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When is it OK to blame government for your own failure as a human being?

A candidate promising to return us to coal based economy is a complete idiot...as is anyone who thinks this is a good idea. We need to move ahead not backwards.

That's merely a prejudice-based argument. No one is advocating a "coal based economy" but an economy making good use of coal is a good idea.
 
That's merely a prejudice-based argument. No one is advocating a "coal based economy" but an economy making good use of coal is a good idea.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

:agree: China is building more coal-using plants as we speak, and they don't seem to care whether or not Obama likes it, probably because he doesn't have a billion-plus people to worry about like they do!
 
If you have a normal IQ and are healthy, then it's your own friggen problem if you are poor.

I fully understand and demand taking care of the disabled, but not the lazy azzed poor that can better themselves.
 
Carbon Fiber
Activated carbon filters
Plastics
Nylon fiber
Fertilizer
Iron and steel

All these are products created from coal. As far as "cleaner and cheaper," ask yourself how much a regular internal-combustion engine car is vs. an electric car. Do YOU have solar panels on your house? I'll bet you don't, and I'll also bet it's because you can't afford it. Your answer was a strawman.


This is a retarded analogy. It's apples to Buicks. Cassettes replaced eight-track tapes, and they were replaced due to size and quality of sound. Not because they were "cleaner" or "cheaper." I remember 8-tracks, and they cost just as much as cassettes or vinyl albums.


What an elitist douchebag thing to say to a working citizen. "Sorry citizen...we hate your job. Go find a new one."


It pays the bills. It supports a family. Another self-centered, egotistical thing to say. Basically "If you don't think like I do, then you're doing it wrong."


...and this completes the trifecta of retarded things to say. Where is your data that equates coal miners to junkies? People this self-centered are usually young children.

Being cleaner and cheaper is not a good reason to switch to natural gas?
Are we to subsidize video cassettes in order to preserve the jobs of the cassette makers?
I didn't say anyone was mining coal wrong. The problem is, mining coal doesn't pay like it did. So, instead of blaming the government, or expecting the government to subsidize your industry or pay you a living, you must adapt.
 
We were. The problem is their is a loose cannon who refuses to be a puppet called Trump. He will take their money but he won't play and this has created a real problem for the rich and powerful. Plus the fact their bought and paid for puppet Hillary is possibly not going to get elected despite all their efforts and media support. Too much criminal activity to cover up.

Plus have you seen some of the facial expressions caught on camera. She would make a better clown than president if it is not a mental disorder. I think she is coming undone. Keeping track of all the lies and deception may be too much even for one of the greatest deceivers of all time.
We were, we still are, and we still will be even in the unlikely and rather scary event that we elect a conman and fraud to the white house.
 
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

:agree: China is building more coal-using plants as we speak, and they don't seem to care whether or not Obama likes it, probably because he doesn't have a billion-plus people to worry about like they do!

Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

Once again right on the money.:mrgreen:
 
A candidate promising to return us to coal based economy is a complete idiot...as is anyone who thinks this is a good idea. We need to move ahead not backwards.

Nobody said anything about going back to a coal based economy. You sound like our media just making things up.

I am talking about using the energy sources that are readily available in an area. Finding an efficient way to use coal when sitting on vast reserves makes more sense than bring oil in from half way around the world. If wind energy is available it should be the primary source. Where I live I watch the wind towers sit there not moving for days at times. People still need energy. Solar does not work at night or during long cloudy periods of little daylight in the winter. People still need energy. Tidal energy is great for people along the coast but useless in Nebraska. Hydroelectric is worthless in parts of the Sahara where there are no rivers. Making efficient use of what is available is the right answer to meet our energy needs. A candidate with a closed mind to finding efficient ways to use the energy sources readily available is the idiot.
 
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Did the "Right Wingers" destroy the economy in McDowell County?

No. The Left Wing did.

When left wing government policies have destroyed your future, what do you think is going to happen?

Why do you think the same thing happens in other poverty stricken communities?

If the shoe fits, wear it.

In this case, the left wing has supplied an entire shoe store.

