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"White Culture"

Harry Guerrilla said:
I didn't go ballistic, it's just stupid to think you can identify as any race.
Race is something you're born with.
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Identity and identification was often forced on to certain people by the dominant culture out of a need for protection and insulation from it. Every immigrant group to this country (when the huge immigration waves began in the mid-19th century) has had to suffer the racism, bigotry and discrimination from the ones who came before, often after having just one generation born here. That resulted in every group having to create some degree of insulation from the majority culture's attitudes. Of course, blacks and the native Americans had their particular insulation brutally and ruthlessly imposed on them via legal and extra-legal means with the predictable results that we're still living with today.
 
Malloy said:
What's the point of this thread? Are you denying that white people possess a culture, or?

Have you visited Europe?
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Have you?

I lived in Europe (UK,Germany,Italy, and Turkey) all of which have there own distinct cultures, its not quite as black and white as saying White culture comes from Europe. I prefer to identify as American, has a nice ring.
 
yankintx said:
Have you?

I lived in Europe (UK,Germany,Italy, and Turkey) all of which have there own distinct cultures, its not quite as black and white as saying White culture comes from Europe. I prefer to identify as American, has a nice ring.
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Funny thing is I don't think the concept of being "white" came into existence in Europe, it's origin was in colonial America.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Funny thing is I don't think the concept of being "white" came into existence in Europe, it's origin was in colonial America.
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Yup

My point exactly!! I do not need to know were my forefathers came from, I am an American, which is good enough.
 
digitusmedius said:
Is he campaigning for Trump? And is that all you're going to "take away" from a white supremacist who wants his own state because "white culture" and can't even come up with anything to describe what that is? I guess deflection from what's in the video is all you've got.
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Well your whole premise is a joke, and thanks for the clown show to illustrate its ridiculousness.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
The moon missions and Challenger Deep were not white endeavors. Just saying that they were is very racist. FFS did you hear this at some KKK site?
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They were overwhelmingly white endeavors, but that's actually beside the point. (seriously though, can you name a single black pioneer of aerospace engineering and aviation? on par with say, George Cayley, Le Bris, Langley, Enrico Forlanini, G. Whitehead, von Braun, the Wright brothers, Charles Kingsford Smith, Lindbergh, Dick Rutan, etc?)

The point I was making was that America's culture provided the environment in which such scientific initiative as the moon missions and deep sea exploration could flourish.
 
Re: "White Culture"

Gathomas88 said:
To be fair, the majority of Italian-American immigrants to the US were of Southern Italian or Sicilian descent. They mixed heavily with the Muslim Moorish population which briefly conquered and occupied that region during the Early Middle Ages, and therefore tend to have a more "swarthy" appearance than most other Europeans.

The real myth here is that the Moors were "black," and that this therefore makes Southern Italians black. In truth, the vast majority of the Moors were Caucasian. They were simply Caucasians of Middle Eastern and North African descent - A bit darker featured than the average Northern or Western European, on average, but not "black."
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While true, the degree of Moorish input is way overblown. See this study (tldr; the North African component in Sicily is <10%; Sicily is 6x more Greek than Moorish genetically) for example.
 
Malloy said:
They were overwhelmingly white endeavors, but that's actually beside the point. (seriously though, can you name a single black pioneer of aerospace engineering and aviation? on par with say, George Cayley, Le Bris, Langley, Enrico Forlanini, G. Whitehead, von Braun, the Wright brothers, Charles Kingsford Smith, Lindbergh, Dick Rutan, etc?)
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Walt Braithwaite, and I bet if we looked some more we could find plenty others. But thats probably not something you want to do.

The point I was making was that America's culture provided the environment in which such scientific initiative as the moon missions and deep sea exploration could flourish.
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American culture true, but not a single race.
 
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Malloy said:
While true, the degree of Moorish input is way overblown. See this study (tldr; the North African component in Sicily is <10%; Sicily is 6x more Greek than Moorish genetically) for example.
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Oh, I'm sure. The supposed genetic influence of the Germanic tribes who invaded Western Europe at the end of the Roman era is wildly overstated as well, according to most modern research. Nevertheless, however, the "meme" of an invading power basically hijacking the genetic make-up of the populations under their sway has remained rather powerful in Western historical thought for some time all the same, both with regards to the fall of Rome, and the conquest of Southern Italy.

As I said, given that a lot of people seem to mistakenly believe that Moorish Muslims were Sub-Saharan Blacks, this did contribute to the historical perception that Southern Italians must be "less white" than other European groups.
 
