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Trump's Outreach to Blacks Scares the Left

Redress said:
At some point, there will be a republican who can talk to people, and get his message to blacks and hispanics and so on. Then I will worry about it. Trump is not that person.
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After 60 years of false promises you would think the blacks would wise up, but I guess if they were smart they wouldn't need the Democrats to feed them off the public teat in the first place.
 
blaxshep said:
After 60 years of false promises you would think the blacks would wise up, but I guess if they were smart they wouldn't need the Democrats to feed them off the public teat in the first place.
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You need to get your hood re-fitted. It's squeezing your head a little too tightly.
 
humbolt said:
Look at the first couple of pages here, at the very least. If you truly believe Trump can't gather votes from the black community, then you wouldn't bother making that point. It would be moot.
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No. It's ridicule-worthy because there is absolutely no evidence that he's making inroads with black people. He's polling at 1% or less. Here's how claims work:

It is upon the person making the claim to provide evidence for that claim.

In this case, the claim is that "liberals" are afraid of Trump taking black votes from Hillary, with the implication that he is doing so.

1. Who is afraid and how is this evidenced?
2. What is the evidence that he's any threat to take the black vote from Hillary?

If I were to claim that Hillary is taking the uneducated white male vote, I would have to provide numbers to support that claim. But there's no evidence to support that, so I don't make that assertion.
 
Opopanax said:
No. It's ridicule-worthy because there is absolutely no evidence that he's making inroads with black people. He's polling at 1% or less. Here's how claims work:

It is upon the person making the claim to provide evidence for that claim.

In this case, the claim is that "liberals" are afraid of Trump taking black votes from Hillary, with the implication that he is doing so.

1. Who is afraid and how is this evidenced?
2. What is the evidence that he's any threat to take the black vote from Hillary?

If I were to claim that Hillary is taking the uneducated white male vote, I would have to provide numbers to support that claim. But there's no evidence to support that, so I don't make that assertion.
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Trump has next to no support from black voters, so if he manages to get some support, he would be making inroads. Neither Romney or McCain bothered to make the effort Trump has, and that clearly has some bothered, as evidenced here. The truth is that you guys on the left think that the black voting community is sacrosanct territory for which only your political allies have a pass.
 
blaxshep said:
After 60 years of false promises you would think the blacks would wise up, but I guess if they were smart they wouldn't need the Democrats to feed them off the public teat in the first place.
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Do you ever post anything not some random, simplistic talking point?
 
humbolt said:
Trump has next to no support from black voters, so if he manages to get some support, he would be making inroads. Neither Romney or McCain bothered to make the effort Trump has, and that clearly has some bothered, as evidenced here. The truth is that you guys on the left think that the black voting community is sacrosanct territory for which only your political allies have a pass.
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In 2012, Romney received about 7% of the black vote.

U.S. Census Confirms: Mitt Romney Won Abysmal 17 percent of Votes among People of Color. | Alternet

Right now, Trump is around 1%. That's not what one should call "making inroads." Trump has instead accomplished the exact opposite of that. But that's just what come to be expected from American conservatives nowadays: an utter disregard for empirical facts. That anyone's vote is sacrosanct, well, that's something you've made up and has no basis in reality. Democrats have worked hard to cultivate the black vote.

While the center and left in America has been far from perfect, and often misguided in addressing black issues, at least they've tried. The Civil Rights Act, voting rights, education, various outreach programs; a seat offered at the table. But conservatives have resisted those efforts at every turn. It's not that conservatives have nothing to offer black people. It's worse than that. Conservatives have actively and nakedly attempted to work against the interests of black people since the dawn of this nation.

I personally think that the general black community has too often been steered wrong by both whites and its own leadership, and will have to self-correct in order to get out of the mess that it's in. But where does the GOP/Tea Party fit into that? The answer is that it doesn't. And so black people will continue to go with the one voting option that at least makes an effort to help.
 
Opopanax said:
In 2012, Romney received about 7% of the black vote.

