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Hillary will lead us to war.

Bucky

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It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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Actually he did

Shock jock Howard Stern asked Trump if he supported the looming invasion.

Trump responded, "Yeah, I guess so."
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Trump still wrong on his claim that opposed Iraq War ahead of the invasion | PolitiFact
 
Bucky said:
Trump says a lot of things so we cannot know for sure what his stance was.

With Hillary, it's clear: Look at the vote.
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If you like Trump's lying you're going to love Hillary
 
Every "dove liberal" i know went for Sanders or another, not Hillary and never will

Yes, i'm well aware what she voted as one of only 100 senators. It's rather difficult to imagine generals following president Hillary into anything, but if you're going to make such accusations, at least be more specific than that! Like where and when is this war gonna be?
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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Well, Kennedy got us started in Vietnam, so she is in a good Democrat tradition. But hey! I don't see much colonialism, unless you mean hegemony.
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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Although he's lied about it, Donald Trump supported the war in Iraq, too. So, what does that leave you? Me? I think a President Hillary Clinton or a President Donald Trump would only go to war if there was a buck in it, for them.
 
What war is Hillary going to start?
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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Colonialism my ass. The Iraq War wasn't about "colonialism".
 
Tigerace117 said:
Colonialism my ass. The Iraq War wasn't about "colonialism".
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You are right, it was not about "colonialism" but instead it was about oil and who got to control the production going forward. Some little company which had been led by a guy named Cheney profited greatly during the 'non-colonial' war.

2005 article - Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force

2007 article - Papers Detail Industry's Role in Cheney's Energy Report

From Wikipedia
Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force have not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials. The organisations Judicial Watch and Sierra Club launched a law suit (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) under the FOIA to gain access to the task force's materials. After several years of legal wrangling, in May, 2005 an appeals court permitted the Energy Task Force's records to remain secret.
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And The Winner For The Most Iraq War Contracts Is . . . KBR, With $39.5 Billion In A Decade
 
Somerville said:
You are right, it was not about "colonialism" but instead it was about oil and who got to control the production going forward. Some little company which had been led by a guy named Cheney profited greatly during the 'non-colonial' war.

2005 article - Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force

2007 article - Papers Detail Industry's Role in Cheney's Energy Report

From Wikipedia

And The Winner For The Most Iraq War Contracts Is . . . KBR, With $39.5 Billion In A Decade
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Well, let's put that "it's all about the oil" theory to the test. The United States gets most of its oil from the hostile and dangerous nation of....uh.....Canada. Saudi Arabia is the only middle eastern country in the top five sources--- the others are Venzuela, Mexico and Colombia. So right off the bat the theory is on shaky foundations.

How much petroleum does the United States import and export? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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you right wingers just arent well connected to the truth are you
 
Tigerace117 said:
Well, let's put that "it's all about the oil" theory to the test. The United States gets most of its oil from the hostile and dangerous nation of....uh.....Canada. Saudi Arabia is the only middle eastern country in the top five sources--- the others are Venzuela, Mexico and Colombia. So right off the bat the theory is on shaky foundations.

How much petroleum does the United States import and export? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
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Where the US gets its oil is not the same as where companies get their oil and profits. A multi-national with foreign subsidiaries does not need to sell oil to the US - so your attempt at a rebuttal is a swing and a miss.
 
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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...We're already IN war. Have been since Bush led us there. You mean that Hillary will continue the infinity war started by Bush and perpetuated by Obama. And yes...yes she will.
 
Bucky said:
Trump says a lot of things so we cannot know for sure what his stance was.

With Hillary, it's clear: Look at the vote.
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So your defense is that Trump lies and backtracks so much, we don't know what he actually thinks. But Hillary is consistent enough that we know her stance. And is that supposed to be an endorsement for Trump...cause it's not.
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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The best is to vote for Gary Johnson. He seems to be the less "warish" one among the president candidates, and at the same time he advocates rational economic politics. Trump does not seem "warish" towards Russia, but I do not trust him to be generally more peaceful than Hillary.
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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I think a good president or in this case, a presidential candidate must know when to use military force and when not too. Right now, I do not think either Trump or Hillary Clinton know that or have the faintest idea. I do think Hillary Clinton is a go with the flow type of candidate when it comes to war and peace. She seen the majority of Americans back in 2003 were for the war with Iraq and so she voted. Then when the mood changed, she became against it

I think I want a president that sits down and thinks these things through, that does not act with knee jerk reactions or just because the public want war. I want a president that shifts through all options and all scenario's of what and how our actions will affect that region, country and what have you.
 
