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HUGE win for Clinton - NBC scientific poll results

ModerateGOP said:
You are right on this, Trump has not held townhall style debates or townhalls with voters unless it was a small media thing like with Matt Lauer. Other than that, Clinton has the experience here. That's ALL she's been doing throughout the whole campaign! Sometimes there are less than 100 people at her townhalls on purpose. It's designed that way. So comparing crowd size only hurts Trump because no one can get close to him except the media and tabloids. The campaigns are polar opposite.
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Oh yes he has. He's held town halls hosted by Sean Hannity. Sean asks him such tough questions as "What color is your en suite master bathroom in Mar-A-Lago"?
 
TurtleDude said:
I am not here trying to convince undecided low information voters about why Hillary is a vindictive pig and a power hungry asshole. the people on this board for the most part (like 98%+) already have decided who they support. I am just wondering why you have such a tough time explaining your hillary worship. You sound like my college aged nice who keeps bleating how great Hillary is and when I ask her why I get crap like "She's so smart or she's amazing" and nothing substantive. except my niece is female and apparently is enamored with the thought of having a female president. You shouldn't be as star struck on that count
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What you don't understand, Turtle, while you continue to badger Unitedwestand13 like this, is the following:

(1) Our reasons for supporting Hillary are a mile long. There aren't just one or two reasons by themselves.
(2) Every single time we go through these lists, the people who blindly hate Hillary pile on with mountains of strawmen, conspiracy theories, and flat-out lies. They are not interested in rational debate. The support for Trump and nearly all of the opposition against Hillary is based in fear and hate, not logic. So you can understand how we might be a little reluctant to go through that for the 500th time.
(3) For every paranoid conspiracy y'all have sold out to about how much Hillary will take away our gunz and our freedomz, just like Obama never did, we have real, live, documented, historically valid reasons to fear a Donald Trump presidency.

Let me make this even clearer: If the only choices I had were Romney vs. Trump, and nobody else, I would vote for Romney in a heartbeat. He sold out his platform to the Far Right, yes, but at least he wasn't the flaming narcissist and utter fool that Trump is. If Trump were to be elected president, he would be the most ill-prepared, ill-tempered president in decades, bar-none.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh yes he has. He's held town halls hosted by Sean Hannity. Sean asks him such tough questions as "What color is your en suite master bathroom in Mar-A-Lago"?
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My all-time favorite super-squishy softball to Trump was Matt Lauer's "Are you ready to be president?" question. Not half an hour after he absolutely grilled Hillary.

Yeah, Matt, that really was a difficult question for Trump to get right! :roll:
 
Phys251 said:
What you don't understand, Turtle, while you continue to badger Unitedwestand13 like this, is the following:

(1) Our reasons for supporting Hillary are a mile long. There aren't just one or two reasons by themselves.
(2) Every single time we go through these lists, the people who blindly hate Hillary pile on with mountains of strawmen, conspiracy theories, and flat-out lies. They are not interested in rational debate. The support for Trump and nearly all of the opposition against Hillary is based in fear and hate, not logic. So you can understand how we might be a little reluctant to go through that for the 500th time.
(3) For every paranoid conspiracy y'all have sold out to about how much Hillary will take away our gunz and our freedomz, just like Obama never did, we have real, live, documented, historically valid reasons to fear a Donald Trump presidency.

Let me make this even clearer: If the only choices I had were Romney vs. Trump, and nobody else, I would vote for Romney in a heartbeat. He sold out his platform to the Far Right, yes, but at least he wasn't the flaming narcissist and utter fool that Trump is. If Trump were to be elected president, he would be the most ill-prepared, ill-tempered president in decades, bar-none.
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Hillary is good and support for her is rational

Trump is bad and supporting him or even voting for him is irrational

anything else I should get from your post?

so if taxes and gun rights and judges are my main issues-are you telling me its IRRATIONAL for me to vote against Hillary?
 
TurtleDude said:
Hillary is good and support for her is rational

Trump is bad and supporting him or even voting for him is irrational

anything else I should get from your post?

so if taxes and gun rights and judges are my main issues-are you telling me its IRRATIONAL for me to vote against Hillary?
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See, that's what I'm talking about. Right there. You didn't address my concerns, you attacked a strawman argument, and predictably, you brought up the issue of guns.

Turtle I know that you and I have fundamentally different views about the balance between individual and collective responsibility. I believe it's somewhere in the middle, where you believe that it's almost entirely in the lap of the individual. Such is a defining difference, perhaps the defining difference, in values on the left-right spectrum. There does not exist a mathematical proof for the optimal spot on that spectrum; all we can do is consider the world around us, listen to others--particularly voices who are systematically silenced--and hope that we make the best judgment. Cause that's how humans have scraped by for the last hundred thousand years.
 
TurtleDude said:
what exactly are the progressive values she supports

1) more and more big government?