No the future destroyed McDowell County, Coal is a dying source of energy, the coal that's still being mined is mined mostly be mechanized processes, not by laborers. even if the coal industry returned and mined as much coal as they did in the 1950s it would employ only a fraction of the workforce.

much like in the 1990s, two towns in WA state, Port Angeles and Hoquiam had large bustling mills that employed many people to produce Rayon, an almost completely pure fiber, out of wood. rayon was used to make many products from womens lingerie to film, and then nylon came along, and then film died out as CDs and digital media became the thing, and their rayon mills shut down. couldn't sell enough rayon.

now coal is dying, as it should, and coal communities will decline. there are many, many communities that no longer functionally exist because market forces make them incapable of being profitable.

Coal was great when we needed electricity in the 1880s, it's 2016 now and time to move to clean energy, and there will be losers in the market shift.
 
I'll be voting for Johnson, but down the ballot it's the Repubs who represent more disadvantaged people.

Partially true. Ronald Reagan was the first President to appoint a minority Supreme Court Justice, and a minority to Legislature.
Then again, Democrats are much friendlier to the LGBTQ community.

Just some examples.
 
We were, we still are, and we still will be even in the unlikely and rather scary event that we elect a conman and fraud to the white house.

You mean the irresponsible, reckless, con-woman who can't even handle classified documents properly or tell sniper fire from waving and cheering people. She has delusions of people shooting at her and slanders the people and country she visits with false accusation of assassination attempts. She is irresponsible and reckless in the handling of classified information. These are her qualifications for President. :lamo

I wouldn't put her in charge of collecting baskets at the local Walmart let alone President of this country. The only thing she is good at is lying to the people. She even supported her husbands treatment of women and then acts like she is for treating women with dignity and respect in the work place. I never seen a bigger con-person than Hillary in all my life.

Are you sure she is not related to P T Barnum?:lamo
 
It would be nice if it was a matter of cost. Unfortunately we have a government that subsidizes things for campaign contributions or to appear politically correct. Solar plants are built that go bankrupt because the industry was not what was needed at that time and place. In an area such as West Virginia where there is almost an unlimited supply of coal it makes sense to use that readily available and plentiful fuel for electricity. In Arizona where the sun shines most every day and there is no coal solar makes more sense. In a lot of areas multiple forms of energy can be available and should be used.

The issue is, the demand for electricity in West Virginia is very low, and they couldn't mine enough coal to meet their energy demands and to employ most of their unemployed. the heyday was when the whole country was using it. there are coal plants in Montana and Arizona, I think one still in Washington, places without substantial coal industries. but that coal went everywhere. much like right now oil is a global market, coal was a national one.

coal made sense due to the technology during the early days of needing heat and power, coal was a blessing as we industrialized, no one should be ashamed of having used coal to develop, but it's dirty, mining it is extremely dangerous, there are huge environmental costs, and it is not as effecient as other forms, natural gas is cheaper, cleaner, safer, and can be used to generate different amounts of power immediately, demand spike? open the valve more, drop, lower it.

nuclear and hydro power, are cleaner and safer for base load, even oil burning plants are more effecient.
 
Carbon Fiber
Activated carbon filters
Plastics
Nylon fiber
Fertilizer
Iron and steel

All these are products created from coal. As far as "cleaner and cheaper," ask yourself how much a regular internal-combustion engine car is vs. an electric car. Do YOU have solar panels on your house? I'll bet you don't, and I'll also bet it's because you can't afford it. Your answer was a strawman.


This is a retarded analogy. It's apples to Buicks. Cassettes replaced eight-track tapes, and they were replaced due to size and quality of sound. Not because they were "cleaner" or "cheaper." I remember 8-tracks, and they cost just as much as cassettes or vinyl albums.


What an elitist douchebag thing to say to a working citizen. "Sorry citizen...we hate your job. Go find a new one."


It pays the bills. It supports a family. Another self-centered, egotistical thing to say. Basically "If you don't think like I do, then you're doing it wrong."