Malloy said:
That is why there are similarities between German, French, and Swiss culture, but no similarity at all between German and Syrian culture...
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There are governmental cultural similarities between the government of Syria and a former German government. Both used chemical attacks against undesirable minority communities of their civilian populaces, for instance.
 
digitusmedius said:
Then so are all the people living in the Middle and Near East; and all "Aryan" people of Far East as well. It's just silly (as well as very dangerous) to categorize cultures by skin color. If we were to be ethnologically correct we would be saying that the whole human race is black since our common ancestors arose in Africa and spread out around the planet from there. The only cultural differences we have are really based on geographic separation and environmental adaptions since that great out-migration began.
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Generally speaking yes, they're all White.
Indo-Aryan is a real historical thing, it was part of nearer human history.
They migrated.

It's not dangerous, since I have no want to discriminate against anyone.
 
digitusmedius said:
Identity and identification was often forced on to certain people by the dominant culture out of a need for protection and insulation from it. Every immigrant group to this country (when the huge immigration waves began in the mid-19th century) has had to suffer the racism, bigotry and discrimination from the ones who came before, often after having just one generation born here. That resulted in every group having to create some degree of insulation from the majority culture's attitudes. Of course, blacks and the native Americans had their particular insulation brutally and ruthlessly imposed on them via legal and extra-legal means with the predictable results that we're still living with today.
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We're largely trying to get past that.

With that said, a lot of people like to identify and remember their cultural ancestors.
I don't see anything wrong with it, regardless of race or ethnicity, as long as it is kept with in reason.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
We're largely trying to get past that.

With that said, a lot of people like to identify and remember their cultural ancestors.
I don't see anything wrong with it, regardless of race or ethnicity, as long as it is kept with in reason.
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When it involves whitewashing atrocities committed against other races, I do have a problem with it.

I don't mind a person of, say, Scandinavian ancestry remarking on the glories of the Vikings despite the horrible atrocities they committed ... but when, say, a Southerner glorifies the Confederacy and denies the explicit expressed motive for secession given by each and every state that seceded to join the Confederacy in their articles of secession they proudly signed and enacted -- I do take issue with that.
 
DirtyRat said:
When it involves whitewashing atrocities committed against other races, I do have a problem with it.

I don't mind a person of, say, Scandinavian ancestry remarking on the glories of the Vikings despite the horrible atrocities they committed ... but when, say, a Southerner glorifies the Confederacy and denies the explicit expressed motive for secession given by each and every state that seceded to join the Confederacy in their articles of secession they proudly signed and enacted -- I do take issue with that.
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You'll have to get over it then.
Some people do not share your view of their symbols.
You don't get to decide what it means to them.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's not automatic, but it's usually a good indication, broadly speaking.
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I think culture today is getting broadened but from the past when people were far less mobile, I think culture was much more consolidated in locations.
 
poweRob said:
I think culture today is getting broadened but from the past when people were far less mobile, I think culture was much more consolidated in locations.
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It's an ebb and flow.
Most people stay within their bounds and when they don't, they converge.
Creating a new culture or modifying an existing one.
Even then a culture can drift from it's origination by distance, historical and environmental factors.

All the great migrations of centuries past have shown this.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
With that said, a lot of people like to identify and remember their cultural ancestors.
I don't see anything wrong with it, regardless of race or ethnicity, as long as it is kept with in reason.
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Nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't wanting your own "white" state, as the white nationalist in the video advocated, would be "unreasonable"?
 
digitusmedius said:
Nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't wanting your own "white" state, as the white nationalist in the video advocated, would be "unreasonable"?
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We don't have to have a "pure" anything.

digitusmedius said:
There are a lot of people in this country who are not so benevolently inclined, however. There's the danger.
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I don't think it's a lot, maybe a few.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
We don't have to have a "pure" anything.



I don't think it's a lot, maybe a few.
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It's an awfully noisy and noxious "few" and I would remind anyone that history shows us over and over that it doesn't take many of this sort to cause a lot of damage. I sense complacency on your part and that is also dangerous. I'll refer you to this:

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digitusmedius said:
It's an awfully noisy and noxious "few" and I would remind anyone that history shows us over and over that it doesn't take many of this sort to cause a lot of damage. I sense complacency on your part and that is also dangerous.
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The loud ones are usually the minority.
It's a rule of thumb, but not always true.
 
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