U.S. Census Confirms: Mitt Romney Won Abysmal 17 percent of Votes among People of Color. | Alternet

Right now, Trump is around 1%. That's not what one should call "making inroads." Trump has instead accomplished the exact opposite of that. But that's just what come to be expected from American conservatives nowadays: an utter disregard for empirical facts. That anyone's vote is sacrosanct, well, that's something you've made up and has no basis in reality. Democrats have worked hard to cultivate the black vote.
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If I have no money and I earn a dollar, I have improved my situation - that's making inroads. You seem somewhat confused about that. In this election, which appears to be largely tied at present, any votes Trump might receive from the black community would be a benefit to him. And I don't doubt that democrats have worked hard to cultivate the black vote. Seems that's all they've worked on, and in case you didn't notice it, you just made my case for me in that you folks on the left view the black vote as your right - because you've worked hard.

While the center and left in America has been far from perfect, and often misguided in addressing black issues, at least they've tried. The Civil Rights Act, voting rights, education, various outreach programs; a seat offered at the table. But conservatives have resisted those efforts at every turn. It's not that conservatives have nothing to offer black people. It's worse than that. Conservatives have actively and nakedly attempted to work against the interests of black people since the dawn of this nation.
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That's demonstrably untrue in so many respects it's laughable, but Lincoln, by his own assertion, was a conservative. Your understanding of history appears to have some significant and erroneous revisions.

I personally think that the general black community has too often been steered wrong by both whites and its own leadership, and will have to self-correct in order to get out of the mess that it's in. But where does the GOP/Tea Party fit into that? The answer is that it doesn't. And so black people will continue to go with the one voting option that at least makes an effort to help.
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If the past eight years is indicative of democrat help, it looks like they could do with a little less of it.
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humbolt said:
If I have no money and I earn a dollar, I have improved my situation - that's making inroads. You seem somewhat confused about that. In this election, which appears to be largely tied at present, any votes Trump might receive from the black community would be a benefit to him. And I don't doubt that democrats have worked hard to cultivate the black vote. Seems that's all they've worked on, and in case you didn't notice it, you just made my case for me in that you folks on the left view the black vote as your right - because you've worked hard.



That's demonstrably untrue in so many respects it's laughable, but Lincoln, by his own assertion, was a conservative. Your understanding of history appears to have some significant and erroneous revisions.



If the past eight years is indicative of democrat help, it looks like they could do with a little less of it.
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Amen!
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humbolt said:
If I have no money and I earn a dollar, I have improved my situation - that's making inroads.
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What??? He's going to garner significantly less black votes than the last Republican nominee did. The proper analogy is that if you had $7 on Monday, and now have $1 on Tuesday, then you have less money on Tuesday than you did on Monday.

And I don't doubt that democrats have worked hard to cultivate the black vote. Seems that's all they've worked on, and in case you didn't notice it, you just made my case for me in that you folks on the left view the black vote as your right - because you've worked hard.
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Yes. Cultivating votes takes work. That's why Democrats have the black vote. Conversely, it's why Republicans do not. And that's because they don't care about a significant portion of the population. Action speaks and for example, progressive acts have gotten everyone the right to vote. Something conservatives fought against at every turn.

That's demonstrably untrue in so many respects it's laughable, but Lincoln, by his own assertion, was a conservative. Your understanding of history appears to have some significant and erroneous revisions.
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What's laughable is that you think the Republican party of 1860 is the same that it is now. Freeing slaves was social progress. There weren't a bunch of pre-Communists running around in the South owning slaves. And ever since that time, it has been progressive thought that has worked to advance the notion of actual equality, regardless of how a person may or may not have labelled themselves. And what the hell does Lincoln have to do with anything today anyway?

As conservatives strike down the voting rights act, do everything within their power to suppress votes, and run a POTUS candidate who has attracted white supremacists to his campaign like flies to a steaming dog turd, how do you, for more than one second, seriously entertain the notion that the GOP/Tea Party has any hopes of attracting the non-white vote?

What does the GOP have to offer them?

