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A better choice for President (No need to hold your nose)

vesper said:
Calamity, I disagree with "Conservatives are Destroying our Future".

Trump is not a conservative. He is the leader of the National Populist Agrarian movement.
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LOL....Drumpf....he wants to redistribute land......to farmers!


Seriously....where in the hell do you get this crap?
 
Gimme, you just reminded me of Trump's moronic comments on farming. I honestly do not know how anyone (in their right mind) could support someone with no filter whatsoever on their mouth, as obnoxious as an embarrassing old uncle, running for President. Help us all!
 
Gimmesometruth said:
LOL....Drumpf....he wants to redistribute land......to farmers!


Seriously....where in the hell do you get this crap?
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The term agrarian means a person who advocates a redistribution of landed property, especially as part of a social movement. Landed property or landed estate is a property that generates income for the owner without the owner having to do the actual work of the estate.
 
tres borrachos said:
I am so damn glad to know there's someone else on here who feels that way about Romney. I supported Huntsman in the NH primary, but I'll tell you what - once I got to know Romney, I was enthusiastic as hell about him.

I'm actually not overly enthusiastic about Johnson, and if the GOP candidate was Kasich for instance, I wouldn't even consider him (just like I didn't consider him in 2012). But now? I'm with the Union Leader. I'm feeling the Johnson.
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I think Romney would have made a fine president. He had two things against him, Obama being black and the weakest, lamest political team in the known universe. There were so many ways to reverse some of his lame statements, such as "binders full of women" and they chose to retreat instead of demonstrating the quality of the people he was talking about.
 
tres borrachos said:
I've learned this week that razor thin margins are amazingly real. We had our state primary on Tuesday. In my Congressional district, there were 2 main Republican candidates - Frank Guinta who is the current Congressmen, and Rich Ashooh who was my preferred candidate. There were a couple of others who got a couple of thousand votes between them, but with almost 52,000 votes cast for Ashooh and Guinta, Guinta won by only 650 votes. Just goes to show how every single vote is meaningful.
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You and I agree on something? There must have been some kind of miscalculation on those Mayan calendars that said the world was gonna end in 2012...because the world must be ending really soon now, if you and I are agreeing on something! ;)
 
Glen Contrarian said:
You and I agree on something? There must have been some kind of miscalculation on those Mayan calendars that said the world was gonna end in 2012...because the world must be ending really soon now, if you and I are agreeing on something! ;)
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Well, in all fairness, I think we agree on the fact that Donald Trump is a colossal asshole, too.
 
Gary Johnson needs to average 42% in his next poll, so he's not going to be in the debates.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
True.

Um...have you, um, considered, say, um...voting for Hillary?

*ducks to avoid slings and arrows of outrageous vitriol*
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Ha, no, now we're going too far. I can't vote for her. But I do think she'd be far less dangerous than Trump if she got in the Oval Office.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Exactly the hope of Hillary supporters. Without a third party "spoiler" it is more likely than not in a choice between Trump and Hillary she would lose. She is that badly disliked.

So disliked that her advocates have to pull out all the stops to allow for hate-labeling (racist, misogynist, xenophobe) to try to defeat Trump.
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Is shaming "bad" voters the best that she and her staff can come up with?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... Under the winner takes all electoral college system, the winner needs only 34% of the state's popular vote in a tight 3 way race (assuming that the two opponents each get 33%). Do you honestly see any way for Johnson to win even NH?

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Election 2016 State Polls
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the latest NBC/WSJ poll for NH has Clinton at 39%, Trump 37%, Johnson 15% and Stein at 3%. Overcoming two folks ahead of him by 20 points is too much to expect unless Johnson came into some big money and began to get a bunch media coverage. He needs to get on national TV to let voters know there is a third option here which can only be done with money. Johnson doesn't have the millions pouring into his coffers from Corporations, Wall Street Firms, Lobbyists, Special interest groups and mega money donors as does the Republicans and Democrats.
 
Perotista said:
the latest NBC/WSJ poll for NH has Clinton at 39%, Trump 37%, Johnson 15% and Stein at 3%. Overcoming two folks ahead of him by 20 points is too much to expect unless Johnson came into some big money and began to get a bunch media coverage. He needs to get on national TV to let voters know there is a third option here which can only be done with money. Johnson doesn't have the millions pouring into his coffers from Corporations, Wall Street Firms, Lobbyists, Special interest groups and mega money donors as does the Republicans and Democrats.
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WOW! Johnson only needs to rise about 20 points (taking evenly from Clinton and Trump) in NH to claim their 4 electoral votes - only 266 to go after that. ;)

That is highly unlikely unless he manages to get into the debates - even then, the best that he could hope for is letting the House pick somene else if nobody gets to 270.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
WOW! Johnson only needs to rise about 20 points (taking evenly from Clinton and Trump) in NH to claim their 4 electoral votes - only 266 to go after that. ;)

That is highly unlikely unless he manages to get into the debates - even then, the best that he could hope for is letting the House pick somene else if nobody gets to 270.
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Johnson's best states so far are Utah 16%, New Mexico 16% and New Hampshire 15%. Most states he is in the high single digits. As is Johnson could cause Trump to lose a couple of states to Clinton or vice versa, cause Clinton to lose a couple of states to Trump. But he won't get any electoral votes unless some mega money donor begins to back him.

