Clinton camp promises she respects young Sanders voters

An audio obtained at a fundraiser was leaked in which Clinton was interpreted by the uncharitable among us as mocking Sander's supporters for "living in their parent's basements" and "wanting free college" which Clinton seemed to regard as unrealistic.

Listening to the audio myself I got the impression that Clinton was trying to understand the situation these young people are in. She got a bad rap, imho. (It's been a dirty, dirty campaign season with crap coming from both sides.)

...there's just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we've done hasn't gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don't know what that means, but it's something that they deeply feel."

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...It's a setback for Clinton among Sanders' youthful supporters, who still widely see her as a dishonest politician who is a part of a system they hoped the Vermont independent could overthrow. Many headlines on Saturday accused Clinton of mocking Sanders' supporters for their feelings and their new arrival to the political world.

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Clinton's campaign insists that "She believes that the most diverse, open-minded generation in history wants their voice heard in this election and that's why she worked with Sen. Sanders on a plan to provide students with debt-free college,"...

I donno. She says the right things, but were I a young person again I'd be inclined not to believe her. I'd say that we can kiss the dream of free college and free health care goodbye.

Free? Now you're drinking the Kooaid?

LowDown said:

An audio obtained at a fundraiser was leaked in which Clinton was interpreted by the uncharitable among us as mocking Sander's supporters for "living in their parent's basements" and "wanting free college" which Clinton seemed to regard as unrealistic.

Listening to the audio myself I got the impression that Clinton was trying to understand the situation these young people are in. She got a bad rap, imho. (It's been a dirty, dirty campaign season with crap coming from both sides.)





Clinton's campaign insists that "She believes that the most diverse, open-minded generation in history wants their voice heard in this election and that's why she worked with Sen. Sanders on a plan to provide students with debt-free college,"...

I donno. She says the right things, but were I a young person again I'd be inclined not to believe her. I'd say that we can kiss the dream of free college and free health care goodbye.

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She's a Corporate Republocrat. Bought and paid for, status quo politician. She'll say anything (much like Trump) to get play and traction, but do not trust a Clinton. She doesn't give a **** about Bernie or his supporters, just needs to get enough to vote for her so she wins. But make no bones about it, she's as insider as one can be, and nothing more than the dime-a-dozen Corporate Republocrats we have not perpetuating the status quo and growing government against our rights and liberties.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1066382674 said:

Free? Now you're drinking the Kooaid?

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No one, literally nobody, is claiming that college can be FREE as in nobody pays for it. What is claimed is that we spend TRILLIONS on unncessary wars but when it comes time to spend some tax dollars on Americans it's unicorn socialism time. We could've ran Bernie Sander's tuition-free college plan for 30 years with what we wasted just in Iraq. It's about priorities.

LowDown said:

An audio obtained at a fundraiser was leaked in which Clinton was interpreted by the uncharitable among us as mocking Sander's supporters for "living in their parent's basements" and "wanting free college" which Clinton seemed to regard as unrealistic.

Listening to the audio myself I got the impression that Clinton was trying to understand the situation these young people are in. She got a bad rap, imho. (It's been a dirty, dirty campaign season with crap coming from both sides.)





Clinton's campaign insists that "She believes that the most diverse, open-minded generation in history wants their voice heard in this election and that's why she worked with Sen. Sanders on a plan to provide students with debt-free college,"...

I donno. She says the right things, but were I a young person again I'd be inclined not to believe her. I'd say that we can kiss the dream of free college and free health care goodbye.

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This is if you do not send her Democratic Congress.

Ikari said:

She's a Corporate Republocrat. Bought and paid for, status quo politician. She'll say anything (much like Trump) to get play and traction, but do not trust a Clinton. She doesn't give a **** about Bernie or his supporters, just needs to get enough to vote for her so she wins. But make no bones about it, she's as insider as one can be, and nothing more than the dime-a-dozen Corporate Republocrats we have not perpetuating the status quo and growing government against our rights and liberties.

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I recently viewed a set of Quotes from her biographies about how she abuses people that would lead me to believe that she's not going to let a bunch of bankers tell her what to do if its going to damage her legacy. You're just imagining things, its from the led poisoning when they had leaded gasoline but even if you elect Republicans you will still move forward and is not the disaster that Trump Republicans most certainly will be nor the uncertainty that Trump Democrat is.

Exquisitor said:

I recently viewed a set of Quotes from her biographies about how she abuses people that would lead me to believe that she's not going to let a bunch of bankers tell her what to do if its going to damage her legacy. You're just imagining things, its from the led poisoning when they had leaded gasoline but even if you elect Republicans you will still move forward and is not the disaster that Trump Republicans most certainly will be nor the uncertainty that Trump Democrat is.

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If the bankers pay her enough, she will. She's the run of the mill, status-quo, Corporate Republocrat. And after she is elected, it will become clear. The wars will go on, the government will grow, the friends of government will flourish, America will be less free, and all that Corporate State nonsense will continue as everything now has continued. There will be no real difference. She'll talk a different game, we may see some superficial differences too...but when rubber meets the road, functionally it's going to be neigh identical.

