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Obama nominates Muslim Federal Judge

JumpinJack said:
I don't think there's a religious test for judges.

A few years back, your post would've read: "Obama Nominates A Jew to be A Federal Judge."

Your post reminds me of something. Hmmm. What could it be?
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You know a good reason to be nominated besides diversity or politics, I want to hear it. I don't see anything that demonstrates otherwise.
 
American said:
You know a good reason to be nominated besides diversity or politics, I want to hear it. I don't see anything that demonstrates otherwise.
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There are all sorts of qualities to be a good judge. An even temperament, a great mind, a high level education background, a successful legal career including well written briefs and arguments, not having a bad addiction that could interfere (alcoholism, drug addiction), years in the legal field under his/her belt. Apparently, this man has those things, or he wouldn't have been nominated. He's not a personal friend of the President's, as far as I know. Notwithstanding, diversity does need to be kept in mind, since the judgeships in the nation should represent the populace.

Scenes like the following should not happen in America:

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All-male panel at a Congressional hearing about WOMEN'S BIRTH CONTROL.

Like going back in time to the 19th century. Diversity DOES matter and is a legitimate consideration for just about anything...schools, panels, congress, judge appointments, companies.

Imagine a panel put together by Congress to help them make key decisions about, say, reverse discrimination on white males...and the panel consists of all black females.
 
JumpinJack said:
There are all sorts of qualities to be a good judge. An even temperament, a great mind, a high level education background, a successful legal career including well written briefs and arguments, not having a bad addiction that could interfere (alcoholism, drug addiction), years in the legal field under his/her belt. Apparently, this man has those things, or he wouldn't have been nominated. He's not a personal friend of the President's, as far as I know. Notwithstanding, diversity does need to be kept in mind, since the judgeships in the nation should represent the populace.

Scenes like the following should not happen in America:

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All-male panel at a Congressional hearing about WOMEN'S BIRTH CONTROL.

Like going back in time to the 19th century. Diversity DOES matter and is a legitimate consideration for just about anything...schools, panels, congress, judge appointments, companies.

Imagine a panel put together by Congress to help them make key decisions about, say, reverse discrimination on white males...and the panel consists of all black females.
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Good, put the male Muslim in there. I'm sure you'll get the result you want.
 
American said:
Good, put the male Muslim in there. I'm sure you'll get the result you want.
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You don't know a thing about this man's qualifications, so why are you assuming he's unqualified?
 
American said:
You know a good reason to be nominated besides diversity or politics, I want to hear it. I don't see anything that demonstrates otherwise.
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Prove it!! Its your biased opinion, nothing more.
 
yankintx said:
Prove it!! Its your biased opinion, nothing more.
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I posted an article, that didn't give anything about his background. I haven't found any real details about him, other than running a pro bono law firm. So what makes him worthy of being a federal judge? All Obama ever talks about is racism.

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American said:
I posted an article, that didn't give anything about his background. I haven't found any real details about him, other than running a pro bono law firm. So what makes him worthy of being a federal judge? All Obama ever talks about is racism.

2+2=4
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What's the definition of "worthy of being a federal judge"?

I don't know, but I've heard Obama talk once or twice and not be talking about racism.
 
tres borrachos said:
What's the definition of "worthy of being a federal judge"?

I don't know, but I've heard Obama talk once or twice and not be talking about racism.
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I realize that everyone wants to make hay out of this thread, and suspend disbelief that Obama would never try to make a political statement by nominating a Muslim to the federal bench. Really? After 8 years of this race baiting clown, and you just can't imagine it?

Whatever.
 
American said:
I realize that everyone wants to make hay out of this thread, and suspend disbelief that Obama would never try to make a political statement by nominating a Muslim to the federal bench. Really? After 8 years of this race baiting clown, and you just can't imagine it?

Whatever.
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I'm just asking you to explain your own words. There are something like 3000 of these judges. What do they have that he doesn't? And if he's Muslim, so what? I don't object to Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Scientologists, etc. Why would it bother anyone that he's a Muslim?
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm just asking you to explain your own words. There are something like 3000 of these judges. What do they have that he doesn't? And if he's Muslim, so what? I don't object to Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Scientologists, etc. Why would it bother anyone that he's a Muslim?
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I've explain myself enough times now to you and others. I don't have to do it more than once, just because you want to hear it. I said it was political, I never talked about how much it bothered anyone. You want to change the conversation, I'm not biting.
 
