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Appeals court rules Ohio voter purge illegal

Sparky2 said:
Yes.
There is an ongoing State investigation into many instances of dead people voting in Colorado.
This is current news.
Dead people voting in Colorado | Washington Examiner

Los Angeles, California.
CBS2 Investigation Uncovers Votes Being Cast From Grave Year After Year « CBS Los Angeles

Fraud: CBS News Discovers Hundreds of Dead Voters in Greater Los Angeles - Guy Benson

Nation-wide.
https://ballotpedia.org/Dead_people_voting

I mean, we can stick our head in the sand, and say, "Wowee, those nutty people in that other (hated) Party, they sure do like to make up stuff about voter-fraud," but the reality is that the playing field is not level, there is voter fraud going on, and the potential for voter fraud in the next election is enormous.

Is that fair, or am I just smoking dope here?
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"We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred," said Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams.
Several instances is what, 4 maybe? What's the number? Nothing specific nor, apparently, significant by any interpretive measure.

In California, that adds up to about .0000138% of 18M votes cast in 2012. I do think, though, that California should comply with the Help America Vote Act of 2002, which is aimed at “dead voters” and which all other states comply with. It will be interesting to see what the LA Registrar investigation “digs up”. The vast majority of those dead voters are still registered.

In New York:

“…a database of 77 million records of deaths dating to 1937." That study resulted in a final estimate of as many as 77,000 dead people on its rolls, and that as many as 2,600 of them had cast votes from the grave.”
From how the above is stated, it could mean 2,600 dead voters from 1933 to 2006. I tried to check the source at the footnote, but got an error page.

However small this problem is, and it is, California is lax in not adopting the Vote Act of 2002. I don’t see an insignificant problem in Colorado, nor any confirmed evidence to even consider in New York. Your statement “…the potential for voter fraud in the next election is enormous.” is pure hyperbole. The whole of what you present is hardly “viable” to justify any real “concern”.
 
JANFU said:
The GOP has created the fantasy of rampant voter corruption, from 10s of thousands and higher of illegals voting and other voting more than once.
In a recent case that was overturned they could not provide evidence of this.
Odd how all these fantasies rolled into a law deprive the poor-minorities from exercising their right to vote.
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So proving you are alive, and who you say you are is a republican/democrat thing?

It sounds like an American thing to me....

And I have zero issue with free national ID cards.....

Hell I wouldn't mind using fingerprints...we have the technology

Once your fingerprints are registered at birth, or when you become a citizen, you are allowed to vote

One time setup and all this crap would be done....
 
gdgyva said:
So proving you are alive, and who you say you are is a republican/democrat thing?

It sounds like an American thing to me....

And I have zero issue with free national ID cards.....

Hell I wouldn't mind using fingerprints...we have the technology

Once your fingerprints are registered at birth, or when you become a citizen, you are allowed to vote

One time setup and all this crap would be done....
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Fingerprinting all would provide the Govt with to much information. Would not survive a court challenge.
 
gdgyva said:
So proving you are alive, and who you say you are is a republican/democrat thing?

It sounds like an American thing to me....

And I have zero issue with free national ID cards.....

Hell I wouldn't mind using fingerprints...we have the technology

Once your fingerprints are registered at birth, or when you become a citizen, you are allowed to vote

One time setup and all this crap would be done....
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I agree 100%.
:)
 
JANFU said:
Fingerprinting all would provide the Govt with to much information. Would not survive a court challenge.
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You don't want ID cards, or fingerprints

What exactly is your plan to determine who is and who isn't legally allowed to vote?

Forget if fraud has happened before, why keep a system open to the possibility of fraud?

Why?
 
bluesmoke said:
Allowing people to vote by mail has never proved to increase voter fraud. There is next to zero voter fraud over many years of research as it is. I don't see any problem with automatically registering eligible citizens when they come of age. Again, be cause is practically and has been practically no voter fraud. If there is one party that refuses to acknowledge those facts, it's the Republican party, looking for a way to protect us against the boogie man that isn't there and for which there is no likelihood of being there in the future.
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I beg to differ. "Never" is a pretty strong word.
CBS4 Investigation Finds Dead Voters Casting Ballots In Colorado « CBS Denver
DENVER (CBS4) – A CBS4 investigation has found multiple cases of dead men and women voting in Colorado months and in some cases years after their deaths, a revelation that calls into question safeguards designed to prevent such occurrences.

“We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred,” said Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams after reviewing the CBS4 findings. “It shows there is the potential for fraud.”
The cases of dead men and women casting ballots ranged from El Paso County in southern Colorado to Denver and Jefferson County. CBS4 discovered the fraudulent voting by comparing databases of voting histories in Colorado against a federal death database.
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Colorado is a mail in ballot state.
 
