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Gang violence increasing across America - politically assisted? Where is it headed?

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The death toll from gang violence continues to climb across the nation.

Violent gang MS-13 taking advantage of immigration crisis, using border as recruiting hub - Washington Times

I do not care whether left rules the nation or the right rules the nations AS LONG AS we have lawful order and peace and equal justice for all.
And I do not think ALL on the Left are culpable and negligent as others. But in general they support it and a Presidential candidate who promises much more of it.

However, truth is that currently, those on the LEFT seem to be the ones contributing to the immigration problem and the gang violence problem.
Noone that I have read about on the right advocates for Sanctuary cities where violent criminals are known to find safe refuge.
Noone on the right that I know of advocates for open borders allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the border and often join MS13 and other violent gangs.
The Left's Presidential candidate brags that she will bring in millions more illegal "refugees" even though solutions exist for helping them in their own countries.

People are dying and it's getting worse. The Left generally sees no problem with it even though communities that are liberal usually are targeted first and hardest.
MS13 and other gangs are setting up mass illegal weapons black markets where SERIOUS weapons like hand grenades (see links) and fully automatic weapons are being smuggled in
in record numbers, yet the left stays firm on it's cult, and insane demands to disarm Americans.

https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/update-ms-13-andor-sur-13-gang-members-involved-in-exporting-stolen-u-s-cars-to-south-america-from-florida-vin-cloning/

Since the Left seems immovable in their quest to continue encouraging the carnage, is civil war the only answer?
Will Americans eventually be forced to take back the nation by any means necessary? Or will we simply continue the slide into 3rd world status?
 
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Sadly, the Democrats see immigrants as a source of new votes for their candidates and they also correctly understand that many recent Latino Immigrants who are here legally, see attacks on ILLEGALs as an attack upon THEM. so the Democrats, for the most part, are not going to bite a hand they see as feeding them votes. Combine this with the fact that the Democrat party is the party of victim disarmament means its going to be a real mess in places like California which are run by anti gun owner, pro open borders politicians
 
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We have Asian citizens in South Sacramento forming armed citizen patrols due to gang robberies. Typically, it's very quiet, and there are rumors of a certain gang leader going missing. ;)
 
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So are American citizens supposed to just sit back and watch our families and friends get murdered, raped and robbed because the left wants votes?

Is that the best Americans can do?
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
Since the Left seems immovable in their quest to continue encouraging the carnage, is civil war the only answer?
Will Americans eventually be forced to take back the nation by any means necessary? Or will we simply continue the slide into 3rd world status?
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I’m confident decent normal Americans will wake up one day and see all the nonsense the left is putting the country through and put a peaceful stop to it. But Americans will endure quite a bit before that happens. We’re a pretty forgiving people.

It’s best to leave the violence to the left, where it always has been. Political violence never solved anything but that won’t stop the left from trying, they learn at a slower rate than normal folks. They bombard themselves with all that stuff, violence, chaos, havoc, hatred for the country, political corruption, and then expect things to change for the better.

So my philosophy is to live life to the fullest. Show gratitude for all things in life and fill it with joy. Being retired helps a lot too. LMAO
 
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chuckiechan said:
We have Asian citizens in South Sacramento forming armed citizen patrols due to gang robberies. Typically, it's very quiet, and there are rumors of a certain gang leader going missing. ;)
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I'm no fan of vigilantism, but repect those that take care of their neighborhoods. We had informal networks in my old neighborhood in the city, where we tried our best to keep the punks from outside in line when they were on our turf.

But it can be dangerous in terms of over-reaction and bringing unsuitable individuals into the fray. We see this nationally, with the Trump campaign.

So now that I'm out of the city and in a nice 'burb, I'm of two minds on this. But I suspect if I was back in the city, I'd be doing what it is I had to do.
 
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Chomsky said:
I'm no fan of vigilantism, but repect those that take care of their neighborhoods. We had informal networks in my old neighborhood in the city, where we tried our best to keep the punks from outside in line when they were on our turf.

But it can be dangerous in terms of over-reaction and bringing unsuitable individuals into the fray. We see this nationally, with the Trump campaign.

So now that I'm out of the city and in a nice 'burb, I'm of two minds on this. But I suspect if I was back in the city, I'd be doing what it is I had to do.
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The Asian culture down there is different. I suspect they are pig feed by now. They are mostly Vietnamese and Hmong, with some Cambodians here and there. One thing they have in common is a distrust of banks, a distrust of police, and no cultural problem with "weeding the garden". They tolerate prostitution, gambling, and some drug use by senior citizens, but frown on drug use by working age folks. Strong arm robbery is about a low as it gets.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
The death toll from gang violence continues to climb across the nation.