American said:
I've explain myself enough times now to you and others. I don't have to do it more than once, just because you want to hear it. I said it was political, I never talked about how much it bothered anyone. You want to change the conversation, I'm not biting.
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You didn't explain yourself, American. The only thing I see is that you're annoyed that a Muslim was nominated to the group of federal judges. Okay, that's pretty bigoted of you, but whatever. And if your argument is this is a political appointment, I gather you don't understand that the President is political and will nominate people to satisfy his political views? Obama isn't the first POTUS to do such a thing. Should he have nominated a far right Evangelistic judge instead?
 
American said:
I've explain myself enough times now to you and others. I don't have to do it more than once, just because you want to hear it. I said it was political, I never talked about how much it bothered anyone. You want to change the conversation, I'm not biting.
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You said it's political without any actual basis for doing so.

The only reason you think that is because the judge is Muslim. Apparently, just being Muslim in a federal position is a political statement, I guess? Is the same true for a Jewish judge, or are only Islamic appointees "political?"
 
American said:
I realize that everyone wants to make hay out of this thread, and suspend disbelief that Obama would never try to make a political statement by nominating a Muslim to the federal bench. Really? After 8 years of this race baiting clown, and you just can't imagine it?

Whatever.
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Racism exists, but apparently it's "race baiting" to talk about it.
 
American said:
I realize that everyone wants to make hay out of this thread, and suspend disbelief that Obama would never try to make a political statement by nominating a Muslim to the federal bench. Really? After 8 years of this race baiting clown, and you just can't imagine it?

Whatever.
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Out of curiosity, how might a Muslim judge be nominated in a way that doesn't seem political to you?
 
Cardinal said:
Out of curiosity, how might a Muslim judge be nominated in a way that doesn't seem political to you?
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If someone with an (R) next to their name does it.
 
American said:
Good, put the male Muslim in there. I'm sure you'll get the result you want.
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One of those men may be Muslim. He's still male....the panel is not diverse, since they are all males. There is not a sufficient diversity of viewpoint, esp concerning a FEMALE matter.

But I don't think you understand the role of judges, if you think it's about what you or I want (contrary to what Republicans believe). It's about applying and interpreting the law as written to a specific set of circumstances.

Just as if THIS were the panel to consider legal steps regarding reverse discrimination against white males:

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coldjoint said:
Obama plays fast and lose with our lives and our constitution. Just one more step.
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You aren't familiar with the Constitution, apparently. It is PRECISELY the Constitution that guarantees that there is no religious test for nominations.

It is our Declaration of Independence that provides that ALL men are created equal in our country.

Therefore, there is no valid reason not to nominate anyone based on religion or lack of religion. If you don't agree with that, then it is you who doesn't believe in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Unpopular choices are the test of our laws of freedom and equality. We don't need laws for popular choices.
 
JumpinJack said:
You aren't familiar with the Constitution, apparently. It is PRECISELY the Constitution that guarantees that there is no religious test for nominations.

It is our Declaration of Independence that provides that ALL men are created equal in our country.

Therefore, there is no valid reason not to nominate anyone based on religion or lack of religion. If you don't agree with that, then it is you who doesn't believe in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Unpopular choices are the test of our laws of freedom and equality. We don't need laws for popular choices.
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I said 0 about the Constitution. I said something about the oath to protect it.
 
coldjoint said:
I said 0 about the Constitution. I said something about the oath to protect it.
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Reminder as to what you said:

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Obama plays fast and lose with our lives and our constitution. Just one more step.
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Even if you are now stating that you meant to say that Obama is not supporting our Constitution: Our Constitution states:

Article. VI.

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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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To protect and support the Constitution means to nominate people without regard to the person's religion, or even the lack of religion.
 
JumpinJack said:
Reminder as to what you said:



Even if you are now stating that you meant to say that Obama is not supporting our Constitution: Our Constitution states:



To protect and support the Constitution means to nominate people without regard to the person's religion, or even the lack of religion.
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That comment was about Obama more than the Constitution. And I do not disagree with your points about appointing someone. I just think caution should be part of the process.
 
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