Do you believe Obama loves America?

Sparky2 said:

You're kidding, right?

From Dreams Of My Father, on the topic of his only private sector job, "I was like a spy behind enemy lines".

The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Same book, "I choose my friends carefully. The more politically-active black students. The foreign students. The chicanos. The Marxist professors, and the structural feminists."

Dreams Of My Father, "“But you see, a rich country like America can perhaps afford to be stupid.”

Same, “A Disavowal of the pursuit of Middleclassness', the heading read. While it is permissible to chase ‘middleincomeness’ with all our might, the text stated, those blessed with the talent or good fortune to achieve success in the American mainstream must avoid the psychological entrapment of Black ‘middleclassness’ that hypnotizes the successful brother or sister into believing they are better than the rest and teaches them to think in terms of ‘we’ and ‘they’ instead of 'US'!”

That may not sound like contempt to you, but then again, I am a particularly perceptive individual.
I can read between the lines better than most.
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You are, and I commend you for that! Btw, concerning "standing with the Muslims", are you sure he didn't mean he would stand by them if they were in the right and Christians were in the wrong, or do you think he's a Muslim too? The faith of President Obama - in six quotes and one hymn | Christian News on Christian Today

And America can afford to be stupid at times. Do you disagree with that? Do you disagree that we make mistakes?

JC Callender said:

You are, and I commend you for that! Btw, concerning "standing with the Muslims", are you sure he didn't mean he would stand by them if they were in the right and Christians were in the wrong, or do you think he's a Muslim too? The faith of President Obama - in six quotes and one hymn | Christian News on Christian Today

And America can afford to be stupid at times. Do you disagree with that? Do you disagree that we make mistakes?

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I do not believe that Obama is a Muslim anymore than he is a Christian.
He presents himself to be whatever he wishes to appear to be, depending upon the audience he is pandering to at any given moment.

Mr Obama's true faith and allegiance isn't to any God or country, but rather to his own ego, his own pleasures, his own self-aggrandizing.

Re; American being stupid at times, I must disagree with the very nature of the statement.
A nation cannot be stupid, though individual people (i.e. politicians, people of influence, people in the headlines) can certainly be stupid.

And yes, some of us make mistakes.
We humans do err.
But as a nation, the United States hasn't earned a reputation for constantly being wrong or evil.
We have historically done more good than harm with regard to our neighbors and allies.

Mr Obama believes just the opposite, obviously.
Thus the nonstop stream of apologies for, and criticisms of, this nation.
:doh

Sparky2 said:

You're kidding, right?

From Dreams Of My Father, on the topic of his only private sector job, "I was like a spy behind enemy lines".

The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Same book, "I choose my friends carefully. The more politically-active black students. The foreign students. The chicanos. The Marxist professors, and the structural feminists."

Dreams Of My Father, "“But you see, a rich country like America can perhaps afford to be stupid.”

Same, “A Disavowal of the pursuit of Middleclassness', the heading read. While it is permissible to chase ‘middleincomeness’ with all our might, the text stated, those blessed with the talent or good fortune to achieve success in the American mainstream must avoid the psychological entrapment of Black ‘middleclassness’ that hypnotizes the successful brother or sister into believing they are better than the rest and teaches them to think in terms of ‘we’ and ‘they’ instead of 'US'!”

That may not sound like contempt to you, but then again, I am a particularly perceptive individual.
I can read between the lines better than most.
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adults call that making stuff up

Yes, President Obama loves the United States. Yes, he was born here. Yes, he is a Christian. No, he does not want the terrorists to win.

SmartCat said:

Yes, President Obama loves the United States. Yes, he was born here. Yes, he is a Christian. No, he does not want the terrorists to win.

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In order, doubtful, up for debate, up for debate, and let's just say, "his actions speak louder than your words".

Yes, Obama loves this country. I think everyone who ever was or ever wanted to be President loves/loved this country. You want to be a leader of something you love, not something you hate.