...and this completes the trifecta of retarded things to say. Where is your data that equates coal miners to junkies? People this self-centered are usually young children.

most of those products are made with oil or gas, not with coal. coal is more expensive to refine.

and some of those plastics and nylon, as I referenced were used to replace rayon which resulted in job losses in the Pacific Northwest where I live where Rayon was refined, I'm thinking those coal miners weren't really all upset over replacing mill jobs in Washington from their mines in West Virginia.
 
nuclear and hydro power, are cleaner and safer for base load, even oil burning plants are more effecient.

They all have their risks. We still have no real solution to the ever growing pile of radioactive waste from nuclear. Hydro has caused the extinction of migrating fish, are not feasible everywhere and become useless in droughts. We got the ground water damage and unknown long term effects of fracking for oil and gas. Wind power has its draw backs when the wind doesn't blow and is still in its infancy. I don't see a problem replacing a lot of our aging nuclear plants in the coal region with efficient coal powered plants. It will put people back to work and the reliability of coal with wind and solar could be a viable source of energy as we learn to use all sources of energy more efficiently and with less risk to the environment.
 
The issue is, the demand for electricity in West Virginia is very low, and they couldn't mine enough coal to meet their energy demands and to employ most of their unemployed.

The energy needs of the East coast which West Virginia is centrally located is the highest in this country and most of the world. Coal would be the reliable source energy for when cleaner versions are unable to meet the demands. I want the most efficient coal powered plants built not the old smoke stacks of the 1900's.
 
The energy needs of the East coast which West Virginia is centrally located is the highest in this country and most of the world. Coal would be the reliable source energy for when cleaner versions are unable to meet the demands. I want the most efficient coal powered plants built not the old smoke stacks of the 1900's.

increased efficiency is good, but you can't escape the fact you're pouring sulphur and particulates in the air, or you have to capture it and store it somewhere, negating the cost advantage.
 
Coal is obsolete. Would you subsidize a buggy whip factory?

If coal was obselete it wouldn't be used any more.

Is it still being used?
 
Things change. Industries come and go. The reality is sometimes cruel. As very hurting and difficult as it could be, adapt and move on, that's the only thing you can, and should do.

The majority of the people have adapted. The rest, well, they didn't.

Blaming Democrats, just like resorting to drugs, makes no sense. It's the time, it's the economy. I bet, the time period of change went through the rules of Democrats and Conservatives.

When you think about it, your industry, when it first came to exist, probably replaced some other people's jobs at the time, too.

Why are you talking like coal is no longer used?

What has taken it's place?
 
Why, when the government being blamed is the Democrats of course. Gotta love the Right Wingers on this.

McDowell County: The poverty-stricken community which despises Hillary Clinton - ITV News

Heroin junkie? Blame Hillary. It's all her fault. Of course it is.

Obama supposedly saved the auto industry and look at Detroit. Hillary wants to destroy their industry and you expect them to praise her?

It's funny, these people simply want Hillary to stay out of their business so they can have a better shot at getting work instead of welfare and you ridicule them for it. :lol:
 
increased efficiency is good, but you can't escape the fact you're pouring sulphur and particulates in the air, or you have to capture it and store it somewhere, negating the cost advantage.

Capturing the sulfur and particulates is part of clean efficient use of coal. We don't need to store it there are thousands of uses for sulfur from fertilizer to sulfuric acid. It is the storage of radio active waste from nuclear power that is a problem with no answers yet. Radio active waste that will take 100's of thousands to be safe to handle vs sulfur which I can use to help grow food or is necessary in industry to create thousands of product. Of course subsidizing the cost of the scrubbers is a heck of a lot cheaper than the unknown cost of dealing with radio active waste. Just because we can pass the problem and the cost on to our children and grandchildren for hundreds of generations does not mean it is cheaper than coal.
 
Capturing the sulfur and particulates is part of clean efficient use of coal. We don't need to store it there are thousands of uses for sulfur from fertilizer to sulfuric acid. It is the storage of radio active waste from nuclear power that is a problem with no answers yet. Radio active waste that will take 100's of thousands to be safe to handle vs sulfur which I can use to help grow food or is necessary in industry to create thousands of product. Of course subsidizing the cost of the scrubbers is a heck of a lot cheaper than the unknown cost of dealing with radio active waste. Just because we can pass the problem and the cost on to our children and grandchildren for hundreds of generations does not mean it is cheaper than coal.