2) crony capitalism-she and her husband have amassed fat cat status fortunes due to holding public office and having influence in government

3) it appears to me you think that is someone wants to expand government-that means they understand the "issues the country is facing=which seems to me means you think there isn't enough control over private property and peoples' wealth by the government

what offends you from Trump? what offends many conservatives is that Trump has for years held mainly Democrat views similar to hillary's
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Boy are you going to be disappointed if Trump wins and turns out to be a crony capitalist in the same mold. Which he is.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh yes he has. He's held town halls hosted by Sean Hannity. Sean asks him such tough questions as "What color is your en suite master bathroom in Mar-A-Lago"?
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That's a "gotcha" question!
 
Phys251 said:
What you don't understand, Turtle, while you continue to badger Unitedwestand13 like this, is the following:

(1) Our reasons for supporting Hillary are a mile long. There aren't just one or two reasons by themselves.
(2) Every single time we go through these lists, the people who blindly hate Hillary pile on with mountains of strawmen, conspiracy theories, and flat-out lies. They are not interested in rational debate. The support for Trump and nearly all of the opposition against Hillary is based in fear and hate, not logic. So you can understand how we might be a little reluctant to go through that for the 500th time.
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I missed that list....500 times apparently.
Please point me to at least one copy. I would really like to see what Hilary supporters feel are her good points.

In all honesty, it sounds as though Trump haters perfectly fit your profile as well.

You sure have a lot of personal opinions about Trump, for having just pointed the finger at Trump supporters for doing the exact same thing to Cankles the witch.
"flaming narcissist"...."Utter fool".....Perhaps he's up to there with status quo, business as usual, screw the people elitist career politicians? I can sure relate to that.
 
rocket88 said:
Boy are you going to be disappointed if Trump wins and turns out to be a crony capitalist in the same mold. Which he is.
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I'd be disappointed if he appointed justices like Kagan and jacking up my taxes

and that could happen

but its guaranteed to happen if Hillary is elected-especially if the bannerrhoids get control of the senate
 
TurtleDude said:
I'd be disappointed if he appointed justices like Kagan and jacking up my taxes

and that could happen

but its guaranteed to happen if Hillary is elected-especially if the bannerrhoids get control of the senate
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You're going to be disappointed...and then vote to re-elect him anyway.
 
rocket88 said:
Boy are you going to be disappointed if Trump wins and turns out to be a crony capitalist in the same mold. Which he is.
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I'm skeptical. I still believe that BOTH parties are having a ball getting wealthy, playing good cop / bad cop with the oh so easy to fool American people.
Our political system is in dire straits.

Trump and Hillary both have personality problems. Hillary may seem cool and collected, but she is calculating and has a long history of dubious dealings.

I don't think EITHER are going to make a great President. I don't think either will even make a decent President.
We need to flush the career politicians and start fresh with fresh rules that actually give common people some shot at rising to important political offices...and then have TERM LIMITS.

The important thing to me is that politicians and appointees FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION and the LAW and stop trying to change our nation into something it isn't.
 
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haymarket said:
Poll: Majority of Voters Say Clinton Won First Presidential Debate - NBC News

This is a scientific poll of likely voters who were debate watchers Monday night. It shows a huge margin saying Clinton won over those who said Trump won. And the bad news from there just keeps on going for Trump as it hurt him while helping her.



Keep in mind this is not a phony Drudge type poll where the audience is not representative nor scientifically chosen and people can repeatedly vote if they know how to manipulate that restriction.

This confirms what many experts - including such noted Republican experts such as Steve Schmidt and Mike Murphy have been saying for two days now.



That is great news for Clinton and really bad news for Trump. And the new Reuters poll out today seems to confirm this as Clinton made significant gains over the same poll one week ago.




Trump apologists can now stop the spinning and trying to pass off phony surveys as legitimate polls to make themselves feel better. This Survey Monkey (despite the stupid name) is the real deal using accepted and normal polling techniques accepted in the industry.
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It didn't make any difference. If it makes you feel good, well, good for you. Yay you. :2wave::applaud:sword::good_job:
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't know if you are old enough to have remembered the Gore-Bush Debates. The Gorebots constantly told us that Gore was so much smarter than Bush (and Gore did have higher SAT scores-he was in the 1350 range and Bush was about 100 points lower) and Gore, with 8 years of being VP and those years in the Senate, he'd obliterate Bush. And he was a bit better in the first debate IIRC but it didn't do anything for his poll standings. And in the end the debates helped Bush despite Gore being a bit smoother.
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Did someone say "Gore"?

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NBC has the credibility of a Platinum Amex card, in the hands of a homeless man
 
NonoBadDog said:
Did someone say "Gore"?

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I loved when the Gorebot stalked Bush and Bush nodded at him and went back to talking

there were people on this board who were showing that film clip and saying that line that the alien ambassador (Klaatu) used to make his robot (Gort) to stop its attack{"Klaatu Barada nikto"}
 
NoLeftNoRight said:
NBC has the credibility of a Platinum Amex card, in the hands of a homeless man
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The fact remains this poll was scientific and done according to accepted industry standards.
 
Now Gallup has weighed in.

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