militarty times poll shows hillary with virtually no support among military

you gotta figure that anyone that joins the military thinking Iraq is some sort of patriotic mission isnt really good at figuring things out

Perotista said:

Subjective yes. All I can tell you is a lot of Vietnam Vets think he trashed our POW's in Hanoi and wouldn't want to become one if Trump was CINC because Trump thinks being captured is being a bad soldier. Whether or not Trump meant what he said in the way you state or not has become mostly irrelevant as that is not the way it was taken. For two months after Trump said what he did, at the VFW meetings that was all that was talked about. To put it mildly, Trump was put into the same category as Hanoi Jane who famous or infamous photograph of pretending to shoot down American planes was taken. I will not repeat the language used, but will state it was GI language.

Then he trashed a gold star family who lost a son in Iraq doing his country's duty. Trump isn't one most of us vets want as CINC. That is why quite a few are taking a pass. Trump may indeed win the military vote 40-15 over Clinton, but that leaves 45% of the military taking a pass refusing to choose between Trump and Clinton or voting third party. Being that 45% will probably not be voting the exit polls may actually show Trump winning the military vote something like 70-30 or 60-40, but it won't count the half who said the heck with it and refused to choose.

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Your first paragraph - I believe ya. Trump mentioned a few weeks ago that he had some regrets, and I think that his comment about McCain was one of them. Frankly, I had come on board with Trump shortly before he said that, but after he said it, I came close, real close, to dropping my support for him. So don't get me wrong, that comment ticked me off as well, as I have so much respect and admiration for everyone who has served in our armed forces - they are the best of the best. We would have no country if it wasn't for these outstanding people.

Sorry, but your second paragraph which I think you are equating Khan the father with the McCain comment, doesn't equate. I'm new to this excellent forum, but I would have to believe the father Khan thing has already been discussed somewhere else, so I'll leave it at this. Khan's son, I have the ultimate respect and admiration for - however father Khan is nothing more than a political hack who is angry at Trump for his viewpoint about Muslim immigration.

RetiredUSN said:

It doesn't matter what the military thinks because we are only 4/5ths of a vote.

The handling of absentee ballots over the years has been disgraceful. A study by MIT found that 21% of them are never counted.

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Saddening but true, I think the study was overly generous with what votes were counted. In my opinion the military vote should be counted first and the results kept closed/hidden until election day. Its pretty sad that we can’t accommodate the people that sacrifice the most for their country.

Stephen50right said:

Your first paragraph - I believe ya. Trump mentioned a few weeks ago that he had some regrets, and I think that his comment about McCain was one of them. Frankly, I had come on board with Trump shortly before he said that, but after he said it, I came close, real close, to dropping my support for him. So don't get me wrong, that comment ticked me off as well, as I have so much respect and admiration for everyone who has served in our armed forces - they are the best of the best. We would have no country if it wasn't for these outstanding people.

Sorry, but your second paragraph which I think you are equating Khan the father with the McCain comment, doesn't equate. I'm new to this excellent forum, but I would have to believe the father Khan thing has already been discussed somewhere else, so I'll leave it at this. Khan's son, I have the ultimate respect and admiration for - however father Khan is nothing more than a political hack who is angry at Trump for his viewpoint about Muslim immigration.

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That could be, but one has to be careful how one phrases these things. Trump came across as attacking a gold star family. Trump would have been better off to just let Khan have his say at the Democratic Convention and say nothing. Everyone knows at the conventions the idea is to put the other party's nominee down. Nothing would have been made of it and no one would have thought anything less if Trump just let Khan, the father comments roll off his back.

Even if you're right, it shows the thin skin Trump has. Anyone who ever said anything bad about him, Trump has come firing back with both barrels blazing. He has made many enemies where he needn't have made any. Trump could have had a united GOP instead of a fractured one if he hadn't started all those feuds between him and the Bush's, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Ryan, McCain, and others. They have supporters too and if one makes some of his supporters more angry at you than the opposition Democrats, they're not going to support you. I have seen this happen before.

With a smaller base vote, Trump needs a unified Republican Party to beat Clinton. He doesn't have it. That is mostly his own fault.