The 2012 the video of the a GOP leader in PA. bragging that the new PA 'voter ID' laws would guarantee a Romney victory in PA. That let the cat out of the bag about what these voter ID laws are all about.

In 2016 the North Carolina Legislators asking for and receiving a report on how to specifically target Black voters and keep them from voting let the rest of the cats out of the bag. The court even called what the NC legislators were doing as 'surgically targeting Black voters'.

The courts everywhere in the US know exactly what the Republican States are doing. And who they are targeting, and why.

And I'll say it again, Yet the Republicans continue to scratch their little heads wondering why Blacks don't vote Republican. It is a mystery. lol
 
gdgyva said:
You don't want ID cards, or fingerprints

What exactly is your plan to determine who is and who isn't legally allowed to vote?

Forget if fraud has happened before, why keep a system open to the possibility of fraud?

Why?
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I only stated fingerprints. Making State ID easily and readily available is good. But I believe it was Wisconsin that shut down, for the most part early voting. Restricting places to vote that added a substantial burden as many people would have to travel a long distance. IIRC this was also addressed as a fault in overturning their Voter law
 
apdst said:
Too many Liberal activist judges in the country.
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Do you think the GOP is an inclusive Party. That would represent the poor, gays, SSM, and ethnic minorities in a fair manner?
 
JANFU said:
I messed up on that. Thank you
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No sweat, I don't normally consider The Hill a blog and had to look carefully to see it. I usually find The Hill to be a very good news source.


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WorldWatcher said:
No sweat, I don't normally consider The Hill a blog and had to look carefully to see it. I usually find The Hill to be a very good news source.


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It is an excellent source. And yes noting the story originates from a Blog is sometimes difficult.
 
JANFU said:
Do you think the GOP is an inclusive Party. That would represent the poor, gays, SSM, and ethnic minorities in a fair manner?
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I think the GOP is a party that would try harder to lower the number of poor people.
 
Sparky2 said:
That's your opinion, sir.
You are wrong like two nuns in a hot tub, but you are entitled to that wrong opinion.

God bless.
;)
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It is objectively accurate to say you are wrong, but you are entitled to your wrong opinion. you should check out the brennan center study on voter fraud, some actual facts may enlighten you.
 
Deuce said:
It is objectively accurate to say you are wrong, but you are entitled to your wrong opinion. you should check out the brennan center study on voter fraud, some actual facts may enlighten you.
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Deuce,

Go back and read each and ever one of my posts in this thread.
Read them with an objective, (non-partisan) eye.

You will not only change your opinion, you will withdraw this admonition for me to review The Brennan Center's 'study' on voter fraud.
The Brennan Center is but a sub-set of NYU, a notoriously-left-leaning coven of liberal kooks, hairy-legged hippie chicks, witches, and warlocks.

I view their 'study' with the same objective eye that I view press releases from either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Which is to say, with extreme skepticism.

;)
 
Sparky2 said:
Yes.
There is an ongoing State investigation into many instances of dead people voting in Colorado.
This is current news.
Dead people voting in Colorado | Washington Examiner

Los Angeles, California.
CBS2 Investigation Uncovers Votes Being Cast From Grave Year After Year « CBS Los Angeles

Fraud: CBS News Discovers Hundreds of Dead Voters in Greater Los Angeles - Guy Benson

Nation-wide.
https://ballotpedia.org/Dead_people_voting

I mean, we can stick our head in the sand, and say, "Wowee, those nutty people in that other (hated) Party, they sure do like to make up stuff about voter-fraud," but the reality is that the playing field is not level, there is voter fraud going on, and the potential for voter fraud in the next election is enormous.

Is that fair, or am I just smoking dope here?
:confused:
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I have absolutely no problem with a periodic removal of deceased persons from the voting rolls.

But as I understand it, the Ohio law has to do with living citizens being removed from the rolls.

How does removing live citizens from the voting rolls cure a problem of dead people voting?
 
Sparky2 said:
So, all of your Party politics aside, let me ask you this;

If a certain number of registered voters haven't shown up to the the polls in many years,
and the State (who obviously employs incompetent rubes) doesn't have a mechanism to weed-out the registered voters who have DIED in the past few years,
what exactly is wrong with their elections commission sending out post-cards to registered voters, informing them that they are being removed from the rolls unless they call or visit the County Courthouse?

Because that is what the Ohio Appeals Court just struck down.

Can you describe what was wrong with that proposed process?
All the (still living) registered voters had to do was to call or visit the Courthouse.