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You only have to read any one of Mr Obama's many autobiographies to determine just how much he despises the mainstream, mostly caucasian, mostly male, capitalistic, mom's apple pie America.

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I have. To maintain that he despises that is intellectually dishonest.

The man bristles with contempt at the notion of America's exceptionalism, her (former) military superiority to other nations, and her very greatness.

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A. Good. Americans exceptionalism is worthy of a side-show barker trying to get rubes coming in the tent, but not much else.
B. Our military is still superior to other nations. He is not contemptuous of the military.
C. We are still a great country. He is not contemptuous of America.

His entire Presidency has been about bringing this nation down a notch or two, and to guide her into the status of a third-world, thoroughly-gelded subject of the UN's new world order.

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That statement is utterly unmoored from reality with no basis in objective fact.

To deny this much is to be intellectually dishonest.
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Oh, the thunderous, delicious irony. Thanks for the laugh.

Tanngrisnir said:

I have. To maintain that he despises that is intellectually dishonest.
A. Good. Americans exceptionalism is worthy of a side-show barker trying to get rubes coming in the tent, but not much else.
B. Our military is still superior to other nations. He is not contemptuous of the military.
C. We are still a great country. He is not contemptuous of America.
That statement is utterly unmoored from reality with no basis in objective fact.
Oh, the thunderous, delicious irony. Thanks for the laugh.

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We disagree.

History will prove me right, in the long run.

But you will be able to take comfort in knowing that you were a shameless, devoted cheerleader for a charming, well-spoken pathological liar like Barack Obama.
And if you sleep well at night with that in your belly, then good on you.
I am happy for you.

Me, I'm a fan of the truth, not candy-coated platitudes, rainbows, and unicorns.

Sparky2 said:

In order, doubtful, up for debate, up for debate, and let's just say, "his actions speak louder than your words".

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I doubt it would be possible to convince you of anything you do not want to believe. The evidence for Obama's birthplace is overwhelming.

In 1988 Obama was baptized by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., of the United Church of Christ. He attends church services reasonably regularly. Ronald Reagan hardly ever went to church, but no one questioned his Christian faith.

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We disagree.

History will prove me right, in the long run.

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In your fetid and febrile imagination, perhaps, but not in reality.

But you will be able to take comfort in knowing that you were a shameless, devoted cheerleader for a charming, well-spoken pathological liar like Barack Obama.

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No, I'm not a cheerleader for him in the least. That you're desperate to portray me as such just sheds more light on the lies I've already called you on.

And if you sleep well at night with that in your belly, then good on you. I am happy for you.

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I sleep well knowing that I, unlike you, don't have to lie to inspect and discuss reality.

Me, I'm a fan of the truth, not candy-coated platitudes, rainbows, and unicorns.

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LOL! Ironically, the post of yours that I first replied to totally contradicts that statement.

Good luck with your magical thinking!

SmartCat said:

I doubt it would be possible to convince you of anything you do not want to believe. The evidence for Obama's birthplace is overwhelming.
In 1988 Obama was baptized by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., of the United Church of Christ. He attends church services reasonably regularly. Ronald Reagan hardly ever went to church, but no one questioned his Christian faith.

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You missed my earlier posting on the topic, surely.

I don't believe that a self-serving, self-absorbed, pathological liar like Barack Obama is capable of being a Christian.
Nor do I believe that a self-serving, self-absorbed, pathological liar like Barack Obama is capable of being a Muslim.

He is whatever he chooses to present to whatever audience he is pandering to at any given moment.

When he is speaking to Christians, he presents himself as a Christian.

When he is pandering to Muslims and Muslim sympathizers, he presents himself as a Muslim.

When speaking to largely black crowds, he shifts into the patois of an urban, street-wise black man.

When pandering to a mostly-white, educated crowd, he speaks with no ebonic inflections whatsoever.

The man is a chameleon, and he is a sham. A fraud.
And, sadly, many fools have fallen for his con-game.

Tanngrisnir said:

Good luck with your magical thinking!

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It's just the truth, friend.
The truth isn't magical, though it is rare.
And it comes without an ON/OFF switch, nor does it feature a volume knob.