Perotista said:
I think a good president or in this case, a presidential candidate must know when to use military force and when not too. Right now, I do not think either Trump or Hillary Clinton know that or have the faintest idea. I do think Hillary Clinton is a go with the flow type of candidate when it comes to war and peace. She seen the majority of Americans back in 2003 were for the war with Iraq and so she voted. Then when the mood changed, she became against it

I think I want a president that sits down and thinks these things through, that does not act with knee jerk reactions or just because the public want war. I want a president that shifts through all options and all scenario's of what and how our actions will affect that region, country and what have you.
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Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

:agree: I don't think that anyone but the elite want wars... because it's profitable for them, plus their children usually get deferments by one means or another. The "little people" are the ones that pay the price because they are the ones that are sent to fight said wars, and way too many come home maimed in both body and soul - look at the sorry disgrace of our VA hospitals - or the ultimate horror for their families - in caskets from some God-forsaken place where we never should have been in the first place! When I see pictures of innocent dead little children, it makes me both sick and very angry to know that it's because of someone's crappy plan on paper!

If and when we are directly attacked, H*** yes we'll fight to protect our way of life, door to door if necessary, IMO! Until that occurs, is it too much to expect our leaders to spend our resources - in both money and lives - wisely?

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polgara said:
Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

:agree: I don't think that anyone but the elite want wars... because it's profitable for them, plus their children usually get deferments by one means or another. The "little people" are the ones that pay the price because they are the ones that are sent to fight said wars, and way too many come home maimed in both body and soul - look at the sorry disgrace of our VA hospitals - or the ultimate horror for their families - in caskets from some God-forsaken place where we never should have been in the first place! When I see pictures of innocent dead little children, it makes me both sick and very angry to know that it's because of someone's crappy plan on paper!

If and when we are directly attacked, H*** yes we'll fight to protect our way of life, door to door if necessary, IMO! Until that occurs, is it too much to expect our leaders to spend our resources - in both money and lives - wisely?

:rantoff:
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Not only are the little people defending the elite's profits in the Middle East but we will also be forced by Hillary to take in all the refugees we create over there, further destroying our economy and our way of life.
 
Bucky said:
It seems many have forgotten Hillary voted for the Iraq war in 2002. She supports nation building and colonialism. Surprisingly Trump did not support the war.

If we want to see a hawk president bringing back the policies of Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, you have your candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Shame on you dove liberals voting for a war hungry madam president.
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Hillary was a little hawkish at the time. But again that was the time Bush sold to America the big lie on WMD. That's why Obama is great! How many US senators voted No to the war at the time?

As to Trump, the only thing we know about him is that he doesn't have any real policy stance on anything.
 
blaxshep said:
Not only are the little people defending the elite's profits in the Middle East but we will also be forced by Hillary to take in all the refugees we create over there, further destroying our economy and our way of life.
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Greetings, blaxshep. :2wave:

Well said, sir! :thumbs: Why some would want to destroy the very country that gave them the riches that they have can only be one thing - GREED! Sadly, even when they get everything they want, by whatever means it takes to get it, it will never be enough!

It's unfortunate that the guillotine is no longer fashionable, but considered barbaric today - it was successful in getting the message across to the elite at that time - it did work! :shock:
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, blaxshep. :2wave:

Well said, sir! :thumbs: Why some would want to destroy the very country that gave them the riches that they have can only be one thing - GREED! Sadly, even when they get everything they want, by whatever means it takes to get it, it will never be enough! It's unfortunate that the guillotine is no longer fashionable, but considered barbaric today - it did work! :shock:
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I believe we need a cap on wealth, but it would have to be a global one. ... I'm not a big fan of the idea of a global government.
 
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