As an Army Veteran, let me tell you that this the military is not representative of the public as a whole, and that the divide between the armed forces and the people is only growing.

Warning: I'm about to go off on a tangent.

There is a massive divide between the people in our armed forces and the general population of the United States who the military has sworn an oath to protect.

I speak from personal experience as a veteran when I say that the military is reactionary, dominated by privileged white males, and a generally negative place to be for anybody who doesn't subscribe to Fox News.

The sexual assault rate for female servicemembers puts even college campuses to shame: Protect Our Defenders » Military Sexual Assault Fact Sheet

The military is still majority right wing, even as this country becomes more and more progressive and forward thinking: Military no less conservative, but less Republican, survey finds - Washington Times

Speaking from personal experience at numerous Army bases, including Fort Bragg, guess what was literally the ONLY channel played in the DFAC (cafeteria) or hospital waiting area tv's? Yup, it was Fox News.

Christian fundamentalism is rampant in the armed forces: Fundamentalist Religion Rampant in U.S. Armed Forces, Says National Security Expert | Center for Inquiry

In fact, racial and religious discrimination got so bad at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris island that a Muslim recruit was hazed to death by bigoted, violent Drill Instructors: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us...ines.html?_r=0

No wonder the right wing loves to funnel so much money into the military budget. The military is made up of fundamentalist Christian, deeply racist, and violent misogynistic people like them.

The bottom line is that while the people of the United States get more educated, become more tolerant and forward thinking, the military is severely lagging behind, and at odds with the people they swore an oath to defend. As I veteran, I can say that this situation needs to be changed, otherwise, we run the risk of having a runaway military completely at odds with the citizens whom it is beholden to, such as in 1930's Japan or 1970's Latin America.

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US military favors Trump and Johnson over Clinton


A new poll suggests that American troops are more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump or Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson than they are for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

According to the Military Times poll out Wednesday, the percentage of enlisted troops who said they would vote for Trump was 39.8 percent and 36.1 percent for Johnson. Clinton received just 14.1 percent support while Green Party candidate Jill Stein was 1.3 percent and write-in or other third party candidates were 3.2 percent. The poll also found 5.5 percent of the troops had no plans to vote.


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this means when states rights push begins if trump don't win .... it means hillary has no support to stop it


trump will have the men.... the white men in a landslide..... white women by a little...will have the highest income earners and without the student debt which proves more wise than the college grads that does not support as much,,,,, will have the law enforcement and the military.... if trump wants states rights then that will come.... he has the power and hillary has no power to stop

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I uhh.... I kinda noticed you didn't have a link there.

Perotista said:

That could be, but one has to be careful how one phrases these things. Trump came across as attacking a gold star family. Trump would have been better off to just let Khan have his say at the Democratic Convention and say nothing. Everyone knows at the conventions the idea is to put the other party's nominee down. Nothing would have been made of it and no one would have thought anything less if Trump just let Khan, the father comments roll off his back.

Even if you're right, it shows the thin skin Trump has. Anyone who ever said anything bad about him, Trump has come firing back with both barrels blazing. He has made many enemies where he needn't have made any. Trump could have had a united GOP instead of a fractured one if he hadn't started all those feuds between him and the Bush's, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Ryan, McCain, and others. They have supporters too and if one makes some of his supporters more angry at you than the opposition Democrats, they're not going to support you. I have seen this happen before.

With a smaller base vote, Trump needs a unified Republican Party to beat Clinton. He doesn't have it. That is mostly his own fault.

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I don't disagree that Trump has a big mouth at times, I doubt if he would disagree with that either.

But you know what? Our country is in serious trouble. Serious with a capital S. Nineteen trillion dollars in debt, black riots on a seemingly regular basis, increased Islamic attacks on our homeland, innocent police getting murdered, and a foreign policy that is in shambles. I like the fact that Trump has a big mouth, that he will shake things up for positive change and get things done that our country so badly needs. We certainly don't need a low energy, physically unfit, semi-psychotic, corrupt socialist named Hillary who would make everything I just mentioned markedly worse.

