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Voter Fraud

natsb said:
The gain is getting one candidate elected over another.

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Let's say I want to swing the election for Hillary.

Can I even accomplish that? What do I gain from it? It's not like I'm getting a cabinet position here.
 
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foadi said:
This article is about a case of voter registration fraud, not voter fraud. Two very different things.
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You seem to think voter registration is not in any way connected to voting. Voter registration fraud is prepping for voter fraud. The two are certainly connected.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Quite true. For the past several elections, the Republicans seem to have been getting the two wildly mixed up.
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Another desperate liberal attempt to sow confusion and maintain voter fraud. Democrats are desperate to continue to be crooks.
 
Patrickt said:
Another desperate liberal attempt to sow confusion and maintain voter fraud. Democrats are desperate to continue to be crooks.
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You're wrong.

Remember the ACORN scandal? Those involved some fraudulent registrations, but not fraudulent votes. Were you aware of that?
 
Deuce said:
You're wrong.

Remember the ACORN scandal? Those involved some fraudulent registrations, but not fraudulent votes. Were you aware of that?
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Of course. And are you pretending that you don't know that the bogus registrations can be used to have hacks cast illegal votes. That's the purpose of bogus registrations, dead being staying on the rolls as eligible voters, and the sole reason was have Motor Voter laws.

Meanwhile:
"At least 86 non-citizens have been registered voters in Philadelphia since 2013, and almost half — 40 — even voted in at least one recent election, according to a legal group that sued to get voter registration records."
Illegal Voters Uncovered in Philly Are 'Tip of the Iceberg' | LifeZette

Why is there a sudden spate of illegal registrations and voting suddenly coming up? Because the Democrat machine works hard to see that there are no investigations and if some slip through they are attacked as meaningless. All that has real meaning for Democrats is illegal voters.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Would you care to show me examples of voter registration fraud that actually led to voter fraud?

THAT, sir, is the 800-lb gorilla in the room - y'all see the voter registration fraud and somehow assume that it automatically leads to voter fraud...when in reality, there's very, very little voter fraud at all.
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How much fraud is acceptable to you people?
 
Deuce said:
Let's say I want to swing the election for Hillary.

Can I even accomplish that? What do I gain from it? It's not like I'm getting a cabinet position here.
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Gee, I don't know. Why did Melowese Richardson vote illegally for Obama six times? It's a mystery what the faithful do, isn't it? The thugs that go to nursing homes and coerce the elderly with dementia to sign already completed absentee ballots have absolutely shame for what they're doing. They're doing what they're told is right and good. The thugs who march at a polling station with clubs to intimidate voters are being righteous.

It is weird, isn't it. But then, why to Muslim terrorists but on bombs and walk into mosques and kill themselves and other Muslims. It's a mystery.
 
Isn't it fascinating a three second search of the internet can put one in touch with example after example of voter fraud and leftist can't even find one instance of this happening? Anywhere. And yet they whine and demand "proof." LMAO


State Police raid Indy office in growing voter fraud case
 
Wow. Another investigation into the fantasy of voter fraud.

From the article:
"Indiana State Police investigators on Tuesday searched a voter registration agency on Indianapolis' north side as they look into a voter fraud case that spans nine counties."

Isn't it amazing. Either the IndyStar or the Indiana State Police don't buy the liberal scheme of saying fraudulent registrations have nothing to do with voter fraud. No, fraudulent registrations are just sort of a hobby.

From the article:
"Police said the growing number of involved counties leads investigators to believe that the number of fraudulent records might be in the hundreds. The possible fraudulent information is a combination of fake names, addresses and dates of birth with real information. As part of the expanded investigation, State Police detectives served a search warrant for the business offices of the Indiana Voter Registration Project in the 2400 block of North Meridian Street."

I couldn't find a link to information on the Indiana Voter Registration Project. I wonder who they are.
 
Patrickt said:
Of course. And are you pretending that you don't know that the bogus registrations can be used to have hacks cast illegal votes.
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Can be, but generally aren't.

That's the purpose of bogus registrations,
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Actually in the ACORN example, it wasn't. The purpose was lazyness. ACORN had a sort of bonus set up for people who got X number of registrations, so some of their employees just sat at the mall and filled out fake ones. While dishonest, that's not an attempt to steal an election. It was ACORN itself that flagged the registrations as fraudulent, but they were legally required to turn the registrations in anyway. (because it's the election board that actually gets to decide that)

dead being staying on the rolls as eligible voters,
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No, that happens because the election offices don't psychically know when you die.

and the sole reason was have Motor Voter laws.
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You're against people registering at the DMV? Why? Is there a reason you want to suppress voter turnout?

