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Trump slams Clinton gun control policies: 'Her bodyguards should drop all weapons'...

Re: Trump slams Clinton gun control policies: 'Her bodyguards should drop all weapons

Absentglare said:
Redefining terminology to mask lies about gun control is a poor strategy.
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what have I lied about? if you liberals merely wanted laws that punish people who shoot up banks or brandish guns during convenience store robberies-etc, there never would have been a politicized NRA etc. rather you push for crap like waiting periods, registration, bans on certain types of firearms

IN OTHER WORDS-laws that only change the rights of those who can legally own guns-honest citizens
 
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Absentglare said:
No, i think that the people who are irrationally afraid of anything however loosely related to gun control are a public health risk with or without guns.
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So you won't even attempt to answer the question, got it. Does it register at all to you that someone might defend themselves with a gun, in your mind guns are only used for assaults?
 
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Absentglare said:
They are irrelevant because they are not what is being discussed.

If we were having a calm discussion about the WTC, it would be inappropriate to moronically equivocate either side with some conspiracy over nothing more than a circumstantial, pitifully weak association.
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you think the way to defeat pro gun arguments is to pretend that there is no movement to ban guns, confiscate guns etc. that's intellectually dishonest
 
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blaxshep said:
So you won't even attempt to answer the question, got it. Does it register at all to you that someone might defend themselves with a gun, in your mind guns are only used for assaults?
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Of course, and there are many cases where untrained people are "defending" themselves from their own family members, often ending in fatality.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what have I lied about? if you liberals merely wanted laws that punish people who shoot up banks or brandish guns during convenience store robberies-etc, there never would have been a politicized NRA etc. rather you push for crap like waiting periods, registration, bans on certain types of firearms

IN OTHER WORDS-laws that only change the rights of those who can legally own guns-honest citizens
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Lies in bold :

TurtleDude said:
I doubt you will get a sensible answer-his posts are all over the place and the only consistency is a desire to be contrarian towards pro rights posters-posters who tend to support candidates he doesn't like or vote for policies he loathes. His position on guns is marked not by policy discussions but rather dislike of the politics of those who support gun rights
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TurtleDude said:
the problem is-and the bannerrhoid movement members know it-is that they suffer no consequences if they are wrong. If we let our guard down and more restrictions are enacted, we lose. And if we say to the BM Members-you LIED you claimed there would be no more laws, they just laugh and start working on the next "reasonable step" or banning the next class of firearms they they pretend are too scary for honest citizens to own.

so they suffer no damages or consequences for lying.
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TurtleDude said:
your denial of the incremental schemes to ban guns is contrary to known reality and dishonest
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TurtleDude said:
you seem unable to grasp that laws the punish those who misuse firearms is not "gun control"

gun control involves laws that restrict or impede honest people being able to buy or own guns based on the specious faith-based belief that such laws will somehow trickle down to criminals
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Your dishonesty is obvious. Of course, gun control laws that, say, prohibit violent criminals from owning firearms must "impede" "honest people" in order to be enforced.

I can guess why someone would want to make sure that violent criminals and the mentally incompetent can still acquire firearms. We can trade speculation all day.

Or you could debate with some honesty on this topic.
 
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TurtleDude said:
why wait for a rape-castrate everyone and make women wear chastity belts

we get you aren't here for serious discussion
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with over 300K posts all about guns you certainly aren't.
 
Re: Trump slams Clinton gun control policies: 'Her bodyguards should drop all weapons

Absentglare said:
Your dishonesty is obvious. Of course, gun control laws that, say, prohibit violent criminals from owning firearms must "impede" "honest people" in order to be enforced.

I can guess why someone would want to make sure that violent criminals and the mentally incompetent can still acquire firearms. We can trade speculation all day.

Or you could debate with some honesty on this topic.
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1. Violent criminals can not own guns, there are already laws in place for this, it's called due process.
2. There is no evidence at all that supports a mental diagnosis correlates to gun crime. None.
 
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blaxshep said:
1. Violent criminals can not own guns, there are already laws in place for this, it's called due process.
2. There is no evidence at all that supports a mental diagnosis correlates to gun crime. None.
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If criminals aren't allowed to buy guns, is it really so unreasonable to expect private citizens who buy guns to demonstrate that they are not criminals ? Because that's precisely the form of "gun control" he's complaining about- the kind that will "impede" "honest people."
 
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Absentglare said:
If criminals aren't allowed to buy guns, is it really so unreasonable to expect private citizens who buy guns to demonstrate that they are not criminals ? Because that's precisely the form of "gun control" he's complaining about- the kind that will "impede" "honest people."
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They already do have to do that, it's required by every fire arm dealer. Have you ever bought a gun?
 
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blaxshep said:
They already do have to do that, it's required by every fire arm dealer. Have you ever bought a gun?
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And yet many legal gun sales are exempt from even this pitifully basic demonstration of responsibility.