SailaWay said:

US military favors Trump and Johnson over Clinton


A new poll suggests that American troops are more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump or Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson than they are for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

According to the Military Times poll out Wednesday, the percentage of enlisted troops who said they would vote for Trump was 39.8 percent and 36.1 percent for Johnson. Clinton received just 14.1 percent support while Green Party candidate Jill Stein was 1.3 percent and write-in or other third party candidates were 3.2 percent. The poll also found 5.5 percent of the troops had no plans to vote.


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this means when states rights push begins if trump don't win .... it means hillary has no support to stop it


trump will have the men.... the white men in a landslide..... white women by a little...will have the highest income earners and without the student debt which proves more wise than the college grads that does not support as much,,,,, will have the law enforcement and the military.... if trump wants states rights then that will come.... he has the power and hillary has no power to stop

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You must think the American military has been trained by the Egyptians. There's not a chance that the American military will revolt against an American President. If it came to that, the Congress would impeach any President that was deserving of being overthrown.

ChairmanGonzalo said:

I speak from personal experience as a veteran when I say that the military is reactionary, dominated by privileged white males, and a generally negative place to be for anybody who doesn't subscribe to Fox News.

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Speaking from your few years of mopping floors and then getting out as fast as you could?

Stephen50right said:

I don't disagree that Trump has a big mouth at times, I doubt if he would disagree with that either.

But you know what? Our country is in serious trouble. Serious with a capital S. Nineteen trillion dollars in debt, black riots on a seemingly regular basis, increased Islamic attacks on our homeland, innocent police getting murdered, and a foreign policy that is in shambles. I like the fact that Trump has a big mouth, that he will shake things up for positive change and get things done that our country so badly needs. We certainly don't need a low energy, physically unfit, semi-psychotic, corrupt socialist named Hillary who would make everything I just mentioned markedly worse.

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What it boils down to is each party nominated a candidate that Americans as a whole can't support or dislike may be the better word. So far around 20% of the electorate are refusing to make a choice between the two either opting for third party candidates because they detest both candidates or stating they will not vote, giving this election a pass.

Its hard to get through to either a Trump or Clinton supporter how much America as a whole dislike these two. When both are seen in a negative light by close to 60% of all America, that is historical. Who wins, probably the one is hated the least. I will not help either attain the White House, both disgust me.

Perotista said:

What it boils down to is each party nominated a candidate that Americans as a whole can't support or dislike may be the better word. So far around 20% of the electorate are refusing to make a choice between the two either opting for third party candidates because they detest both candidates or stating they will not vote, giving this election a pass.

Its hard to get through to either a Trump or Clinton supporter how much America as a whole dislike these two. When both are seen in a negative light by close to 60% of all America, that is historical. Who wins, probably the one is hated the least. I will not help either attain the White House, both disgust me.

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Libertarians had a good shot to move way up in this election cycle...too bad for them that they nominated a real dud in Gary Johnson. I think they should have found a former general or admiral, who had the political stomach to want to win, and nominate him or her instead. I guess no one was out there acceptable.

Frankly though, I believe the Republicans got it right this time. Trump has the personality and the experience to get the job done, and quite well at that.

SailaWay said:

nationalist greed is different from globalist greed..

globalism destroys america's natural advantage of the greatest natural resources in the world.... america does not need other nations but other nations does need america.... other nations being globalist can help them somewhat but harms america big time

trump is a nationalist like teddy roosevelt and will produce great progress like teddy roosevelt he will hammer the globalists media and entertainment monopoly that are drugging out the population to waste time and lose productivity

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How is "nationalist greed" different from "globalist greed"? For that matter what is nationalist and globalist greed?

You do realize the European Union is a bit larger in terms of the economy than the US? China is quite large as well with plenty of its own natural resources.

Did you see the Marriott $13 billion takeover of Starwood? Have you any idea how global their business is? Tobacco sales in the US are flat but are growing internationally. Phillip Morris International knows that is why it was split from Altria. You can deny it all you want but the major corporations are all global. I remember seeing Trump at his golf course over in Great Britain.

