only if people like Hitler and Trump are running the countries on this planet.

:peace
 
shrubnose said:
Only if people like Hitler and Trump are running the countries on this planet.

:peace
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Naw....catastrophic calamity is what I'm talking about....no mere mortal could do that.
 
Considering Barack Obama as a peacemaker is as foolish as considering Donald Trump a conservative. While the U.S. has been at war in many places, Barack Obama's emphasis has been on the Race War in the U.S. "Stay the course".
 
Patrickt said:
Considering Barack Obama as a peacemaker is as foolish as considering Donald Trump a conservative. While the U.S. has been at war in many places,
Barack Obama's emphasis has been on the Race War in the U.S.
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 "Stay the course".
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The only 'Race War' in the USA is the one in your mind.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
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