Violent gang MS-13 taking advantage of immigration crisis, using border as recruiting hub - Washington Times

I do not care whether left rules the nation or the right rules the nations AS LONG AS we have lawful order and peace and equal justice for all.
And I do not think ALL on the Left are culpable and negligent as others. But in general they support it and a Presidential candidate who promises much more of it.

However, truth is that currently, those on the LEFT seem to be the ones contributing to the immigration problem and the gang violence problem.
Noone that I have read about on the right advocates for Sanctuary cities where violent criminals are known to find safe refuge.
Noone on the right that I know of advocates for open borders allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the border and often join MS13 and other violent gangs.
The Left's Presidential candidate brags that she will bring in millions more illegal "refugees" even though solutions exist for helping them in their own countries.

People are dying and it's getting worse. The Left generally sees no problem with it even though communities that are liberal usually are targeted first and hardest.
MS13 and other gangs are setting up mass illegal weapons black markets where SERIOUS weapons like hand grenades (see links) and fully automatic weapons are being smuggled in
in record numbers, yet the left stays firm on it's cult, and insane demands to disarm Americans.

https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/update-ms-13-andor-sur-13-gang-members-involved-in-exporting-stolen-u-s-cars-to-south-america-from-florida-vin-cloning/

Since the Left seems immovable in their quest to continue encouraging the carnage, is civil war the only answer?
Will Americans eventually be forced to take back the nation by any means necessary? Or will we simply continue the slide into 3rd world status?
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*yawn*

Violence of all types has been decreasing almost every year for the past two decades. Did you think it would simply continue to decrease? Just as in the stock market and in climate records and almost every other macro-scale metric, there WILL be ups and downs, and it's a great mistake to look at what's happening in one or two years and assume that such is a sign that the world's going to hell in a handbasket. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned, or that adjustments shouldn't be made, but it does mean that the proper perspective is the long-term prospective, as in "one or two years of increase do not by any means invalidate the nearly unprecedented two decades of decrease".
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
*yawn*
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What a foolish, ignorant,mean spirited (but totally expected Progressive) response. Apparently you are in a safety cocoon, totally oblivious to that's happening in Germany and any place where immigration is rampant.
Gangs have long been a terrible problem south of the border. Your people's Progressive agenda is accelerating the problem and putting American lives at risk....and all you can do is "Yawn" ?

It is insulting to anyone who has lost a loved one due to gang related or immigrant/refugee related violence to have anyone callously "Yawn" at their losses.
You probably live in a violence prone "liberal safety zone".
Remember that someone will yawn when it's your turn.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
So are American citizens supposed to just sit back and watch our families and friends get murdered, raped and robbed because the left wants votes?

Is that the best Americans can do?
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Just another reason to seriously curtail gun ownership.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
*yawn*

Violence of all types has been decreasing almost every year for the past two decades. Did you think it would simply continue to decrease? Just as in the stock market and in climate records and almost every other macro-scale metric, there WILL be ups and downs, and it's a great mistake to look at what's happening in one or two years and assume that such is a sign that the world's going to hell in a handbasket. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned, or that adjustments shouldn't be made, but it does mean that the proper perspective is the long-term prospective, as in "one or two years of increase do not by any means invalidate the nearly unprecedented two decades of decrease".
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Hilary and her policies encourage gang violence...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Just another reason to seriously curtail gun ownership.
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It is proven that gun ownership is not the problem.
Try to remember that guns don't kill people...PEOPLE kill people. Be it with knives, bats, vehicles, bombs or whatever.

Until we find a way to stop the breeding of individuals who kill without remorse, for petty reasons and for criminal reasons, the problem will persist with or without guns.

Frankly, today I feel more inclined to carry a gun than at any time past.
Guns are flowing across the borders en masse. There is a huge black market for weapons coming from south of the border.

If we disarm Americans now, ONLY INNOCENT AMERICANS will be disarmed.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
It is proven that gun ownership is not the problem.
Try to remember that guns don't kill people...PEOPLE kill people. Be it with knives, bats, vehicles, bombs or whatever.

Until we find a way to stop the breeding of individuals who kill without remorse, for petty reasons and for criminal reasons, the problem will persist with or without guns.

Frankly, today I feel more inclined to carry a gun than at any time past.
Guns are flowing across the borders en masse. There is a huge black market for weapons coming from south of the border.