It's just the truth.

Sparky2 said:

It's just the truth, friend.

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Nah. As I stated, it's just your over-active imagination.

The truth isn't magical, though it is rare. And it comes without an ON/OFF switch, nor does it feature a volume knob.

It's just the truth.

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Good luck with your magical thinking!

Tanngrisnir said:

Nah. As I stated, it's just your over-active imagination.

Good luck with your magical thinking!

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Again, let's just let history be the judge of this.
I feel strongly that your ardent, adoring feelings regarding Mr Obama will be proven to be sadly misplaced, in the long run.

And my spot-on observations will be proven to be deadly-accurate.
I'm comfortable with this analysis.

JC Callender said:

When I say "love", I mean do you feel like he wants what's best for the U.S.. I disagree with much of what he's done, but I feel he does. I would guess that he went into politics because he knew he had the ability to make major changes and help people. I wouldn't say the same about Hillary as I feel she's first and foremost personally ambitious. And probably the same for Trump. But I feel like Obama is a good guy who's political philosophy I'm opposed to. What do you think?

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He might, to some degree. I also think that he holds a certain amount of disdain for this country as well.

JC Callender said:

When I say "love", I mean do you feel like he wants what's best for the U.S.. I disagree with much of what he's done, but I feel he does. I would guess that he went into politics because he knew he had the ability to make major changes and help people. I wouldn't say the same about Hillary as I feel she's first and foremost personally ambitious. And probably the same for Trump. But I feel like Obama is a good guy who's political philosophy I'm opposed to. What do you think?

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Why are you asking this now?

He is on his way out.

Sparky2 said:

Again, let's just let history be the judge of this.
I feel strongly that your ardent, adoring feelings regarding Mr Obama will be proven to be sadly misplaced, in the long run.

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Yawn. Yet more pathological dishonesty from you. I harbor 'feeling' about the truth and accurate depiction of reality. You've already lied once calling me an Obama supporter. Why continue to be so dishonest?

And my spot-on observations will be proven to be deadly-accurate.
I'm comfortable with this analysis.

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Thanks for admitting you're completely dishonest and have zero interest in rational discourse.

Sparky2 said:

You're kidding, right?

From Dreams Of My Father, on the topic of his only private sector job, "I was like a spy behind enemy lines".

The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Same book, "I choose my friends carefully. The more politically-active black students. The foreign students. The chicanos. The Marxist professors, and the structural feminists."

Dreams Of My Father, "“But you see, a rich country like America can perhaps afford to be stupid.”

Same, “A Disavowal of the pursuit of Middleclassness', the heading read. While it is permissible to chase ‘middleincomeness’ with all our might, the text stated, those blessed with the talent or good fortune to achieve success in the American mainstream must avoid the psychological entrapment of Black ‘middleclassness’ that hypnotizes the successful brother or sister into believing they are better than the rest and teaches them to think in terms of ‘we’ and ‘they’ instead of 'US'!”

That may not sound like contempt to you, but then again, I am a particularly perceptive individual.
I can read between the lines better than most.
:shock:

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Seems to me that Obama will love the America that results from his fundamental transformation.
Why would someone want to fundamentally transform something that someone would already 'love'?

So does Obama love the America as it is now? Not so much.

Tanngrisnir said:

Yawn. Yet more pathological dishonesty from you. I harbor 'feeling' about the truth and accurate depiction of reality. You've already lied once calling me an Obama supporter. Why continue to be so dishonest?
Thanks for admitting you're completely dishonest and have zero interest in rational discourse.

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You seem overly-combative and defensive, friend.
What's going on here exactly?

When you were a little tyke, did somebody pick on you a lot, and call you a liar?

It's seems like there's something with you that's just a little touchy, with regard to your anger and your reactions to other people's observations, facts, and opinions.

Have you ever considered studying some online literature on anger-management?
(I have learned not to advise psychological counseling to anybody on this forum. It makes the moderators mad.)

