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Conway Insists Trump 'Didn't Lie' About Lester Holt's Party Affiliation

blaxshep said:
He had 4 companies go bankrupt. Odd that you would care about that given that Obama has America at the verge of bankruptcy. In fact Dem0ocrats don't even create a budget any more they just vote to raise the debt limit every time they run out of other people's money. To be fair I don't see Trump fixing this either. We should be raising taxes and cutting spending until the debt and deficits get under control.
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LOL! You're selling him short. He's had FAR more failures than just those 4 bankruptcies.

A Complete List of Donald Trump’s Business Disasters
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You have completely failed to understand what is going on in this country.
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We kept hearing that in 2008 and 2012, too. Especially in 2012, two years after the so-called TeaParty revolution swept in and was going to rout liberals for generations to come. In fact, as late as mid-OCT 2012 I remember how giddy your side was when polls had R-Money up by 5 points. Turns out you lot continue to imagine you represent the whole country and no, not so much. Not so much at all.
 
blaxshep said:
He had 4 companies go bankrupt. Odd that you would care about that given that Obama has America at the verge of bankruptcy. In fact Dem0ocrats don't even create a budget any more they just vote to raise the debt limit every time they run out of other people's money. To be fair I don't see Trump fixing this either. We should be raising taxes and cutting spending until the debt and deficits get under control.
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Baloney. The country was on the verge of bankruptcy before Bush left office....but it's not now.

The last time congress passed a budget was in 2010...when democrats had control of congress.

Trump's economic plan would increase the national debt by 1.7 trillion.
 
digitusmedius said:
Now, now maggie don't go pulling a Trump on us by making statements like that. I wouldn't begin to use the fact that Clinton continues to be ahead in 9 out of 10 national polls and in all of the so-called "battle ground" states as an indicator that she's a lock for the election.
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The gap has closed remarkably. I'm very happy with that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A 50/50 race against Trump proves how weak the case of the elite is. This should have never happened, the fact that we are where we are as of this day proves that the elite failed and until they act like they understand that The Rebellion will continue to grow.
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Agreed.

You'll get no argument from me against the need for a change.

My personal problem is with Trump himself, but even then I will be happy to see a change if he wins.

But the problem is: I have no faith in Trump, and quite a bit of fear over the possibilities. He may indeed make positive changes, or he may be a charlatan hustler taking the country for a ride.

I think a lot of this comes with one's personal life and perceptions. If life's doing reasonably well and your personal economics are working for you, you'll pick the status quo safety of Hillary. If you're having difficulties and struggles, and finances suck, you want a change!

The saddest and most poignant thing here, is that enough of the country feels it's not working for them to the point that they're willing to take this risk. They feel disenfranchised. It's a terrible day when a majority or plurality of American voters believe America is not working for them - and that's exactly what it will mean if Trump wins! Let's just hope all those hoping for change bought into a legit change agent, rather than a self-serving narcissist who will make everyone's lot worse!
 
digitusmedius said:
I realize that. But she's starting to show the wear and tear. I'm not sure she understood just how constant and heavy the strain of defending lie after lie could be not to mention that the media has decided not to play dead on those lies.
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She definitely has her work cut out for her. I hope she's getting paid well....on the other hand, I hope she gets paid.
 
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It seems younger persons are more likely to use the word "lie" instead of the less black and white terms, such as miss stated.

It's pretty ignorant to call out lies just because there are no proof positive rebuttals.

Trump makes factual errors that don't rise to the level of "lie".
 
Moot said:
Baloney. The country was on the verge of bankruptcy before Bush left office....but it's not now.

The last time congress passed a budget was in 2010...when democrats had control of congress.

Trump's economic plan would increase the national debt by 1.7 trillion.
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Let me get this straight, we were on the verge of bankruptcy before Bush left office when the national debt was 1/2 what it is now but now were not :lamo
 
blaxshep said:
Failures are not bankruptcies. In any case how many businesses has Clintons had. Pay for play is a business?
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They don't have to be. They're failures. The man has a very long history of them.

What pay for play?
 
Chomsky said:
Agreed.

You'll get no argument from me against the need for a change.

My personal problem is with Trump himself, but even then I will be happy to see a change if he wins.

But the problem is: I have no faith in Trump, and quite a bit of fear over the possibilities. He may indeed make positive changes, or he may be a charlatan hustler taking the country for a ride.

I think a lot of this comes with one's personal life and perceptions. If life's doing reasonably well and your personal economics are working for you, you'll pick the status quo safety of Hillary. If you're having difficulties and struggles, and finances suck, you want a change!