Meanwhile:
"At least 86 non-citizens have been registered voters in Philadelphia since 2013, and almost half — 40 — even voted in at least one recent election, according to a legal group that sued to get voter registration records."
Illegal Voters Uncovered in Philly Are 'Tip of the Iceberg' | LifeZette

Why is there a sudden spate of illegal registrations and voting suddenly coming up? Because the Democrat machine works hard to see that there are no investigations and if some slip through they are attacked as meaningless. All that has real meaning for Democrats is illegal voters.
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There are a lot of different voter fraud stories that pop up. Here's the problem: virtually all of them turn out to be false after investigation. You know how you guys keep posting "10,000 dead people may have voted in ____?" Well, the "may have" part is often ignored by the crappy right-wing blogs you guys adore so much. Actual investigations show a vast majority of these cases turn out to just be people with similar or identical names, or clerical errors. When John Smith dies, every living John Smith ends up in one of your silly reports.

So, I remain skeptical until actual investigations are finished. Because so very often, they prove that your fears are overblown.
 
DamnYankee said:
leftist can't even find one instance of this happening? Anywhere. And yet they whine and demand "proof." LMAO
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Is there a reason you feel it necessary to repeat this lie?

Or are you just so distorted by your right wing media that you think this is the case?

Did you even notice that this was about fraudulent registrations, not fraudulent votes?
 
Deuce said:
Is there a reason you feel it necessary to repeat this lie?

Or are you just so distorted by your right wing media that you think this is the case?

Did you even notice that this was about fraudulent registrations, not fraudulent votes?
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Finding examples of fraud of this type is easy, it took me three seconds. Try it. Explore, discover. Be courageous. :lol:
 
DamnYankee said:
Finding examples of fraud of this type is easy, it took me three seconds. Try it. Explore, discover. Be courageous. :lol:
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No, the lie you are regurgitating without question is that liberals think voter fraud doesn't exist.

"Rare" and "nonexistant" are not the same thing. I'm sure I'll see you post something like this again within a week, though.

Articles about "potential" fraud are numerous. But have you ever actually looked up the results of the investigations? A little harder to find, but they may surprise you.
 
Deuce said:
No, the lie you are regurgitating without question is that liberals think voter fraud doesn't exist.

"Rare" and "nonexistant" are not the same thing. I'm sure I'll see you post something like this again within a week, though.

Articles about "potential" fraud are numerous. But have you ever actually looked up the results of the investigations? A little harder to find, but they may surprise you.
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How much fraud is acceptable to you people?
 
DamnYankee said:
How much fraud is acceptable to you people?
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How many legitimate voters are you willing to suppress?

Why are the efforts to "fight voter fraud" directed at voter ID laws when the vast majority of voter fraud occurs in a manner that IDs wouldn't stop?
 
Deuce said:
No, the lie you are regurgitating without question is that liberals think voter fraud doesn't exist.

"Rare" and "nonexistant" are not the same thing. I'm sure I'll see you post something like this again within a week, though.

Articles about "potential" fraud are numerous. But have you ever actually looked up the results of the investigations? A little harder to find, but they may surprise you.
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In order for an investigation to "prove" a case of in person voter fraud the identity of the one actually casting the vote of the "dead" person must be known. Absent that, it is often simply assumed to be a possible "clerical error" rather than voter fraud. If the system is designed such that the identity of the actual voter can remain unknown after an investigation then that system has been, in effect, proven prone to allowing in person voter fraud.
 
Deuce said:
How many legitimate voters are you willing to suppress?

Why are the efforts to "fight voter fraud" directed at voter ID laws when the vast majority of voter fraud occurs in a manner that IDs wouldn't stop?
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Since when is stopping fraud "suppressing" votes?

Maybe if people would stop committing fraud, we wouldn't need additional measures. Ya think?
 
DamnYankee said:
Since when is stopping fraud "suppressing" votes?
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Voter ID laws have that side effect.

Maybe if people would stop committing fraud, we wouldn't need additional measures. Ya think?
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Maybe if people showed a little more skepticism when it comes to the single fundamental right in a democracy, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Voter ID laws stop more legitimate votes than they prevent fraudulent votes. What ratio is acceptable to you? Ten legitimate votes prevented for every fraudulent vote prevented? A hundred? A thousand?
 