Just food for thought.
You seem edgy and hyper-defensive.

Sparky2 said:

You seem overly-combative and defensive, friend.

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No, not to any rational adult.

What's going on here exactly?

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Well, let's see here....

You lied. I called you on your lies, and now you're trying to distract from that simple fact.

When you were a little tyke, did somebody pick on you a lot, and call you a liar?

It's seems like there's something with you that's just a little touchy, with regard to your anger and your reactions to other people's observations, facts, and opinions.

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Huh? I'm not angry with you in the least. Why pretend otherwise? Is that some sort of self-defense mechanism you cling to?

Have you ever considered studying some online literature on anger-management?
(I have learned not to advise psychological counseling to anybody on this forum. It makes the moderators mad.)

Just food for thought.
You seem edgy and hyper-defensive.

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LOL! I only seem that way to the pathologically dishonest.

Tanngrisnir said:

No, not to any rational adult.
Well, let's see here....
You lied. I called you on your lies, and now you're trying to distract from that simple fact.
Huh? I'm not angry with you in the least. Why pretend otherwise? Is that some sort of self-defense mechanism you cling to?
LOL! I only seem that way to the pathologically dishonest.

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Methinks that thou dost protest too much, Gertrude.

But then again, I haven't met you in person.
In real life, I'll bet you are as sane and emotionally stable as practically any other fellow on the street.

Perhaps it's these web forums that bring out in the worst in you. Maybe?

You seem to have a firm set of convictions and beliefs.
To wit;
Barack Obama is an ultra sporty guy.
Truthful, and honest in all his daily endeavors.
Accountable to the nth degree.
Chock full of integrity.

The facts of the matter fly in the face of your firmly-held beliefs, and this rankles just a bit.
This is understandable, and I get it!

I love good dark beers.
Or good red wine.
And grilled steak.
(This is just corollary, so just bear with me, okay?)

If I encountered some snarky fellow on the internet who declared that dark beers are horrible, good red wine was tasteless swill, and that grilled steak was tripe for sub-human trailer-park residents, I too would rankle.
I would be miffed, of that there is little doubt.

But, and here's the difference between you and me.
I would merely agree to disagree with the thoroughly-wrong guy, and chock it up to there being just some jerk out there who doesn't like beer, wine, or steak.

YOU react angrily when your beliefs are challenged, and you declare that other jerk (me, in this case) to be a LIAR, and pathologically-dishonest.
(Which is kind of ironic, since I am known in my profession as an honesty-broker, and a truthful purveyor of integrity and accountability in all matters large and small.)

Let's just agree to disagree, okay?
You have your (admittedly sketchy) beliefs, and I have my rock-solid truths.

Friends, now?
:2wave:

JC Callender said:

When I say "love", I mean do you feel like he wants what's best for the U.S.. I disagree with much of what he's done, but I feel he does. I would guess that he went into politics because he knew he had the ability to make major changes and help people. I wouldn't say the same about Hillary as I feel she's first and foremost personally ambitious. And probably the same for Trump. But I feel like Obama is a good guy who's political philosophy I'm opposed to. What do you think?

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Obama is a Multi-Cultural Internationalist.

What that means is that his focus on the welfare of people in other countries does function to alienate his "affection" for his fellow Americans.

Let's keep in mind that the so-called Affordable Care Act was not about getting everybody healthcare so they wouldn't suffer without it .. it was marketed that way .. but the many millions of poor people who still can't afford insurance and instead of paying even any portion of a premium suffer the comparatively much smaller government "fee" attest to the fact that the ACA was really all about finding funding for necessary ER, urgent care, and trauma center facilities that were being bankrupted into closer by a combination of illegal aliens and Americans without insurance. Though it helped a bit there, keeping a number of these facilities afloat with the resulting additional insurance payments, and the new caps kept some seriously ill patients from doing without life-saving care, it's simply not what it was marketed as, and thus is not an accurate way of measuring Obama's concern for his fellow Americans, as the greatly increased insurance premiums across the board were not offset by any Obama-sponsored legislation to improve the individual economies of scores of millions of Americans suffering without secure living-wage job.

