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Gary Johnson, in his own failed words

Nonsense, it means it was one glaring example of how non-republican Johnson is. I'm not going to list every single position with bullet points like some posters do. Suffice it to say, 75% of his platform is identical to the DNC platform. If you're happy with that, that's your problem. :shrug:
Silly person. Abortion is not a republican issue. Abortion is not a democrat issue. Abortion is not a libertarian issue. And abortion to abortion hactivists is not an issue its a cause.

THATS your problem.
 
That you see a consumption tax as punishing consumers and not an income tax as punishing consumers is very telling. It tells me you are full of ****.

The difference is income tax is taken before you see it, so it's kinda like it never happened, whereas consumption tax is seen so it does in fact register as a punishment to consumers.
 
The difference is income tax is taken before you see it, so it's kinda like it never happened, whereas consumption tax is seen so it does in fact register as a punishment to consumers.
I dont know of a single soul that gets a paycheck with a statement that doesnt look at their pay before and after taxes. THAT is 'punishment'. Consumption taxes generally have no impact on life items (groceries, medical, utilities). In that sense, to low income individuals it would be a boon.
 
That you see a consumption tax as punishing consumers and not an income tax as punishing consumers is very telling. It tells me you are full of ****.

The earning of income is facilitated by society. Society needs to fund the conditions that allow that to occur (roads, electricity, laws, etc).

Consumption is facilitated by ... Consumption. They're already spending the money, they're already paying for the costs of what they're buying, why tax them for that ?
 
At this point I'd be kinda happy if Obama cancelled or postponed elections.
 
This is all you need to know about Johnson.

 
The difference is income tax is taken before you see it, so it's kinda like it never happened, whereas consumption tax is seen so it does in fact register as a punishment to consumers.

I see it every time I look at my pay statement and see the large difference between my gross and net. Most opponents don't like the fact that when income tax rates change, it's harder for citizens to see it, whereas it will be more readily noticed if a consumption rate changes. A consumption tax makes it harder for politicians to increase the rate, for fear of the backlash. The uproar here in Maryland when we went from 5 to 6% was terrible, and a one point increase was not what the legislature want to start with. The backlash is what made them limit it.
 
The earning of income is facilitated by society. Society needs to fund the conditions that allow that to occur (roads, electricity, laws, etc).

Consumption is facilitated by ... Consumption. They're already spending the money, they're already paying for the costs of what they're buying, why tax them for that ?

Ask the majority of the state's that question.
 
Ask the majority of the state's that question.

Moving more toward more consumption taxes can ease the burden on savings and investment. It exerts downward pressure on demand and upward pressure on supply.

Our economy is already suffering from too much supply-side pandering and too little demand-side pandering, so i think a consumption tax is a bad idea unless it is made to as progressive or more than our current income tax code.
 
In the list of his positions posted, it reads he is on board with abortion up to viability.

Yup.

Like I said. I agree with on many other things but that's more than just dropping the ball, that's being part of the problem - that's being an enemy.
 
This is all you need to know about Johnson.

Johnson might as well run as a Democrat, what a liberal.

I'm sorry undocumented is 100% BS, it means illegal and we all know it. If they were legal it would be documented.
 
At this point I'd be kinda happy if Obama cancelled or postponed elections.

You want to make Logicman go into orgasmic fits of joy at the coming apocolypse?
 
Johnson might as well run as a Democrat, what a liberal.

I'm sorry undocumented is 100% BS, it means illegal and we all know it. If they were legal it would be documented.

Exactly!

I definitely have libertarian sympathies. But open borders is nuts. Open borders would flood the U.S. with new Democrat voters! How does that advance the cause of liberty?
 
It didn't take him long to demonstrate why I'm not voting for President at all this year.

Sigh.

He still has the argument that the Trumpkins and Clintonistas use. My choice isn't Clinton/Trump. Donald Trump is a liar, a huckster, a deadbeat, and a liberal but he's not Sen. Clinton. Sen. Clinton is a liar, a crook, and a liberal but she is obviously not Mr. Trump. Gov. Johnson is a fiscal conservative and he's done what he says he will do. Neither Trump nor Clinton have ever done anything that they say now they will do. And, Gov. Johnson isn't Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

I will vote even if it's for Snuffy Smith. I want whichever lying crook wins to have less than 40% of the votes cast.
 
He still has the argument that the Trumpkins and Clintonistas use. My choice isn't Clinton/Trump. Donald Trump is a liar, a huckster, a deadbeat, and a liberal but he's not Sen. Clinton.