Actually there are very easy practical answers for storage of nuclear waste, it just involves clearing a political hurdle

It would be perfectly safe to bury under Yucca Mountain, anther option is near Wamsutter Wyoming as these locations sit in closed water system basins
 
Cars are better. The case against coal is political BS.

Cars manufacturing wasn't subsidized back in the day with the goal of getting rid of horse manure. The car became more desirable, people bought cars. The buggy fell by the wayside.

The horse manure problem took care of itself.
 
Why, when the government being blamed is the Democrats of course. Gotta love the Right Wingers on this.

McDowell County: The poverty-stricken community which despises Hillary Clinton - ITV News

Heroin junkie? Blame Hillary. It's all her fault. Of course it is.

Obama said he would put coal out of business... Hillary too... And this is part of the result. It's insane... But that's the Demokrats for ya.

Like the Ukraine, they say... Don't arm up we'll help you... And in coal country, we're gonna put you out of business but replace it with renewables... And they act on phase 1... But never implement phase 2. And Ukraine learned... Words are easy.

When it comes to devastating the coal industry, government cannot implement a meaningful phase 2... Because they don't have the know-how or will. That's something to be done by private enterprise, and if no money is there to be made... Guess what coal miners? You're Farked... Because Socialists believe in the False God of global warming.

Hillary should start assisting coal miners from The Clinton Foundation billions... She should put her money where her mouth is. You know... Do it for the children.

PART 2

When is it OK to blame government for your own failure as a human being?

This is the domain of Demokrats. It is their platform. "Help"... In the form of "programs"... But as the coal miners learned... Simply replace "help" with "fark".

We're gonna "help" you... (No, no, no...) We're gonna "fark" you.

Look at the trillions pissed away buying votes, setting up programs, transferring wealth.

And the Demokrats want even more of this destructive socialist goo.

The Demokrat platform is nothing more than a mountain of manure.
 
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No the future destroyed McDowell County, Coal is a dying source of energy, the coal that's still being mined is mined mostly be mechanized processes, not by laborers. even if the coal industry returned and mined as much coal as they did in the 1950s it would employ only a fraction of the workforce.

much like in the 1990s, two towns in WA state, Port Angeles and Hoquiam had large bustling mills that employed many people to produce Rayon, an almost completely pure fiber, out of wood. rayon was used to make many products from womens lingerie to film, and then nylon came along, and then film died out as CDs and digital media became the thing, and their rayon mills shut down. couldn't sell enough rayon.

now coal is dying, as it should, and coal communities will decline. there are many, many communities that no longer functionally exist because market forces make them incapable of being profitable.

Coal was great when we needed electricity in the 1880s, it's 2016 now and time to move to clean energy, and there will be losers in the market shift.

Well, I completely disagree with you.

Environmental policy should contain consideration of the human element, not harm to it.

Energy is as crucial to mans existence as air and water. Coal is abundant throughout the planet.

Unilaterally destroying the livelihoods of people is not Environmental Policy, it's Social Engineering.

Sucking economic activity out of society doesn't lead to new breakthroughs, nor does it contribute to improved methods to utilize the resource more efficiently.

I would like people who embrace the destruction of other peoples futures to go tell them how they feel face to face.

"There will be losers in the market shift" is an outrageous and truly narcissistic attitude.
 
You mean the irresponsible, reckless, con-woman who can't even handle classified documents properly or tell sniper fire from waving and cheering people. She has delusions of people shooting at her and slanders the people and country she visits with false accusation of assassination attempts. She is irresponsible and reckless in the handling of classified information. These are her qualifications for President. :lamo

I wouldn't put her in charge of collecting baskets at the local Walmart let alone President of this country. The only thing she is good at is lying to the people. She even supported her husbands treatment of women and then acts like she is for treating women with dignity and respect in the work place. I never seen a bigger con-person than Hillary in all my life.

Are you sure she is not related to P T Barnum?:lamo

Interesting how no one can, and few even try, to support Trump. The best that anyone can do is to point out how bad his opponent is.

And to think: There are people actually looking forward to this election and thinking things will somehow be better afterward!
 
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