If the past eight years is indicative of democrat help, it looks like they could do with a little less of it.
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At least the Democrats try to advance their interests. Again, what has the GOP offered them?
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Opopanax said:
humbolt said:
What??? He's going to garner significantly less black votes than the last Republican nominee did. The proper analogy is that if you had $7 on Monday, and now have $1 on Tuesday, then you have less money on Tuesday than you did on Monday.



Yes. Cultivating votes takes work. That's why Democrats have the black vote. Conversely, it's why Republicans do not. And that's because they don't care about a significant portion of the population. Action speaks and for example, progressive acts have gotten everyone the right to vote. Something conservatives fought against at every turn.



What's laughable is that you think the Republican party of 1860 is the same that it is now. Freeing slaves was social progress. There weren't a bunch of pre-Communists running around in the South owning slaves. And ever since that time, it has been progressive thought that has worked to advance the notion of actual equality, regardless of how a person may or may not have labelled themselves. And what the hell does Lincoln have to do with anything today anyway?

As conservatives strike down the voting rights act, do everything within their power to suppress votes, and run a POTUS candidate who has attracted white supremacists to his campaign like flies to a steaming dog turd, how do you, for more than one second, seriously entertain the notion that the GOP/Tea Party has any hopes of attracting the non-white vote?

What does the GOP have to offer them?



At least the Democrats try to advance their interests. Again, what has the GOP offered them?
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Uh oh. Wall 'o text, in which I'm sure you're shredding me. I'm on my third gin and tonic (with lots and lots of lime). Looks good, I gotta say that. I'll get back to you later.
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humbolt said:
Opopanax said:
Uh oh. Wall 'o text, in which I'm sure you're shredding me. I'm on my third gin and tonic (with lots and lots of lime). Looks good, I gotta say that. I'll get back to you later.
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If you aren't capable of reading 4 short paragraphs and two single lines it probably indicates that your intellect is stunted--probably from drinking too much.

"I'm too drunk to think."

Yet, you get to vote.
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It pisses me off when I see people legitimating Trump and his followers by giving them the attention and attempting to reason with them, whether politely or impolitely. All that is due to that trash is to put them down and yell at them stuuped.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
That kind of monolithic portrayal of African Americans is not help helping Trump get their votes.
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What would you consider monolithic, a super majority of African Americans? Seventy-five percent, 85% or the 95+% that voted for Obama? That sufficiently monolithic for ya?
 
Opopanax said:
No. It's ridicule-worthy because there is absolutely no evidence that he's making inroads with black people. He's polling at 1% or less. Here's how claims work:

It is upon the person making the claim to provide evidence for that claim.

In this case, the claim is that "liberals" are afraid of Trump taking black votes from Hillary, with the implication that he is doing so.

1. Who is afraid and how is this evidenced?
2. What is the evidence that he's any threat to take the black vote from Hillary?

If I were to claim that Hillary is taking the uneducated white male vote, I would have to provide numbers to support that claim. But there's no evidence to support that, so I don't make that assertion.
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I think we can all agree that Hillary will get less of the black vote than Obama, right? Hillary is the threat that she will take the black vote away from Hillary. More will opt out of this election as will some Bernie voters... so that all accrues to the interests of a Trump.

Polls are just snapshots, faulty at that. One is left to make suppositions, and the above is about as accurate as one can hope to get at this point.
 
blaxshep said:
After 60 years of false promises you would think the blacks would wise up, but I guess if they were smart they wouldn't need the Democrats to feed them off the public teat in the first place.
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That's because the left has purposely suppressed blacks and kept them dependent on gov't. They are still on the democrat plantation. They keep them there by programming them with feelings of lack and limitation never lifting them up. Leftists can't afford for blacks to be lifted up.
 
Opopanax said:
humbolt said:
If you aren't capable of reading 4 short paragraphs and two single lines it probably indicates that your intellect is stunted--probably from drinking too much.

"I'm too drunk to think."

Yet, you get to vote.
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I actually had no interest in reading it at the time. I'll take a look at it now, but I'm pretty sure I already know what it says. In fact, I think you summed it up nicely when you claimed that the political left has worked for the votes of the black community. That speaks volumes and proves the OP was on target for at least some of the political left, including you.
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Opopanax said:
No. It's ridicule-worthy because there is absolutely no evidence that he's making inroads with black people. He's polling at 1% or less. Here's how claims work:

It is upon the person making the claim to provide evidence for that claim.