And yet that's still "gun control" since it serves to "impede" "honest people".
 
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Rico Suave said:
with over 300K posts all about guns you certainly aren't.
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actually I am a rare poster-quantity and quality. as opposed to some trolls and baiters who have no quality whatsoever.
 
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Absentglare said:
And yet many legal gun sales are exempt from even this pitifully basic demonstration of responsibility.

And yet that's still "gun control" since it serves to "impede" "honest people".
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Bannerrhoids want to create a registration system because you cannot enforce the federally unconstitutional background check requirements for INTRA STATE private sales. and Bannerrhoids hope that some sellers and buyers-without any record but not wanting to waste time or money-will avoid compliance and then they can be labeled "felons".

but the main strategy is that if a UBGC is passed, it won't do squat to stop crime. and when there is a massacre, the Bannerrhoids will claim they need registration to police the background checks (sorry officer-I sold that gun to my buddy 6 months before the UBGC bill passed =and try to prove otherwise)

that's the real reason-that and to placate the demands of low IQ voters who demand SOMETHING BE DONE
 
Re: Trump slams Clinton gun control policies: 'Her bodyguards should drop all weapons

Absentglare said:
If criminals aren't allowed to buy guns, is it really so unreasonable to expect private citizens who buy guns to demonstrate that they are not criminals ? Because that's precisely the form of "gun control" he's complaining about- the kind that will "impede" "honest people."
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its a felony for a prohibited person to possess a gun. that has plenty of teeth in it.

remind me how the interstate commerce clause applies to INTRA STATE Sales- private citizens are prohibited from selling or buying from other private citizens across state lines
 
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Absentglare said:
Lies in bold :









Your dishonesty is obvious. Of course, gun control laws that, say, prohibit violent criminals from owning firearms must "impede" "honest people" in order to be enforced.

I can guess why someone would want to make sure that violent criminals and the mentally incompetent can still acquire firearms. We can trade speculation all day.

Or you could debate with some honesty on this topic.
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how is what I said lies. Your aberrant and random positions on gun issues is well documented. First you are for bans, then only background checks, then registration, then machine gun bans etc.

Why do we need gun laws that impede honest people. BANNING FELONS FROM OWNING GUNS doesn't do anything in terms of my rights.
 
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You have over 150k posts here and another probable 150k posts on multiple other gun forums maybe as much as 500k total in 10 years. And generally they are long vitriolic posts fixated on guns.

That my good friend is not the type of person that could be called a rare poster.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Bannerrhoids want to create a registration system because you cannot enforce the federally unconstitutional background check requirements for INTRA STATE private sales. and Bannerrhoids hope that some sellers and buyers-without any record but not wanting to waste time or money-will avoid compliance and then they can be labeled "felons".

but the main strategy is that if a UBGC is passed, it won't do squat to stop crime. and when there is a massacre, the Bannerrhoids will claim they need registration to police the background checks (sorry officer-I sold that gun to my buddy 6 months before the UBGC bill passed =and try to prove otherwise)

that's the real reason-that and to placate the demands of low IQ voters who demand SOMETHING BE DONE
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Whatever "bannerrhoids" want is irrelevant to the post you were responding to.

Your slippery slope is relevant but a logical fallacy. Whatever laws some person hypothetically could want to pass after law X is passed is not actual justification for or against law X.
 
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Absentglare said:
Whatever "bannerrhoids" want is irrelevant to the post you were responding to.

Your slippery slope is relevant but a logical fallacy. Whatever laws some person hypothetically could want to pass after law X is passed is not actual justification for or against law X.
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yes it is if the motivation is to serve as a stepping stone for another law. Or if it gets us closer to a ban, even if its proponents claim they won't go any further.

the duty is on people like you to prove-with clear and convincing evidence, that any law you want is

1) substantively able to reduce violent crime

2) is tailored as narrowly as possible to not infringe on our rights

3) is constitutional
 
Re: Trump slams Clinton gun control policies: 'Her bodyguards should drop all weapons

Absentglare said:
And yet many legal gun sales are exempt from even this pitifully basic demonstration of responsibility.

And yet that's still "gun control" since it serves to "impede" "honest people".
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What gun legal sales do you think are exempt from this "pitiful" basic demonstration and if you feel this is pitiful what makes you think further background checks will be any different? When criminals still end up with guns what incremental requirements will you be pushing for?
 
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TurtleDude said:
yes it is if the motivation is to serve as a stepping stone for another law. Or if it gets us closer to a ban, even if its proponents claim they won't go any further.

the duty is on people like you to prove-with clear and convincing evidence, that any law you want is

1) substantively able to reduce violent crime

2) is tailored as narrowly as possible to not infringe on our rights

3) is constitutional
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You want me to prove that my motives are pure ?

And you want me to do this by convincing you of your indeterminate criteria ?
 
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