If we disarm Americans now, ONLY INNOCENT AMERICANS will be disarmed.
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Right. Prove guns dont lead tongreater human death.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
*yawn*

Violence of all types has been decreasing almost every year for the past two decades. Did you think it would simply continue to decrease? Just as in the stock market and in climate records and almost every other macro-scale metric, there WILL be ups and downs, and it's a great mistake to look at what's happening in one or two years and assume that such is a sign that the world's going to hell in a handbasket. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned, or that adjustments shouldn't be made, but it does mean that the proper perspective is the long-term prospective, as in "one or two years of increase do not by any means invalidate the nearly unprecedented two decades of decrease".
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Crime is increasing, not decreasing, and the statistics are skewed to begin with.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Crime is increasing, not decreasing, and the statistics are skewed to begin with.
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Are you claiming that the violent crime rates are as bad now as they were 20 years ago, or even close to as bad? Are you claiming that the violent crime rates have NOT been decreasing for most of 20 years? And on what do you base your claim that the statistics are skewed? What's your proof, other than what you personally want to believe?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Hilary and her policies encourage gang violence...
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Ah. So...how, exactly, is it that crime continued to decrease in New York City, if it's her policies that encouraged gang violence? She wasn't a senator in Illinois - she was a senator in NY.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Are you claiming that the violent crime rates are as bad now as they were 20 years ago, or even close to as bad? Are you claiming that the violent crime rates have NOT been decreasing for most of 20 years? And on what do you base your claim that the statistics are skewed? What's your proof, other than what you personally want to believe?
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Violent crime is on the rise.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
What a foolish, ignorant,mean spirited (but totally expected Progressive) response. Apparently you are in a safety cocoon, totally oblivious to that's happening in Germany and any place where immigration is rampant.
Gangs have long been a terrible problem south of the border. Your people's Progressive agenda is accelerating the problem and putting American lives at risk....and all you can do is "Yawn" ?

It is insulting to anyone who has lost a loved one due to gang related or immigrant/refugee related violence to have anyone callously "Yawn" at their losses.
You probably live in a violence prone "liberal safety zone".
Remember that someone will yawn when it's your turn.
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Look what you did. You pointed to the individual viewpoint, whereas I'm looking at the overall numbers, at the long-term trends...

...and the numbers clearly back me up, and you know it.

On a side note, from what I've seen over the years, this is a common conflict in the paradigms of conservatives and liberals: conservatives tend to concentrate on the rights of the individual, and so assume that what's good for the individual will be good for the masses. Liberals, on the other hand, are more likely to look at the big picture, and assume that what's good for the many will certainly improve the lives of most individuals. That does NOT mean that one way is automatically better than the other - IMO, as with most things, the best way is somewhere in the middle, neither too much of one way nor too little of the other.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Violent crime is on the rise.
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And if you look at one day's worth, or one month's worth of the stock market, you might see a rise...or you might see a fall. BUT if you look at the long-term trend for the past twenty years, the stock market's done quite well, even including what happened in the Great Recession.

So it goes with ALL trends of the human experience, whether it's crime or stocks or life expectancies or level of academic achievement. You can't look at what's going on in just one or two years and make a grand extrapolation that the world's going to hell in a handbasket - you have to look at a decade (preferably several decades) to get a feel for how things are really going.

Now, would you care to explain why it is that NYC - where Hillary was a US senator and which has a very liberal mayor and governor - has a decreasing homicide rate? I mean, if everything's as out of control as you seem to believe, then the same should apply there of all places.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Ah. So...how, exactly, is it that crime continued to decrease in New York City, if it's her policies that encouraged gang violence? She wasn't a senator in Illinois - she was a senator in NY.
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Because of stop and frisk... which she opposes.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Because of stop and frisk... which she opposes.
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Wrong. The crime rate was decreasing both before and after stop-and-frisk was implemented, and simply continued to decrease while stop-and-frisk was being used. What's more, the crime rate similarly decreased all across the nation with no respect to whether or not stop-and-frisk was implemented.

In other words, trying to credit stop-and-frisk for the decreasing crime rate is a classic case of the correlation-causation logical fallacy.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Wrong. The crime rate was decreasing both before and after stop-and-frisk was implemented, and simply continued to decrease while stop-and-frisk was being used. What's more, the crime rate similarly decreased all across the nation with no respect to whether or not stop-and-frisk was implemented.

In other words, trying to credit stop-and-frisk for the decreasing crime rate is a classic case of the correlation-causation logical fallacy.
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You just admitted crime decreased during stop and frisk. Hiliary opposed it.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
However, truth is that currently, those on the LEFT seem to be the ones contributing to the immigration problem and the gang violence problem.
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When you tell laughably absurd lies like this, it definitely increases your credibility that you called yourself "NoLeftNoRight." If you hadn't done that, I would have concluded that you were a conservative who starts thread after thread solely to attack or "get" the left. But since you chose that name, I have to conclude that you really are a non-partisan independent and your endless attack threads aimed at "the left" result from the fact that "the left" is evil but that the sun shines clear out the right's collective rear.









That was sarcasm, BTW.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
Since the Left seems immovable in their quest to continue encouraging the carnage, is civil war the only answer?
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Rabidly anti-left conservative advocates CIVIL WAR while blaming "the left" for violence.




I really couldn't make it up if I tried. Wow.
 
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