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Didn't assume anything. You took a swipe at one group ignore another.
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9/11: Freedom Attacked - Freedom Defended
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Didn't assume anything. You took a swipe at one group ignore another.
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:roll: Of course you did.
You said 'Your weak partisan swipe falls a little flat of reality.'
A swipe is an action. 'Partisan' indicates intent. You assumed that I took a partisan swipe when I did no such thing as the swipe was against neocons and cowards...both parties have tons of those.
So where the hell is the 'partisan'?
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It has been well pointed out by the posters on this thread that both major parties have been equally responsible for the erosion of freedom in America (and many other parts of the world).
My original post was dealing with the one huge blow freedom took due to the frenzied responses to the 9/11 attacks. I did not mention "rights", which are an entirely different thing than "freedom".
Rights and duties are based on contract. None are inalienable. The US Constitution has a Bill of Rights because early settlers were suspicious of giving power to any form of government. They understood that any government powerful enough to protect you is powerful enough to enslave you. So they insisted on a contract listing the things that government does not have the right to do to its citizens.
The government has been in violation of said contract almost every year since it was signed. There isn't a single "right" that has been systematically upheld.
The Patriot Act just went the extra mile of codifying it into law that certain classes of people cannot expect to be allowed a defense against anonymous accusations, a speedy trial, bail, etc.
It went so far as to make giving monetary assistance or information to any terrorist organization or funder of terrorist organizations a criminal act, with the possibility of a death sentence.
Think about that, when you give your financial information on the 1040 form, and pay the taxes that accompany it.
My original post was dealing with the one huge blow freedom took due to the frenzied responses to the 9/11 attacks. I did not mention "rights", which are an entirely different thing than "freedom".
Rights and duties are based on contract. None are inalienable. The US Constitution has a Bill of Rights because early settlers were suspicious of giving power to any form of government. They understood that any government powerful enough to protect you is powerful enough to enslave you. So they insisted on a contract listing the things that government does not have the right to do to its citizens.
The government has been in violation of said contract almost every year since it was signed. There isn't a single "right" that has been systematically upheld.
The Patriot Act just went the extra mile of codifying it into law that certain classes of people cannot expect to be allowed a defense against anonymous accusations, a speedy trial, bail, etc.
It went so far as to make giving monetary assistance or information to any terrorist organization or funder of terrorist organizations a criminal act, with the possibility of a death sentence.
Think about that, when you give your financial information on the 1040 form, and pay the taxes that accompany it.
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