As it is now, family members of long-deceased registered voters will be able to vote in their place.
In essence, voting twice.
Which is illegal, unfair, and wrong.

Is that a desirable situation, in your mind?
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This is the second presidential election that Husted has pulled this stunt and been smacked down by the courts. Just because you haven't cast a ballot in six years doesn't mean you're dead and he once again employed twisted logic in an attempt to justify it. If you want to remove dead people from the rolls then you bump it up against death certificates. You don't just erase people on the grounds that "If this is a really important thing to you in your life, voting, you would probably would have done so within a six-year period." **** him.
 
gdgyva said:
Whether it is a problem or not, why leave the window open for someone to use it?

What reason could there be for not making sure voters only get to vote once, and only for themselves?
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I agree that dead people would be removed from the voting rolls. However the Ohio law was removing live citizens from the rolls.

Those are two very different things.
 
Sparky2 said:
I did not mention voting by mail.
(I am a Veteran, and there were many times while deployed that I could only vote by mail, so thank you for that, if you were involved in such matters, a few decades ago.)

If, by 'boogie man', you are referring to voter-fraud, I must politely disagree.
It's a viable concern, and to leave the door open for it is simply irresponsible.

One person, one vote.
And I want EVERY person to vote.
Democrats like you, Republicans like your neighbor, Independents like me, and of course, all the undecideds.

Nothing stands in our way except for crooks looking to parlay some politically-correct nonsense in the courts, and looking for an unfair advantage.
Let's keep it simple, keep it legal, keep it for registered voters and US citizens only, and keep it ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.

Thanks.
:)
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Show me the rampant voter fraud you are talking about. Don't just talk it. You made the claim in this thread. Now back it up with some hard data.
 
danarhea said:
Show me the rampant voter fraud you are talking about. Don't just talk it. You made the claim in this thread. Now back it up with some hard data.
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danarhea,

This was my post much earlier in this same thread.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...hio-voter-purge-illegal-2.html#post1066350625

The issue of people committing voting fraud by using dead people's identities;
Its a very real and disturbing notion.
And nobody should view it as a laughing matter.

Let me ask you, since you seem so passionate about the topic;

Let's say that your Congresswoman, Sheila Jackson Lee, for instance (and this is purely hypothetical) were to push for a motion to outlaw Texas's current Voter ID statutes.
And further, to prohibit the screening of the voter rolls of her Congressional District (pretty much the city of Houston, and nothing more) to make sure that deceased people were not on those lists.

Would you enthusiastically support her in that endeavor, or would you scratch your head for a moment, and say to yourself, "Hmmmmm. Whats wrong with showing an valid ID when you show up to vote? And what's wrong with removing the names of dead people from the voter rolls?"

Just curious, sir.
:lol:

And by the way, "rampant voter fraud" are your words, not mine.

In this thread I have used the words, "a viable concern," and "the potential for voter fraud in the next election is enormous".

I stand by those words.
Any Party or group looking to find a way to commit voter fraud should be arrested, not celebrated and/or encouraged.
You do agree with those words, right?
 
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Sparky2 said:
Deuce,

Go back and read each and ever one of my posts in this thread.
Read them with an objective, (non-partisan) eye.

You will not only change your opinion, you will withdraw this admonition for me to review The Brennan Center's 'study' on voter fraud.
The Brennan Center is but a sub-set of NYU, a notoriously-left-leaning coven of liberal kooks, hairy-legged hippie chicks, witches, and warlocks.

I view their 'study' with the same objective eye that I view press releases from either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Which is to say, with extreme skepticism.

;)
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You didn't view their study with anything because you never read it.
 
Deuce said:
You didn't view their study with anything because you never read it.
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I don't watch television either.

Would you care to criticize that objective choice as well?

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School is a profoundly left-leaning 'law and public policy institute'.
They have been criticized in the past for exercising left-wing bias in their 'studies', and I'm not into reading the bilious partisan-Political nonsense.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't read studies and/or reports from the notoriously right-wing institutes either.
The Manhattan Institute For Policy Research, for instance. I pay them no mind.
The Cato Institute is one that espouses libertarian views, but they have ties to many right-leaning organizations, and so I view their products with the same jaundiced eye that I do The Brennan Center.

I offer no apologies for remaining both this objective, this hard-headed, and this independent.
I don't trust your political Parties, and I have no use for their media conduits.

But I stand by my earlier statements;
If there is one of your political Parties that seems to consistently push for legislation and policy that encourages voter fraud, it is the Democrats.
It's plain for all to see, and it's the 800 pound gorilla in the middle of the voting booth.
:peace
 
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