Obama's over-focus on social issues for vote pandering at the expense of jobs for Americans, especially his compulsion to provide a path for citizenship for 22 million wage-scale-lowering criminal illegal aliens, also attests to the corruption of his patriotism caused by his Multi-Cultural Internationalism.

He's not a bad man, nor is he inconsiderate in general.

His Multi-Cultural Internationalism ideologically blinds-distracts him from paying due attention to the welfare of his fellow American citizens.

He would thus likely make a great Secretary-General of the U.N.

But he made a lousy U.S. President.

JC Callender said:

Anyone who cheats on their wife, and essentially their family, is weak and has proved that they not only made at least one really poor huge decision in their life but they've also failed to do the honorable thing and stay faithful. Clinton was a serial cheater and a sexual harasser. Think of one really young, wonderful little girl that you know. Now imagine her watching t.v. and finding out that her dad stuck a cigar in some strange woman.

Would you agree that a person who puts their country before themselves would also put their family before themselves?

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I think you are placing your values on others. Bill Clinton was no different that other powerful men who became President. Do you think FDR loved this country?

It has been well documented that FDR was involved with Lucy Mercer during World War I. She was also present at Warm Springs, Ga., on the day that FDR died. But, through previously unpublished letters and other documents, Persico reveals for the first time that their romance continued unbroken for nearly 30 years. In the following excerpt, set in 1918, FDR has just returned, ill, from an overseas trip while serving as assistant secretary of the Navy, and Eleanor has discovered letters to Franklin from Lucy. FDR's Secret Love | US News

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Sparky2 said:

Methinks that thou dost protest too much, Gertrude.

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Assumes facts not in evidence. You're not really thinking at all, you're just emoting.

You seem to have a firm set of convictions and beliefs.
To wit;
Barack Obama is an ultra sporty guy.
Truthful, and honest in all his daily endeavors.
Accountable to the nth degree.
Chock full of integrity.

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But, of course, I've never made any such claims. Again, your pathological desperation for me to be an Obama supporter just belies how vapid your case is. As in, you have none, so you must project.

The facts of the matter fly in the face of your firmly-held beliefs, and this rankles just a bit.
This is understandable, and I get it!

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A. Those aren't my beliefs.
B. You have supplied no facts in our exchanges thus far. Just hyperbolic, emotionally-based bare assertions. Pity you don't know the difference.

I love good dark beers.
Or good red wine.
And grilled steak.
(This is just corollary, so just bear with me, okay?)

If I encountered some snarky fellow on the internet who declared that dark beers are horrible, good red wine was tasteless swill, and that grilled steak was tripe for sub-human trailer-park residents, I too would rankle.
I would be miffed, of that there is little doubt.

But, and here's the difference between you and me.
I would merely agree to disagree with the thoroughly-wrong guy, and chock it up to there being just some jerk out there who doesn't like beer, wine, or steak.

YOU react angrily when your beliefs are challenged, and you declare that other jerk (me, in this case) to be a LIAR, and pathologically-dishonest.
(Which is kind of ironic, since I am known in my profession as an honesty-broker, and a truthful purveyor of integrity and accountability in all matters large and small.)

Let's just agree to disagree, okay?
You have your (admittedly sketchy) beliefs, and I have my rock-solid truths.

Friends, now?
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Sorry, I'm simply not angry at you. There's just no point, but you can pretend that I am if it makes you feel better.

Your analogy (it''s not a corollary) is hilariously specious, but you go ahead and run with it.

Sorry that getting called out on your dishonesty makes you fall apart so dramatically.

Sorry, I find it of little profit to be friends with those who suffer from such delusions.

JC Callender said:

I think that's debatable. I think that if he put his country first then he wouldn't have gone after Russia when he did. Hitler was one of those big "ubermensch" and "will to power" guys. I feel like he put himself before his own country.

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Nope. He was just delusional and surrounded by sycophants.

...just like Obama.