Ikari said:

If the bankers pay her enough, she will. She's the run of the mill, status-quo, Corporate Republocrat. And after she is elected, it will become clear. The wars will go on, the government will grow, the friends of government will flourish, America will be less free, and all that Corporate State nonsense will continue as everything now has continued. There will be no real difference. She'll talk a different game, we may see some superficial differences too...but when rubber meets the road, functionally it's going to be neigh identical.

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What, to break her legacy? That it be that she sold out to the bankers? The bankers may come and say what they say but she's got to have a policy that benefits the whole. But uncertainty is if she has to deal with the Republicans. Republicans are always uncertainty except for disaster, Clinton is always steady, she can't sell out to the bankers, this is just your imagination, it comes from the lead poisoning when we burned leaded gasoline.

Exquisitor said:

What, to break her legacy?

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Her legacy of being a corrupt, Corporate Republocrat? No, she's not breaking that.

Exquisitor said:

That it be that she sold out to the bankers? The bankers may come and say what they say but she's got to have a policy that benefits the whole. But uncertainty is if she has to deal with the Republicans. Republicans are always uncertainty except for disaster, Clinton is always steady, she can't sell out to the bankers, this is just your imagination, it comes from the lead poisoning when we burned leaded gasoline.

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She's a Clinton, she sells out to anyone with the biggest check. This is standard Corporate Republocrat behavior.

Nothing big will change under her. Our wars will continue, we'll still jail more people per capita than anyone else in the world, the government will grow, we'll add new agencies to keep tabs on us, freedom will decline, and the Corporate State will become further solidified, wealth disparity will continue to grow, and we will still see the continued emergence of the new aristocracy.

She's a standard Corporate Republocrat. Bet on it. In two years, assuming you aren't blinded by partisan nonsense, you can come back and tell me how I was right. Because I am.

Ikari said:

Her legacy of being a corrupt, Corporate Republocrat? No, she's not breaking that.



She's a Clinton, she sells out to anyone with the biggest check. This is standard Corporate Republocrat behavior.

Nothing big will change under her. Our wars will continue, we'll still jail more people per capita than anyone else in the world, the government will grow, we'll add new agencies to keep tabs on us, freedom will decline, and the Corporate State will become further solidified, wealth disparity will continue to grow, and we will still see the continued emergence of the new aristocracy.

She's a standard Corporate Republocrat. Bet on it. In two years, assuming you aren't blinded by partisan nonsense, you can come back and tell me how I was right. Because I am.

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If you pay you get what you want within the system. I bet Hillary Clinton's aim will be to improve the system.

Exquisitor said:

If you pay you get what you want within the system. I bet Hillary Clinton's aim will be to improve the system.

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No, the system is supposed to be for the rights and liberties of the People, for all of us, not just the rich who can afford a Senator or a President. Can't believe you're deflecting to defend cronyism within government.

You will lose your bet. As I said, in two years, assuming you aren't blinded by partisan nonsense, you can come back and tell me how I was right. Nothing major is going to change under Hillary.

Ikari said:

No, the system is supposed to be for the rights and liberties of the People, for all of us, not just the rich who can afford a Senator or a President. Can't believe you're deflecting to defend cronyism within government.

You will lose your bet. As I said, in two years, assuming you aren't blinded by partisan nonsense, you can come back and tell me how I was right. Nothing major is going to change under Hillary.

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We don't need major change, I thought people wanted Government out of their lives, why would they want it to change anything, only improve it where you may.

Exquisitor said:

We don't need major change, I thought people wanted Government out of their lives, why would they want it to change anything, only improve it where you may.

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We certainly need a major change. People do want government out of their lives, but government is constantly in them. It would take a major change to scale back government to its proper levels. Not getting that with Clinton, just that status quo as you just about admitted in your deflection post I quoted here.

Listen, it seems to me that by your arguments, you're a partisan. So it's not going to go that far. But 2 years after Clinton takes office, here's what will still be going on.

Our infrastructure will still be crumbling
Government will still be playing to Wall Street over the People
We will still be bombing the crap out of the ME, though we will likely be bombing a new place
Patriot Act, TSA, HLS, etc. will be around in some form or another and running greater interference, but we'll still be using fear tactics to excuse it
Corporations will be treated specially, given subsidy and tax break and everything under the sun
The Middle Class will continue to shrink
Wealth Disparity will continue to grow
Economic mobility will become more choked out
Our Debt will continue to grow as will spending

Nothing real is going to change. We will be further from the ideals of smaller and responsible government, from a free society and more along the lines of 1984. The same as the past several presidents have done to bring us there. This is the face of the Corporate Republocrat, this is the America they will bring us.

2 years after Hillary takes office, if you're honest enough, you can come back and tell me I was right.

Exquisitor said:

This is if you do not send her Democratic Congress.

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That's a pretty big "if". It's why all the promises ring hollow.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1066382674 said:

Free? Now you're drinking the Kooaid?

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Just trying to walk a mile in Hillary's Vuittons

Exquisitor said:

If you pay you get what you want within the system. I bet Hillary Clinton's aim will be to improve the system.

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What has she ever done to make you believe that?