The saddest and most poignant thing here, is that enough of the country feels it's not working for them to the point that they're willing to take this risk. They feel disenfranchised. It's a terrible day when a majority or plurality of American voters believe America is not working for them - and that's exactly what it will mean if Trump wins! Let's just hope all those hoping for change bought into a legit change agent, rather than a self-serving narcissist who will make everyone's lot worse!
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Ya, this also gives Hillary the green light to claim to have had a revelation over the week-end, for her to prove that she is worthy of being the alternative by confessing tonight her sins and the sins of the elite class. She needs to claim that the substantial support for Trump has taught her something, and that she is embarrassed that she did not see the truth sooner.

Do you figure she will?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ya, this also gives Hillary the green light to claim to have had a revelation over the week-end, for her to prove that she is worthy of being the alternative by confessing tonight her sins and the sins of the elite class. She needs to claim that the substantial support for Trump has taught her something, and that she is embarrassed that she did not see the truth sooner.

Do you figure she will?
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Haha!

Not laughing at you, but at the thought of Hillary doing that.

I highly doubt she has it in her internal constitution; she's a robotic calculating lawyer, not a warm emotive candidate.

Besides, if she says she's "now got it" it would make her #2 to the original prototype who is standing on the stage ready to tell her "See, I told you so Hillary - about time you've seen the light"!
 
blaxshep said:
Let me get this straight, we were on the verge of bankruptcy before Bush left office when the national debt was 1/2 what it is now but now were not :lamo
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By the time Bush left office the economy was in the throws of the worst recession since the Great Depression. The only people who wouldn't know that are those that were either born yesterday...or lived in a cave. Sure, you can try to revise history or pretend it didn't happen...but don't be surprised if people think you're a total imbecile when you do.


The financial crisis of 2007–09, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008-09 financial crisis, is considered by many economists to have been the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[1][2][3][4]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–08​
 
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Chomsky said:
Haha!

Not laughing at you, but at the thought of Hillary doing that.

I highly doubt she has it in her internal constitution; she's a robotic calculating lawyer, not a warm emotive candidate.

Besides, if she says she's "now got it" it would make her #2 to the original prototype who is standing on the stage ready to tell her "See, I told you so Hillary - about time you've seen the light"!
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If both Trump and Hillary get it, which one do you want as your leader?

I say Hillary.
 
chuckiechan said:
It seems younger persons are more likely to use the word "lie" instead of the less black and white terms, such as miss stated.

It's pretty ignorant to call out lies just because there are no proof positive rebuttals.

Trump makes factual errors that don't rise to the level of "lie".
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I love to contrast the lengths some will go to excuse Trump's blatant, voluminous and documented lying out of one side of their mouths and simultaneously manufacture out of whole cloeth "lies" that dems never said.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If both Trump and Hillary get it, which one do you want as your leader?

I say Hillary.
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I didn't expect that for your answer.

Is Bernie an acceptable response? :mrgreen:
 
Moot said:
By the time Bush left office the economy was in the throws of the worst recession since the Great Depression. The only people who wouldn't know that are those that were either born yesterday...or lived in a cave. Sure, you can try to revise history or pretend it didn't happen...but don't be surprised if people think you're a total imbecile when you do.


The financial crisis of 2007–09, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008-09 financial crisis, is considered by many economists to have been the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[1][2][3][4]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–08​
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Give it a rest, if you are on the verge of bankruptcy at $10T you are even worse off at $20T in debt.
 
Chomsky said:
I didn't expect that for your answer.

Is Bernie an acceptable response? :mrgreen:
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I am a socialist, I want what is best for the nation over my peculiar appetites.

I soured on Bernie once I figured out that he was not in the race to win.

I have no use for the guy now.

He was my #2.
 
chuckiechan said:
It seems younger persons are more likely to use the word "lie" instead of the less black and white terms, such as miss stated.

It's pretty ignorant to call out lies just because there are no proof positive rebuttals.

Trump makes factual errors that don't rise to the level of "lie".
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Trump states things that he knows to be false. That is indeed a "lie".

A very, very, few of the many, many examples.

...1. March 30: Trump claims MSNBC edited their released version of his interview with Chris Matthews in which Trump stumbled on abortion: “You really ought to hear the whole thing. I mean, this is a long convoluted question. This was a long discussion, and they just cut it out. And, frankly, it was extremely — it was really convoluted.” Nope; that was a lie....

11. March 17: Trump on Fox News denied that he ever accused President George W. Bush of lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. “I didn’t say lie. I said he may have lied.” That’s false. Trump said in a February that Bush “lied.”...