Trump was supporting Reagan way back when. He's been dead consistent on trade reform and immigration for decades, his mainstay issues. He ain't a liberal, but he is a pragmatist. America First.

Gov. Johnson is a fiscal conservative and he's done what he says he will do. Neither Trump nor Clinton have ever done anything that they say now they will do. And, Gov. Johnson isn't Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

Johnson will never win in a million years. He won't even be on the debate stage at the debates, like he said he would. To boot, he supports open borders and forcing bakers to bake cakes for gay couples. He isn't even a libertarian!

By the way Johnson more than doubled his state's debt in office.

I will vote even if it's for Snuffy Smith. I want whichever lying crook wins to have less than 40% of the votes cast.

Not gonna happen! Your vote for Snuffy Smith is a vote for Crooked Hillary.
 
Trump was supporting Reagan way back when. He's been dead consistent on trade reform and immigration for decades, his mainstay issues. He ain't a liberal, but he is a pragmatist. America First.

Response: He support Hillary Clinton for President, too, didn't he. He is a pragmatist. Donald Trump first, Donald Trump second, and there is no third.



Johnson will never win in a million years. He won't even be on the debate stage at the debates, like he said he would. To boot, he supports open borders and forcing bakers to bake cakes for gay couples. He isn't even a libertarian!

Response: Leave it to a Trumpkin to watch the video and lie like Donald. Hero worship is pitiful. And, I know Gov. Johnson won't win. Trump or Clinton will win and we'll be screwed. I want whichever one wins to have a miserable victory with less than 40% of the votes cast.

By the way Johnson more than doubled his state's debt in office.

By the way, your man calls himself The King of Debt. Imagine what he can do. You have imagine because what he's actually done is pitiful. And, Gov. Johnson was a governor. He wasn't a king like Obama or a Queen or King like Clinton and Trump are planning. I realize liberals, like Trump, Clinton and their supporters think the king should have the right to spend whatever he wants. Sadly, for the leftists, the Constitution says Congress spends.



Not gonna happen! Your vote for Snuffy Smith is a vote for Crooked Hillary.

And now we get to it. An Trumpkin saying that if I vote for Johnson it's a vote for Clinton. Apparently some Trumpkins aren't bright. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson. A vote for Clinton or Trump is a vote for Clinton or Trump and against America. See, it isn't hard to understand. But, all the Trumpkins have is the worn and trite lesser of two evils meme. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, and I'm damned well not doing it again.
 
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He still has the argument that the Trumpkins and Clintonistas use. My choice isn't Clinton/Trump. Donald Trump is a liar, a huckster, a deadbeat, and a liberal but he's not Sen. Clinton. Sen. Clinton is a liar, a crook, and a liberal but she is obviously not Mr. Trump. Gov. Johnson is a fiscal conservative and he's done what he says he will do. Neither Trump nor Clinton have ever done anything that they say now they will do. And, Gov. Johnson isn't Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

I will vote even if it's for Snuffy Smith. I want whichever lying crook wins to have less than 40% of the votes cast.

I'm with you. Anyone as long as their last name isn't trump or clinton. Gaylord Cumquat would do nicely.
 
Trump was supporting Reagan way back when. He's been dead consistent on trade reform and immigration for decades, his mainstay issues. He ain't a liberal, but he is a pragmatist. America First.



Johnson will never win in a million years. He won't even be on the debate stage at the debates, like he said he would. To boot, he supports open borders and forcing bakers to bake cakes for gay couples. He isn't even a libertarian!

By the way Johnson more than doubled his state's debt in office.



Not gonna happen! Your vote for Snuffy Smith is a vote for Crooked Hillary.

You're wrong about a vote for Snuffy Smith, Johnson or Stein or whomever is a vote for Crooked Hillary. Is that all Trump supporters and Clinton supporters have to tell us, those who are voting third party? Just about an hour ago, a Clinton supporter told me my vote for Johnson was a vote for Trump. Now you are implying a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. You're both wrong, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson and a vote against both Trump and Clinton.

If you guys or the Democrats could have offered us a decent candidate, you would get my vote. You choose not to. Your choice, now live with it. Look, when I go vote for Johnson and Clinton has 100 votes and Trump has 100 votes, guess what? Once I leave the polling place, Trump will still have his 100 votes and Clinton will have her 100 votes. Johnson will have one. That definitely is not a vote for Clinton, if it was she would rise to 101 instead of staying at 100. Simple math.

How about you and the Clinton supporters getting together and decide whether a vote for Johnson is a vote for Trump or Clinton. It can't be both. Yet both sides are saying the identical same thing.
 
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