In this case, the claim is that "liberals" are afraid of Trump taking black votes from Hillary, with the implication that he is doing so.

1. Who is afraid and how is this evidenced?
2. What is the evidence that he's any threat to take the black vote from Hillary?

If I were to claim that Hillary is taking the uneducated white male vote, I would have to provide numbers to support that claim. But there's no evidence to support that, so I don't make that assertion.
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According to the latest Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll Trump received a positive rating from 35 percent of Hispanics and 24 percent of African-Americans.

This is after one single effort to reach out to the African American community.

I probably can't provide any evidence that Leftists are afraid, but I would argue that they would have to be idiots to not be at least a little concerned.

If Trump is able to alter his message such that it speaks to the poor, underemployed, and blue collar laborers of all colors (the way he's cornered the market on that demographic among whites), who, when really asked to question their personal state of affairs, come to the realization that they're being left behind by both the Left and the Right status quo, then the Democrats are going to have some real problems.

Lets not forget that we're talking about a guy who has made a very lucrative career of deal making.

He had no need to cut deals with African Americans during the primaries, because they don't, as a group, vote in Republican primaries.

Now that he realizes that he needs to cut deals with that community in order to win the general election there's a chance he's going to go about doing so very skillfully.

Anyone with half a brain would want to get ahead of something like that, assuming doing so is even possible.
 
Opopanax said:
humbolt said:
What??? He's going to garner significantly less black votes than the last Republican nominee did. The proper analogy is that if you had $7 on Monday, and now have $1 on Tuesday, then you have less money on Tuesday than you did on Monday.
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That's not the proper analogy at all. Trump has virtually no support in the black community. If he gets even a little as a result of his outreach, it's an improvement. This is a very, very simple proposition that a blind man can see. Romney's level of support in the black community has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's support. They are two very different candidates despite the R behind their names.



Yes. Cultivating votes takes work. That's why Democrats have the black vote. Conversely, it's why Republicans do not. And that's because they don't care about a significant portion of the population. Action speaks and for example, progressive acts have gotten everyone the right to vote. Something conservatives fought against at every turn.
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I told you to read some history. You haven't, and you continue to get it wrong.



What's laughable is that you think the Republican party of 1860 is the same that it is now. Freeing slaves was social progress. There weren't a bunch of pre-Communists running around in the South owning slaves. And ever since that time, it has been progressive thought that has worked to advance the notion of actual equality, regardless of how a person may or may not have labelled themselves. And what the hell does Lincoln have to do with anything today anyway?
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See above. The essential principles of conservatism haven't changed very much over the years. Neither has progressive thought, for that matter. Political pols love to talk about these changes on a daily basis, but they're cackling about changes at the margins.

As conservatives strike down the voting rights act, do everything within their power to suppress votes, and run a POTUS candidate who has attracted white supremacists to his campaign like flies to a steaming dog turd, how do you, for more than one second, seriously entertain the notion that the GOP/Tea Party has any hopes of attracting the non-white vote?
I don't accept your characterization from the start, but it doesn't matter what I think the chances might be that Trump will collect some non-white votes. Trump thinks he can.

What does the GOP have to offer them?
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You could read Trump's platform and make your own decision. Or, you can go read some liberal screed and take their word for it. Or, you can go read some conservative screed and take their word for it.



At least the Democrats try to advance their interests. Again, what has the GOP offered them?
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Look, you believe I'm some rabid Trump supporter. I'm not. I am pointing out that many on the left believe the black vote is sacred ground not to be courted by the political right. Given conditions for blacks over the past 8 years, I'd say they aren't doing very well just now. So if your fellow political travelers are helping the black community, it's starting to look as if the black community could do with less of that help.
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yankintx said:
Outreach to blacks? The only outreach to blacks the Don has successfully completed is tipping the doorman at Trump Tower, if that counts.
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That's if he tips at all.
 
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