16. March 9: “Eight weeks ago, they signed a budget that is so bad. It funds ISIS.” As POLITICO noted, “The omnibus spending bill, passed in December, is not strictly a budget, and it’s not clear what part of it Trump thinks gives money to ISIS.”...

27. March 7: “I’m self-funding my campaign. I’m not taking money. ... I’m not taking. I spent a lot of money. I don’t take.” As of Jan. 31, his campaign had accepted $7.5 million from donors not named Donald J. Trump....

36. February 28: “I don’t know anything about David Duke,” to Jake Tapper. Trump not only has mentioned Duke in the past but actually repudiated him during a Bloomberg interview in August 2015. Fifteen years ago, when Trump was considering running for president as a Reform Party candidate, he named Duke a cause for concern. “Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a big racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party,” he said. ...

39. February 25 debate: Trump accused Cruz of lying regarding his support for toppling Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, saying, “He said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject. I was in favor of Libya? We would be so much better off if Gaddafi would be in charge right now.” Buzzfeed published a 2011 video of Trump in which he called to get rid of Gaddafi....

48. January 31: Trump tweeted: “‪@bobvanderplaats asked me to do an event. The people holding the event called me to say he wanted $100,000 for himself.Phony ‪@foxandfriends.” The Des Moines Register's chief political reporter Jennifer Jacobs contacted the group to whom Trump spoke, who confirmed that Vander Plaats was correct in replying to Trump that Trump himself was paid $100,000 to speak at Iowa's Land Investment Expo, directly contradicting Trump’s claim....
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Donald Trump is a serial liar. He's the only person in American politics who lies as much or more than the Clintons.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am a socialist, I want what is best for the nation over my peculiar appetites.

I soured on Bernie once I figured out that he was not in the race to win.

I have no use for the guy now.

He was my #2.
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I disagree on Bernie, in that he'd still be my 1st choice. With all the glaring flaws of the two candidates left, Bernie doesn't look to bad to me at all.

But of the two left, I'd probably play it safe with Hillary - but not happily. I do believe Trump may not be who he portrays himself to be in order to win the election as a GOP nominee. But that remains to be seen. However, I might consider voting for the pre or early primary Trump, when he was for single-payer healthcare, more moderate, pre-Heritage judges, and less filled with exclusivity speech. Actually, if he wins I'm hoping this is the guy we'll really get.

But my vote doesn't count due to my state.
 
cpwill said:
Trump states things that he knows to be false. That is indeed a "lie".

A very, very, few of the many, many examples.




Donald Trump is a serial liar. He's the only person in American politics who lies as much or more than the Clintons.
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It's shocking how we are told to believe a lie is not a lie.

The GOP has gone along with death panels, Kenyan birth, and a host of other delusions - and this is where it all culminates: With a candidate, campaign, and party that straightforwardly tell you a lie is not a lie.

Roger Ailes started this with Fox, and Fox eventually gave Trump the platform to spout his birtherism and eventually his candidacy. Ailes may have been be outed from Fox due to his sexual activity, but now him & Trump have formed the partnership for each-other's ultimate goal - the Presidency.

Since his tenure with Nixon, Aile's has had the goal of using his media talents to place a candidate in the White House. Check-out "The Loudest Voice in the Room", by Gabriel Sherman. It's well written, well researched, with an exhaustive bibliography and thorough index. It abounds with citations, making it acceptably scholarly and academic while still remaining an entertaining read.
 
Chomsky said:
It's shocking how we are told to believe a lie is not a lie.

The GOP has gone along with death panels, Kenyan birth, and a host of other delusions - and this is where it all culminates: With a candidate, campaign, and party that straightforwardly tell you a lie is not a lie.

Roger Ailes started this with Fox, and Fox eventually gave Trump the platform to spout his birtherism and eventually his candidacy. Ailes may have been be outed from Fox due to his sexual activity, but now him & Trump have formed the partnership for each-other's ultimate goal - the Presidency.

Since his tenure with Nixon, Aile's has had the goal of using his media talents to place a candidate in the White House. Check-out "The Loudest Voice in the Room", by Gabriel Sherman. It's well written, well researched, with an exhaustive bibliography and thorough index. It abounds with citations, making it acceptably scholarly and academic while still remaining an entertaining read.
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Sure. And we can discuss hands up don't shoot, and claims of Bush culpability in the 9/11 attacks. No one wants truth. They want validation.

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cpwill said:
Sure. And we can discuss hands up don't shoot, and claims of Bush culpability in the 9/11 attacks. No one wants truth. They want validation.

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I focused on Trump & Ailes because they are the topic here, but you are right: This FUD bonanza is throughout our current society.
 
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