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What Do You Think of the Gadsden Flag?

Grand Mal said:
Yeah. This past 20 April (4/20) when the annual pot celebrations were happening someone I was talking to was disappointed that all this merriment was happening on Hitler's birthday. I told her that this generation had taken his birthday away from him and turned it into something else.
There's no way, probably, that the burning cross can ever be made to represent anything else but the KKK but there might be hope for the Celtic cross. Maybe if nobody ever portrays that 'white pride' version, it'll fade away. Kind of like how us old hippies never speak the name of the guy who shot John Lennon, because if he's remembered he'll have gotten what he wanted from it.
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The burning cross you're probably right, there's almost no need to summon the clans in the highlands to be ready for battle these days anyway.

But symbols like gadsden, I watched the evolution of the tea party movement who repopularized the flag, and I'm convinced that most people who use it as a symbol are not using it as a symbol of racial oppression or the like, it has no previous history of being used as such, compared to say the confederate battle flag which was used as a symbol against the civil rights movement.
 
TheGoverness said:
Or one of those sovereign citizen types.
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A Gadsden flag does not symbolize sovereign citizens, sovereign citizen movement is a wierd bunch, and there's very few of those types around, SC is different then TEA party protestors, different the militia groups, different then libertarians in general, they're a very limited spectrum of people who are rather bizarre. no I do not agree with that.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
do you go around with a confederate flag flying? I must have touched a nerve
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No, a mild annoyance at worst, because I always consider the worth of the source before deciding whether to let something seriously bother me.




The Gadsden flag is flown both by persons making a political statement, and also by individuals with an interest in history, including re-enactors. Your narrow minded views on the matter are both incorrect, and of little consequence.
 
Jack Hays said:
That concern is well covered in the OP article and requires no emphasis from me.
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I am glad you are on the side of reasonable people after all.


Jack Hays said:
There is a chasm of difference between T117's insight and MV's snide insult.
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Oh?

So you are also on board with the following quotation?

Tigerace117 said:
It's a cool design which had been co-opted by a lot of the anti government sovereign citizen scumbags.
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You should appreciate that Vegan's "dummy detector" is no worse than Tiger's "scumbags".
 
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USViking said:
I am glad you are on the side of reasonable people after all.




Oh?

So you are also on board with the following quotation?



You should appreciate that Vegan's "dummy detector" in no worse than Tiger's "scumbags".
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I prefer not to discuss other posters. One post appreciated the flag's design; the other did not.
 
Jack Hays said:
I prefer not to discuss other posters.
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Good for you. For us.

You and I have throughout been discussing the content of other members' posts, rather than the members themselves.


Jack Hays said:
One post appreciated the flag's design; the other did not.
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There is no duty on the part of respondent to parrot OP's aesthetic declaration.
 
USViking said:
Good for you. For us.

You and I have throughout been discussing the content of other members' posts, rather than the members themselves.



There is no duty on the part of respondent to parrot OP's aesthetic declaration.
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Failure to appreciate the flag's aesthetic quality suggests a failure to think seriously about it all.
 
Jack Hays said:
Failure to appreciate the flag's aesthetic quality suggests a failure to think seriously about it all.
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There is no duty on the part of respondent to think seriously about OP's aesthetic declaration.
 
Prefer this one tbh

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Tigerace117 said:
It's a cool design which had been co-opted by a lot of the anti government sovereign citizen scumbags.
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The original designer used the flag in an anti-government campaign, if you'll recall. I'm sure many here who would be on the side calling them "anti-government scumbags", or some similar rubric appropriate to the times, back then.

The Declaration of Independence states that when a people no longer deems the government to be acting in the interest of the people, when it oppresses the people, then they have a right to throw that government off. Do you agree with that or not?
 
instagramsci said:
Prefer this one tbh

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"Tread where I please" meaning tread on the necks of one's fellow citizens, no doubt.

Any anti-American, pro-Soviet piece of trash would be ok with that.

It's clear they rely way too much on free speech. If they lived in Russia Putin would have had then suicided already. If they lived in Venezuela they'd be beaten to death in the streets by government thugs. I they lived in Cuba we'd never had heard from them and they'd be in prison or dead.
 
LowDown said:
The original designer used the flag in an anti-government campaign, if you'll recall. I'm sure many here who would be on the side calling them "anti-government scumbags", or some similar rubric appropriate to the times, back then.

The Declaration of Independence states that when a people no longer deems the government to be acting in the interest of the people, when it oppresses the people, then they have a right to throw that government off. Do you agree with that or not?
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Comparing white nationalist, Neo Nazis scumbags who blow up innocents to the founding fathers is laughable.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Comparing white nationalist, Neo Nazis scumbags who blow up innocents to the founding fathers is laughable.
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Do you agree that the people are sovereign or not? Are you an American?
 
LowDown said:
Do you agree that the people are sovereign or not? Are you an American?
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Yes I am. No, I do not approve of murdering innocents because you think the Joos are running the US or some bull****.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes I am. No, I do not approve of murdering innocents because you think the Joos are running the US or some bull****.
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Don't put words in my mouth. The only violence I see these days is coming from BLM and their ilk.

As for American Revolutionaries, some of them, much to our shame, did indeed engage in what we could call terroristic violence, burning out and looting the homes of Loyalists. Torturing, beating and killing people. Loyalists did the same to Rebels where they could. "Terrorism" wasn't coined until much later, but Loyalists called Rebels deviants, traitors, atheists, and worse.

So the person who calls his fellow Americans Nazis, white nationalists, and the like is just continuing the American tradition of intimidation of one's political opponents. It was no more valid then than it is now.
 
LowDown said:
Don't put words in my mouth. The only violence I see these days is coming from BLM and their ilk.

As for American Revolutionaries, some of them, much to our shame, did indeed engage in what we could call terroristic violence, burning out and looting the homes of Loyalists. Torturing, beating and killing people. Loyalists did the same to Rebels where they could. "Terrorism" wasn't coined until much later, but Loyalists called Rebels deviants, traitors, atheists, and worse.

So the person who calls his fellow Americans Nazis, white nationalists, and the like is just continuing the American tradition of intimidation of one's political opponents. It was no more valid then than it is now.
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Of course you don't. The far right never thinks it's violence exists, or if they are forced to acknowledge it, that it's unjustified.

It was a war. Unsuprisingly, both sides sometimes committed atrocities. There's no war going on right now in America, and certainly no excuse for murdering innocent civillians and law enforcement officers.

Ignoring the fact that the sovereign citizen movement is riddled with Neo-Nazis and is considered a serious terroristic threat by the FBI is just naive.
 
I don't see how anybody could object the the message of this flag.

Who wants to be tread upon?
 
beefheart said:
The good thing about it is that when I see it, I know that angry uneducated morons are nearby.
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Yeah, they're usually the ones getting all bent out of shape over seeing the flag.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
true. we really need more historical flags like the Nazi flag, the rising sun, KKK banner to go alongside these to find the dummies, when they wear a badge it helps everyone out.
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Those who choose to ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Of course you don't. The far right never thinks it's violence exists, or if they are forced to acknowledge it, that it's unjustified.

It was a war. Unsuprisingly, both sides sometimes committed atrocities. There's no war going on right now in America, and certainly no excuse for murdering innocent civillians and law enforcement officers.

Ignoring the fact that the sovereign citizen movement is riddled with Neo-Nazis and is considered a serious terroristic threat by the FBI is just naive.
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I think you're just making that crap up. Where's a link or something? Why do we never hear about this in the mainstream media?
 
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