As near as I can figure Johnson is drawing evenly from both Trump and Clinton nationally to the tune of 3.5 points from each. As for the states, that is just too much figuring. Johnson could be hurting Trump in some states and Clinton in others. History shows the Libertarian Candidates usually hurts the GOP candidate more than the Democratic one. But this year is unique. Johnson could be drawing a lot of disaffected Republicans and at the same time picking up support from some of Sander's former supporters which one would think should go to Clinton. Thus we have the wash nationally.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Trump would be easier to get impeached, though. ;)
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Let say Trump wins.
I seriously doubt either party is going to want him to be successful, as that may give rise to other non-establishment candidates being viable alternatives.
We can't have that.
 
vesper said:
The term agrarian means a person who advocates a redistribution of landed property, especially as part of a social movement. Landed property or landed estate is a property that generates income for the owner without the owner having to do the actual work of the estate.
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The redistribution to FARMERS.

Show me ANY proposal by Drumpf for a redistribution of land to FARMERS for agricultural use.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The redistribution to FARMERS.

Show me ANY proposal by Drumpf for a redistribution of land to FARMERS for agricultural use.
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Agrarianism is social philosophy or political philosophy which values rural society as superior to urban society, the independent farmer as superior to the paid worker, and sees farming as a way of life that can shape the ideal social values. It stresses the superiority of a simpler rural life as opposed to the complexity of city life.

Agrarians make up a good percentage of the Nationalist Populist movement being led by Trump. The irony is Trump throughout his career when he wants property whether it be for a parking garage for one of his casinos in the city or for a golf course in rural areas, if he can't get the owner to sell, he uses the courts and the strong arm of the government to try and get the property condemned using the argument that his pet project will produce more jobs for the state and a great increase in tax revenue on the property.
 
vesper said:
Agrarianism is social philosophy or political philosophy which values rural society as superior to urban society, the independent farmer as superior to the paid worker, and sees farming as a way of life that can shape the ideal social values. It stresses the superiority of a simpler rural life as opposed to the complexity of city life.

Agrarians make up a good percentage of the Nationalist Populist movement being led by Trump. The irony is Trump throughout his career when he wants property whether it be for a parking garage for one of his casinos in the city or for a golf course in rural areas, if he can't get the owner to sell, he uses the courts and the strong arm of the government to try and get the property condemned using the argument that his pet project will produce more jobs for the state and a great increase in tax revenue on the property.
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Trump is not a conservative. He is the leader of the National Populist Agrarian movement.


So how can he lead a thing he does not endorse, believe in, practice?

And WHO are the followers? Who would be so deluded to follow someone who does not represent them?


Are you playing POE right here, right now?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Trump is not a conservative. He is the leader of the National Populist Agrarian movement.


So how can he lead a thing he does not endorse, believe in, practice?

And WHO are the followers? Who would be so deluded to follow someone who does not represent them?

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Are you playing POE right here, right now?
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They don't call him Don the Con for nothing.

Republicans were convinced on Trump because of the media moguls that promoted him. The people are angry over the Republican establishment and Trump was running as an outsider with an angry message. But Don the Con is no Conservative and a fake Republican. It was a concerted effort by Drudge to highlight pro Trump pieces while directing their viewers to negative pieces on other candidates. Steve Bannon's Breitbart, FOX News, and pseudo-Conservative talk show hosts such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh and Savage used their microphones, their programing and written commentary to promote Trump while being very critical of the other candidates running in the primary. These are all sources where Republicans use especially during an election cycle to get information on candidates and they were deceived. There's also the factor that a good number of Independents and Democrats voted for Trump in open primaries that resulted in him getting the nomination.

You know I noticed all the names I mentioned were also Birthers like Trump. Go figure.
 
vesper said:
They don't call him Don the Con for nothing.

Republicans were convinced on Trump because of the media moguls that promoted him. The people are angry over the Republican establishment and Trump was running as an outsider with an angry message. But Don the Con is no Conservative and a fake Republican. It was a concerted effort by Drudge to highlight pro Trump pieces while directing their viewers to negative pieces on other candidates. Steve Bannon's Breitbart, FOX News, and pseudo-Conservative talk show hosts such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh and Savage used their microphones, their programing and written commentary to promote Trump while being very critical of the other candidates running in the primary. These are all sources where Republicans use especially during an election cycle to get information on candidates and they were deceived. There's also the factor that a good number of Independents and Democrats voted for Trump in open primaries that resulted in him getting the nomination.

You know I noticed all the names I mentioned were also Birthers like Trump. Go figure.
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Yer not addressing anything that I wrote, yer diatribing.

Lets cut to the chase, how did you come to the conclusion that:

He is the leader of the National Populist Agrarian movement.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yer not addressing anything that I wrote, yer diatribing.

Lets cut to the chase, how did you come to the conclusion that:

He is the leader of the National Populist Agrarian movement.
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There is no chase need. You have already been given the reason.
Once again......

Because of the people in the media who promoted him also promote Nationalist Populism. They propped him up as the leader of "the movement". Bannon and Ailes two big media moguls are now part of Trump's campaign.
 
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