I like Teddy Roosevelt. He did some monopoly busting and created the first national parks. I bet you anything trump does neither if elected.

Does interacting on this board constitute wasting time on entertainment and being less productive? You still haven't answered my question about trump and English majors.

Perotista said:

What it boils down to is each party nominated a candidate that Americans as a whole can't support or dislike may be the better word. So far around 20% of the electorate are refusing to make a choice between the two either opting for third party candidates because they detest both candidates or stating they will not vote, giving this election a pass.

Its hard to get through to either a Trump or Clinton supporter how much America as a whole dislike these two. When both are seen in a negative light by close to 60% of all America, that is historical. Who wins, probably the one is hated the least. I will not help either attain the White House, both disgust me.

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Very good analysis.

There is always going to be a small group of voters who will vote for their candidate no matter how much they disgust the rest of the voters. Even Charles Manson had a young fiance waiting for him outside prison.

In this particular election that number of those dedicated voters is smaller than any other election. That means there is a huge group left without a candidate. Of that group there will be two groups voting for one candidate to keep the other one out. The rest may seek a third party candidate or pass this election.

Currently the two main candidates and their followers are feeling pretty bulletproof that no third party could take the prize away. Hopefully the debates up may reveal more about this pathetic offering and may surge to a third party.

Gary Johnson has some policies I don't agree with but overall I would feel better with him in that office than these two.

Crosscheck said:

Very good analysis.

There is always going to be a small group of voters who will vote for their candidate no matter how much they disgust the rest of the voters. Even Charles Manson had a young fiance waiting for him outside prison.

In this particular election that number of those dedicated voters is smaller than any other election. That means there is a huge group left without a candidate. Of that group there will be two groups voting for one candidate to keep the other one out. The rest may seek a third party candidate or pass this election.

Currently the two main candidates and their followers are feeling pretty bulletproof that no third party could take the prize away. Hopefully the debates up may reveal more about this pathetic offering and may surge to a third party.

Gary Johnson has some policies I don't agree with but overall I would feel better with him in that office than these two.

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You and me both. I have resigned myself to one or the other. That doesn't mean I like it. The problem is most people do not know there are other options besides the two main party candidates. It's a shame Johnson isn't covered more by the media. The fact he hasn't the money to get on TV pretty much dooms him. But I'll be damned if I will ever vote for either Trump or Clinton. That isn't a choice or if it is, it is a choice of picking your own poison. Arsenic Trump or cyanide Clinton. Your just as dead regardless of which one you choose.

Let other drink the poison of voting for either one of these two. I'll take the cool beer with Johnson.

Hari Seldon said:

How is "nationalist greed" different from "globalist greed"? For that matter what is nationalist and globalist greed?

You do realize the European Union is a bit larger in terms of the economy than the US? China is quite large as well with plenty of its own natural resources.

Did you see the Marriott $13 billion takeover of Starwood? Have you any idea how global their business is? Tobacco sales in the US are flat but are growing internationally. Phillip Morris International knows that is why it was split from Altria. You can deny it all you want but the major corporations are all global. I remember seeing Trump at his golf course over in Great Britain.

I like Teddy Roosevelt. He did some monopoly busting and created the first national parks. I bet you anything trump does neither if elected.

Does interacting on this board constitute wasting time on entertainment and being less productive? You still haven't answered my question about trump and English majors.

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nationalist greed is like family greed.... one protects the whole nation and one protects a whole family

globalists.. robs the nation.. especially if the nation has great natural resources like america does

trump being a nationalist like teddy roosevelt is the only difference that the wise needs to know in order to vote correctly


there are only 6 corporations that controls over 90% of ALL information that comes to people... those giant corporations has bought out the media and they use the media to enrich their other companies in the corporation.... and to enrich entertainment the money comes from increasing the markets and increasing the UNWISE to get drugged out and they then get them to tax high the ones with the money so they can have the money for the globalists to GRAB from their unwise and drugged out minds.... globalists wants as many low IQ voters to vote as possible in order to fool easier


Trump will hammer these giant monopolies just like teddy roosevelt did that then brought great progress for america


those monopolies would stop inventions and stop competition that does push a nation to progress