• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

How Donald Trump retooled his charity to spend other people’s money

Unitedwestand13

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
20,738
Reaction score
6,290
Location
Sunnyvale California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
Something to mull over

he Donald J. Trump Foundation is not like other charities. An investigation of the foundation — including examinations of 17 years of tax filings and interviews with more than 200 individuals or groups listed as donors or beneficiaries — found that it collects and spends money in a very unusual manner.

For one thing, nearly all of its money comes from people other than Trump. In tax records, the last gift from Trump was in 2008. Since then, all of the donations have been other people’s money — an arrangement that experts say is almost unheard of for a family foundation.

Trump then takes that money and generally does with it as he pleases. In many cases, he passes it on to other charities, which often are under the impression that it is Trump’s own money.

In two cases, he has used money from his charity to buy himself a gift. In one of those cases — not previously reported — Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.

Money from the Trump Foundation has also been used for political purposes, which is against the law. The Washington Post reported this month that Trump paid a penalty this year to the Internal Revenue Service for a 2013 donation in which the foundation gave $25,000 to a campaign group affiliated with Florida Attorney General Pamela Bondi (R).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8cce64-75df-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html
 
Most of the Clinton Foundation money seems to originate from people other than the Clintons, and their daughter draws a nice salary from it. What's the difference that is being raised?
 
Most of the Clinton Foundation money seems to originate from people other than the Clintons, and their daughter draws a nice salary from it. What's the difference that is being raised?

The difference that should be raised is that the Trump Foundation has raised $5.5 million, where as the Clinton Foundation has raised almost $2 billion.
 
The difference that should be raised is that the Trump Foundation has raised $5.5 million, where as the Clinton Foundation has raised almost $2 billion.

I think the issue being raised is how the foundation is structured, not the size of the donor list. In that sense, I do not see that a pro-Clinton/anti-Trump person has framed the issue in any way the demonstrates a difference.

Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.


Please tell me that's a ****ing joke.

Why? Maybe they wanted it for their board room. I would think that the Gates Foundation has a painting of Bill and Melinda somewhere as well. It doesn't seem like a far-fetched expense for an organization to have some sort of tribute to its founder(s). Our local court has paintings of all the old Judges hanging around it. Doesn't seem like a wise expenditure of tax payer money, but it is a thank you to them when they retire or die I guess.
 
Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.


Please tell me that's a ****ing joke.

See.... for anyone else it would be, but....
 
Wow. He used his charity as a slush fund to benefit himself?


Goodness. Has any other major party nominee for President ever done such a thing?

I'm sorry but is that a reference to another foundation? Please be so kind as to show similar acts of vanity as buying a 20,000$ self portrait
 
Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.


Please tell me that's a ****ing joke.

Seems true:

The life-size painting was purchased in 2007 during a charity event at which a so-called speed painter drew a likeness of Trump in just a few minutes. Melania Trump bid $10,000, and when no one else bid, she doubled the offer in a customary practice at charity auctions.


The painter, Michael Israel, told the Post it was his understanding the artwork was sent to a Trump-owned golf course.

IRS rules bar charity owners from using donations to buy items for themselves, and it’s possible Trump broke the law
Trump Foundation’s $20,000 purchase of Trump painting gives new meaning to art of the deal - MarketWatch

Sounds fine to me, it was for charity, he bought it, and gave it to one of the companies that he has a ownership stake in, which is likely legal. The money for sure went to charity.
 
I'm sorry but is that a reference to another foundation? Please be so kind as to show similar acts of vanity as buying a 20,000$ self portrait

So what is you position here, that speed painting portraits should not be done at charity auctions? Do you know how often this is done cause I dont, that is not my scene.
 
I'm sorry but is that a reference to another foundation? Please be so kind as to show similar acts of vanity as buying a 20,000$ self portrait

Spending 20K self-aggrandizing? Or lavishing the money on one's self and ones' retainers? Gosh.... what other major presidential "charitable" foundation comes to mind....
 
Spending 20K self-aggrandizing? Or lavishing the money on one's self and ones' retainers? Gosh.... what other major presidential "charitable" foundation comes to mind....

"Both sides do it" is a cop out

About 10 years ago, the Trump Foundation underwent a major change — although it was invisible to those who received its gifts.

The checks still had Trump’s name on them.

Behind the scenes, he was transforming the foundation from a standard-issue rich person’s philanthropy into a charity that allowed a rich man to be philanthropic for free.

Experts on charity said they had rarely seen anything like it.

“Our common understanding of charity is you give something of yourself to help somebody else. It’s not something that you raise money from one side to spend it on the other,” said Leslie Lenkowsky, the former head of the Corporation for National and Community Service, and a professor studying philanthropy at Indiana University.

By that definition, was Trump engaging in charity?

No, Lenkowsky said.

“It’s a deal,” he said, an arrangement worked out for maximum benefit at minimum sacrifice.

In the Trump Foundation’s early days, between 1987 and 2006, Trump actually was its primary donor. Over that span, Trump gave his own foundation a total of $5.4 million. But he was giving it away as fast as he put it in, and by the start of 2007, the foundation’s assets had dropped to $4,238.