"(Columbus, OH) - Yesterday, a voting rights coalition asked the federal court to stop Ohio’s practice of removing properly registered voters from its voter registration list simply because they have not voted in recent elections. The plaintiffs, who initiated the lawsuit in early April, are composed of civic groups and a longtime Ohioan who was disenfranchised by this process."
Civic Groups Ask Courts to Stop Unlawful Voter Purging Practice | Demos

This quote and link are to a liberal group since I thought that might help get you to read it. That's who doesn't want registration rolls purged of dead voters and voters who have moved. In Ohio, the Democrats found one voter who hadn't bothered to vote in two years and got purged but instead of having him reregistered they marched hin in front of a friendly judge and got the purging of registration rolls stopped. Thereby, saving the registrations of the dead and moved voters to be used by party hacks and deadbeats.

Bottom line, dead voters are staying registered because the Democrats desperately want them to stay registered.
 
Patrickt said:
"(Columbus, OH) - Yesterday, a voting rights coalition asked the federal court to stop Ohio’s practice of removing properly registered voters from its voter registration list simply because they have not voted in recent elections. The plaintiffs, who initiated the lawsuit in early April, are composed of civic groups and a longtime Ohioan who was disenfranchised by this process."
Civic Groups Ask Courts to Stop Unlawful Voter Purging Practice | Demos

This quote and link are to a liberal group since I thought that might help get you to read it. That's who doesn't want registration rolls purged of dead voters and voters who have moved. In Ohio, the Democrats found one voter who hadn't bothered to vote in two years and got purged but instead of having him reregistered they marched hin in front of a friendly judge and got the purging of registration rolls stopped. Thereby, saving the registrations of the dead and moved voters to be used by party hacks and deadbeats.

Bottom line, dead voters are staying registered because the Democrats desperately want them to stay registered.
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Really because your quote says something about properly registered voters who just haven't voted recently.

Is there some reason you believe a state should violate the law in order to purge legally registered voters?
 
Deuce said:
Voter ID laws have that side effect.

Maybe if people showed a little more skepticism when it comes to the single fundamental right in a democracy, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Voter ID laws stop more legitimate votes than they prevent fraudulent votes. What ratio is acceptable to you? Ten legitimate votes prevented for every fraudulent vote prevented? A hundred? A thousand?
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There are no “side effects,” in voter ID laws. Either you get off your lazy butt and get one, or you don’t. I have seen no voter ID law march out to someone’s home, tie them up, and tell them they can’t vote. As for your “fundamental right,” point, I see no reason why our system ought to be corrupted to the point of having our elections be determined by fraud. Do you? Is there something about fraud you find appealing over a properly administered election?

Every legitimate vote ought to be counted, who would oppose properly cast votes free of fraud? But you still haven’t answered my question. How much fraud is acceptable to you?
 
natsb said:
I gave it a good try, but I can't find that 70% reference anywhere. A little help would be appreciated.

Yes, dead people use perfectly good DOB and SSN to register. And still, we are not allowed to ask for their ID.

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I am a political consultant and specialize in ballot access for initiatives, referendum, candidates, etc. The companies I contract with track new registrations tied to campaigns we work on, 70% is the long term average. A few validation firms have recently started processing voter cards, since voter cards are a major source of duplicate signatures for us, and duplicate signatures can kill our campaigns. If we're able to track duplicate registrations, see no reason why county registrar's or state SOS offices can't. In the last decade, states have become a lot better at quality control.

Most of the dead people on the voter rolls simply haven't been purged yet.
 
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Patrickt said:
Another desperate liberal attempt to sow confusion and maintain voter fraud. Democrats are desperate to continue to be crooks.
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The discussion was about voter *registration* fraud. If you've got proof of widespread *voter fraud*, then by all means show your proof! Why? Because you'd be the very first one to prove the conservative claim of widespread voter fraud...you know, the excuse that conservatives are using to push laws that will disproportionately affect minorities and students, demographics which tend to the liberal. Of course, y'all wouldn't be making up that "voter fraud" accusation out of whole cloth, now would you? Would you?

Because the almost total lack of voter fraud sure makes it look like "making it all up" is precisely what y'all have been doing all along.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The discussion was about voter *registration* fraud. If you've got proof of widespread *voter fraud*, then by all means show your proof! Why? Because you'd be the very first one to prove the conservative claim of widespread voter fraud...you know, the excuse that conservatives are using to push laws that will disproportionately affect minorities and students, demographics which tend to the liberal. Of course, y'all wouldn't be making up that "voter fraud" accusation out of whole cloth, now would you? Would you?

Because the almost total lack of voter fraud sure makes it look like "making it all up" is precisely what y'all have been doing all along.
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I realize the faithful will accept no amount of proof and none will be found until there is a honest investigation. So keep cheering the criminals. It's what y'all have been doing all along. Melowese Richardson's early release and celebration by Democrats has been noted.
 
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