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Man Who Stabbed 8 People At Minnesota Mall Spoke of 'Allah'[W 54]

What I can't wrap my head around is why American liberals are so cravenly pro-Islam...

Liberals criticize patriotic Christians for practicing their faith and keeping a clean conscience. They mercilessly attack school prayer and even religious-themed schools...

Yet they want to flood the U.S. with millions of people whose faith mandates a theocracy, a global caliphate... a religion which commands the deaths of nonbelievers and apostates...

How do liberals reconcile this apparent cognitive dissonance? The same is happening in Europe... the old, great countries of Europe are being swarmed with Muslims... Britain, France, Germany, many predictions predict that the Britons, French and Germans will be MINORITIES in their own countries, and yet the Left is celebrating this. But why? Obviously, when Muslims become a majority these countries and our own are going to look like the Muslim world.... which isn't exactly friendly to American liberals!
 
Contrariwise, the Wikipedia article on "christian terrorism" can only refer to a handful of incidents in America in the past thirty years, most it by the so-called "Christian Identity" types, a fringe group of white supremacists.

Eric Rudolph, btw, was not a Christian by his own admission, having said he preferred Nietzsche to the Bible.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I am not going to sit here for the next 6 hours and do that, sorry. I have a life. Go do a Google and you will find no shortage of Christian terrorist organizations, especially in the places I mentioned.

I have debated directly with you about what was going on with the Evangelicals in the Minnesotan suburbs and the many articles that came out about the Christian violence there, so I'm not buying that you don't remember it.

Of course, none of that holds a candle to the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa murdering tens of thousands of people and displacing nearly half a million.
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More like you know the comparison won't hold water when we get specific.

6 hours? I found a list of over 1200 muslim terror acts in less than 6 minutes.

Africa. :roll:


Much of it is still savage beyond Western comprehension and many tribes will use any excuse to kill enemies. Muslim vs Christian massacres are common by both sides.


Not a very good example. The primacy of religion as motive is highly questionable.


Answer over 1200 acts of Muslim terror in 2016 alone with nearly 12000 dead.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
I am not going to sit here for the next 6 hours and do that, sorry. I have a life. Go do a Google and you will find no shortage of Christian terrorist organizations, especially in the places I mentioned.

I have debated directly with you about what was going on with the Evangelicals in the Minnesotan suburbs and the many articles that came out about the Christian violence there, so I'm not buying that you don't remember it.

Of course, none of that holds a candle to the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa murdering tens of thousands of people and displacing nearly half a million.
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Those people worship animals, use Shamans, and communicate with their ancestors using mud... they aren't Christian. On the other hand, ISIS are reliving the life of their Prophet...

99% of recent terror attacks worldwide were by Muslims... why are you in denial?

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia from London and try and perform your left-wing activism there? What might happen? Of course, freedom of speech only meaningfully exists in the Christian world...
 
Goshin said:
Africa. :roll:

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Much of it is still savage beyond Western comprehension and many tribes will use any excuse to kill enemies. Muslim vs Christian massacres are common by both sides.


Not a very good example. The primacy of religion as motive is highly questionable.
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Ah, so now we've moved to goal post from "Christians are all nice people" to "'savages' like Africans don't count, even though they do count when I'm talking about Muslim violence."

Whew, boy.

Gotcha.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Ah, so now we've moved to goal post from "Christians are all nice people" to "'savages' like Africans don't count, even though they do count when I'm talking about Muslim violence."

Whew, boy.

Gotcha.
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Facts are facts. Africa is Africa and it is unlike any other place in many ways.

Again, you have no answer to over 12000 muslim terror attacks in 2016 alone, other than evasion.




 
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Malloy said:
He thinks that if he buries his head in the sand, and doesn't speak about the problem (just like our own Hussein!), it will go away.

Liberals hate it when acts of Islamic terror occur. Not because they kill American citizens. Haha, that isn't why...

They hate when this happens because it draws ordinary Americans' attention to our nonexistent national security... To the fact that the enemy, so to speak, is right here and not just thousands of miles away in the desert.
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see I dont have to make right wing paranoid stuff up.....it can be treated
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Minneapolis has had a high population of Muslim immigrants and first-gen naturals for a very long time -- decades. Pretty much my entire life, most of which was spent living there. They have mostly been pretty easy to live around, and some of my Muslim friends couldn't believe I'd ever leave the US, because they loved their adopted country that much.

Despite having one of the densest concentrations of immigrant Muslims in the entire country, Minneapolis maintained an extremely low prevalence of Islamic extremism during the majority of the era of Al Queda/ISIS compared to most other states with less than half the Muslim immigrant population, at least up until about 3 years ago, which is as far as my knowledge extends.

The reason why is because we were one of the only states that generally treated them like people, and we were one of the only states to accept them during the humanitarian crisis of the 90's.

If that is changing, it is not due to Muslims. Minneapolis has had tons of Muslims for a very long time, and simultaneously had very little extremism.

It is either due to a different sociological metric at work (which could very well be ISIS -- but let's keep in mind there have been a lot of Western converts, so it's not like it's just Muslim immigrants), or because it is losing that sense of treating others with humanity.

Neither is inherent to having a high Muslim population.

During my life there, the Muslims weren't even a quarter as scary as the Evangelicals 20 miles away in and around Bachmann's district. Which, again, was a social grooming issue. I met plenty of nice Evangelicals in the city, in other areas of the state, and in other states and countries, despite that the ones in my suburban high school routinely threatened or committed violence, and even tried to kill people.

So if we want to look at religious violence in Minnesota, I'd be careful where you cast stones.
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I live just outside Minneapolis (Columbia Heights) a block away from a mosque. No violence here. In fact the mosque is just a stone's throw from a Lutheran church, which hasn't been bombed yet. It must be some kind of miracle.
 