Then, Trump made a change.

First, he stopped giving his own money.

His contribution shrank to $35,000 in 2007.

Then to $30,000 in 2008.

Then to $0.

At the same time, Trump’s foundation began to fill with money from other people.

But in many other cases, his biggest donors have not wanted to say why they gave their own money, when Trump was giving none of his.
 
I think the issue being raised is how the foundation is structured, not the size of the donor list. In that sense, I do not see that a pro-Clinton/anti-Trump person has framed the issue in any way the demonstrates a difference.
.
Trump charity operations are so small time that even if they were a complete con it barely matters. THe Clinton operation is a whole nother kettle of fish.

Still, if and when anyone proves that Trump routinely broke the law with his foundation I will take note.

Not till then however.
 
"Both sides do it" is a cop out

Not really. It just cuts off any argument that the story benefits one side at the explicit expense of the other.

Trump is a corrupt con man. :shrug: Duh? We know this.
 
Most of the Clinton Foundation money seems to originate from people other than the Clintons, and their daughter draws a nice salary from it. What's the difference that is being raised?

Their daughter does not draw a salary from the Clinton Foundation. She is making a rather good salary at NBC, but that has nothing to do with the clinton foundation. If you are going to slam someone, at least get the facts straight.
 
Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.


Please tell me that's a ****ing joke.

Apparently, it was through an charitable auction, Melanie trump was the only bidder, and it was paid for by the Trump Foundation money. That is the claim at least from other sources. I can not vouch for the claims accuracy... there is a lot of churn this election season , and I noticed that even normally more reliable sources are spewing garbage (on all sides of the political spectrum). But, no, it does not look like it is a joke.
 
Spending 20K self-aggrandizing? Or lavishing the money on one's self and ones' retainers? Gosh.... what other major presidential "charitable" foundation comes to mind....

Do you have a specific example, or are you just going for innuendo?
 

Yes, and we know how accurate the 'federalist' is as a source of news. That comes from a claim from Fionia.. But, what does 'fact check' have to say about that claim

Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go?

at just isn’t so. The Clinton Foundation does most of its charitable work itself.

Katherina Rosqueta, the founding executive director of the Center for High Impact Philanthropy at the University of Pennsylvania, described the Clinton Foundation as an “operating foundation.”

“There is an important distinction between an operating foundation vs. a non-operating foundation,” Rosqueta told us via email. “An operating foundation implements programs so money it raises is not designed to be used exclusively for grant-making purposes. When most people hear ‘foundation’, they think exclusively of a grant-making entity. In either case, the key is to understand how well the foundation uses money — whether to implement programs or to grant out to nonprofits — [to achieve] the intended social impact (e.g., improving education, creating livelihoods, improving health, etc.).”

Craig Minassian, chief communications officer for the Clinton Foundation, said the Clinton Foundation is “an implementer.”

“We operate programs on the ground, around the world, that are making a difference on issues ranging from poverty and global health to climate change and women’s and girls’ participation,” Minassian told us via email. “Many large foundations actually provide grants to the Clinton Foundation so that our staff can implement the work.”

Asked for some examples of the work it performs itself, the Clinton Foundation listed these:

Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.

To bolster its case, CARLY for America noted that the Clinton Foundation spent 12 percent of its revenue on travel and conferences and 20 percent of its revenue on salaries. That’s true. But the Form 990 specifically breaks out those travel, conference and salary expenses that are used for “program service expenses” versus those that are used for management or fundraising purposes.

For example, nearly 77 percent of the $8.4 million spent on travel in 2013 went toward program services; 3.4 percent went to “management and general expenses”; and about 20 percent went to fundraising.

As for conferences, nearly 98 percent of money spent was tabbed as a programming expense. And when it comes to salaries — which includes pension plan contributions, benefits and payroll taxes — about 73 percent went to program service expenses.

“I am not the expert on what portion of the Clinton Foundation activities are truly charitable,” Vince Stehle, executive director of Media Impact Funders and a board member of the Center for Effective Philanthropy told us via email. “But I can say that it is not appropriate to simply calculate that based on what portion goes out in grants. Certainly all types of foundations are able to engage in direct charitable activities in any event. But as I understand it, the Clinton Foundation is a public charity, despite the name. Many charities call themselves foundations, which can be confusing, as they might seem like private foundations.

“The organization carries out programs,” Stehle said. “I am not intimately familiar with those programs, but assuming they are genuine, those would be considered charitable activities.”

In other words, the claim is out of context, and in essence giving a false impression. .. we can label it a 'LIE'.
 
Yes, and we know how accurate the 'federalist' is as a source of news.

The Federalist is using the foundations own tax filings. And they do it rather specifically.

For crying out loud, they used the foundation to keep Sandy Berger on staff so he could operate as an advisor to her as SECSTATE. And yet that salary is counting towards "charitable work" because they claim it as a program expense. :roll:
 
Back
Top Bottom