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Roger Stone: Wednesday will be end of Clinton's campaign

Fishking said:
Nope. At one time it was believed the Earth was flat.
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It was taken as fact. If you use your thinking it's possible to be in a position where there are no facts.
 
azgreg said:
It was taken as fact. If you use your thinking it's possible to be in a position where there are no facts.
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My thinking is called reality.
 
Fishking said:
Fine. Please submit your proof that any of the information released by Wikileaks was falsified.
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The one about the drones.
 
Fishking said:
Fine. Please submit your proof that any of the information released by Wikileaks was falsified.
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I never said they were. I have no evidence one way or the other or have I made any claim one way or the other.
 
azgreg said:
I never said they were. I have no evidence one way or the other or have I made any claim one way or the other.
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Well, since there have been many powerful people, to include the U.S. government, that have a vested interest in the releases and none have called the information into question, the onus is on you as your position is less tenable.
 
Fishking said:
Well, since there have been many powerful people, to include the U.S. government, that have a vested interest in the releases and none have called the information into question, the onus is on you as your position is less tenable.
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What position would that be since I have made no claims concerning Wikileaks?
 
azgreg said:
What position would that be since I have made no claims concerning Wikileaks?
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The one that is questioning the validity of Wikileaks releases, and you most definitely have, because that's what you've been responding to.
 
Fishking said:
The one that is questioning the validity of Wikileaks releases, and you most definitely have, because that's what you've been responding to.
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Feel free to point out the post in which I did that. I'll wait.
 
azgreg said:
Feel free to point out the post in which I did that. I'll wait.
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Ask you you shall receive.

Here I'm pointing out that factual releases of information are factual.

Fishking said:
Can facts become unfacts?
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azgreg said:
At one time it was a fact that the earth was flat.
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Here you say that supposed facts in the past (which really weren't facts but beliefs based on nothing and poor understanding of science). There aren't very poorly vetting things like flat Earth beliefs. These aren't things that are even denied. In fact, it's accepted by all involved. If I provide you with documentation that you didn't want out, and you question how I got it but don't deny it's yours, that's confirmation. This isn't Blues Clues. It's very basic.

So, in summary, you set yourself up in opposition to what I was stating. Now give me something actually difficult to answer.
 
Fishking said:
Ask you you shall receive.

Here I'm pointing out that factual releases of information are factual.





Here you say that supposed facts in the past (which really weren't facts but beliefs based on nothing and poor understanding of science). There aren't very poorly vetting things like flat Earth beliefs. These aren't things that are even denied. In fact, it's accepted by all involved. If I provide you with documentation that you didn't want out, and you question how I got it but don't deny it's yours, that's confirmation. This isn't Blues Clues. It's very basic.

So, in summary, you set yourself up in opposition to what I was stating. Now give me something actually difficult to answer.
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Care to point out where that states a position on Wikileaks?
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Let me paraphrase this whole thread:

Conservatives: "Gee, I wonder what it'll be."
Liberals: "Well, considering his target is OUR guy, then we'll say he's crazy and discredit everything before we even know what it is. If it was dirt on Trump, we'd believe it 110% hook, line and sinker."
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Good call.

Wikileaks sure has DP leftists all worked up though. :)
 
Chomsky said:
+1

But my bigger concerned is can we believe any of the content released, given the dubious manner of it's acquisition?
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If they release anything, my bet is they will do a better, more credible job than the FBI and DOJ has done when dealing with Criminal Hillary's shenanigans.

If they screw this up, they lose all their credibility. They're not the MSM or some government sanctioned entity that goes on forever... Their capital is delivering accurate documents. Destroy that, and they destroy their mission, whether you agree with them or not.

We simply have to wait and see what they have or do not have.
 
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