I think we've reasonably established that comparing firecrackers to atom bombs is silly.
 
Malloy said:
Nice to see you're an apologist for violence when it's committed by Muslims!



Bingo. Funny, isn't it, how Godless American liberals see themselves as the arbiters of who is and who isn't a Muslim. The truth is that ISIS are directly imitating the life of their Prophet, any other group is deviating considerably.

Speaking about areas in this country with high concentrations of Muslims. . . funny to see how infrequently Dearborn is mentioned. Probably because they're implementing Sharia law!
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there is no truth in what you post
 
Goshin said:
The chap in the OP wasn't an Evangelical; he was apparently Muslim. :roll:


An Evangelical Christian who uses unprovoked violence is in disobedience to the NT. A Muslim who kills infidels is in obedience to the Quran and following the example of the Prophet.
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Ah, such religious tolerance from the moderator of the religion forum. If anyone said about Christianity what you say about Islam, you'd moderate the living **** out of them. But it's OK as long as you're a Christian. No rules for them on DP.
 
Malloy said:
Nice to see you're an apologist for violence when it's committed by Muslims!



Bingo. Funny, isn't it, how Godless American liberals see themselves as the arbiters of who is and who isn't a Muslim. The truth is that ISIS are directly imitating the life of their Prophet, any other group is deviating considerably.

Speaking about areas in this country with high concentrations of Muslims. . . funny to see how infrequently Dearborn is mentioned. Probably because they're implementing Sharia law!
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Do you debate people, or just straw men?
 
katzgar said:
another pointless ignorant thread
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And another pointless and ignorant post from katzgar

I would advise you to put just a little more effort and thought into your post, but then again Im afraid you might hurt yourself in the process
 
Goshin said:
I think we've reasonably established that comparing firecrackers to atom bombs is silly.
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So how many of your "12,000 Muslim terror attacks"! happened in your town? State? Country? How terrified are you?
 
Manc Skipper said:
So how many of your "12,000 Muslim terror attacks"! happened in your town? State? Country? How terrified are you?
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So you have to personally lose a loved one or co-worker to be concerned about others dying at the hands of Islamists? And being aware is not the same as terrified. Confusing the two is a tactic used by those who wish to end the conversation by accusing someone of being some sort of coward. Basically a form of intimidation and nothing more.
 
Malloy said:
What I can't wrap my head around is why American liberals are so cravenly pro-Islam...
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Because they aren't stupid enough to to cower in fear of a single religion? Pretty sure, outside the die-hardest of die-hards, if people weren't fear mongering and trying to write off an entire religion as ebil killers omgz!!! You'd probably find more liberals critical of Islam (just like any religion).

Hell, most liberals I know aren't afraid to be critical of Christianity. Wonder why that is? Oh right, no-one sits around arguing all Christians are out to kill you. Funny how that work eh?
 
coyotedelmar said:
Hell, most liberals I know aren't afraid to be critical of Christianity. Wonder why that is?
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I'll tell you why: because Christians don't kill critics, Muslims do. It's that simple.

Why don't you go and criticize Islam in Saudi Arabia, and see what happens to you? Now what happens to you when you criticize Christianity in Italy?
 
Manc Skipper said:
So how many of your "12,000 Muslim terror attacks"! happened in your town? State? Country? How terrified are you?
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Most of these attacks happened in the Muslim world, exactly. So why are Western European countries set on importing these attacks into their own countries? It's lunacy!
 
Manc Skipper said:
So how many of your "12,000 Muslim terror attacks"! happened in your town? State? Country? How terrified are you?
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I'm not scared, because these animals know better than to **** around in my neck of the woods.
 
Fenton said:
And another pointless and ignorant post from katzgar

I would advise you to put just a little more effort and thought into your post, but then again Im afraid you might hurt yourself in the process
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more name calling, classic right wing lack of facts or proof
 
Malloy said:
Nice to see you're an apologist for violence when it's committed by Muslims!



Bingo. Funny, isn't it, how Godless American liberals see themselves as the arbiters of who is and who isn't a Muslim. The truth is that ISIS are directly imitating the life of their Prophet, any other group is deviating considerably.

Speaking about areas in this country with high concentrations of Muslims. . . funny to see how infrequently Dearborn is mentioned. Probably because they're implementing Sharia law!
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:roll:

Perhaps it's because, you know, Dearborn disproves the "Muslims are evil monsters come to kill us all" stereotype those on the far right love to toss around.
 
Malloy said:
What I can't wrap my head around is why American liberals are so cravenly pro-Islam...

Liberals criticize patriotic Christians for practicing their faith and keeping a clean conscience. They mercilessly attack school prayer and even religious-themed schools...

Yet they want to flood the U.S. with millions of people whose faith mandates a theocracy, a global caliphate... a religion which commands the deaths of nonbelievers and apostates...

How do liberals reconcile this apparent cognitive dissonance? The same is happening in Europe... the old, great countries of Europe are being swarmed with Muslims... Britain, France, Germany, many predictions predict that the Britons, French and Germans will be MINORITIES in their own countries, and yet the Left is celebrating this. But why? Obviously, when Muslims become a majority these countries and our own are going to look like the Muslim world.... which isn't exactly friendly to American liberals!
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"Patriotic Christians"

You mean the ones supporting the man who claims that America isn't great?

I'm not even going into the hysterical bull****.
 
How pathetic is it that you MUST jump to "but...but...the CHRISTIANS!!!" every time a Muslim terrorist attack occurs? Geeeezus...its almost like you are afraid to admit that it is actually happening. Or ashamed.
 
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