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Do our elections really matter?

Higgins86

Higgins86

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I haven't posted much political content over the past 12 months because I found myself becoming very isolated from the political landscape. As many of you know I'm from the UK and the last 12 months have been very fractured due to the Brexit vote. Now I voted to leave the EU because I believed that by doing so the working/middle class could take back some political power and attempt to carve out our own future away from the bureaucrats. It was a narrative that I bought into and was very happy with the vote, but as the months tick by I have heard little on how we are going to become independent and in truth have had no reassurance from my government that this separation will actually happen. Even if the brexit is to happen I think its going to be so watered down in order to protect the big banks that it will have no really effect on my life. I mean in the past couple of days even Japan have been trying to influence how we break away because no matter what happens Globalization always comes out on top.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...329.html/RK=0/RS=yBSmen7ysMybktrqvVk8UzOZ8Hg-

Now the world is witnessing yet another American election and we are being led to believe that this is the biggest election of our time, Clinton is a criminal that can't be trusted and Trump the bigot/Nazi that is hell bent on starting WW3. But really what will it change?

It seems that every election cycle we hear the doomsday verses and how each candidate will change things for the better but what really changes? I mean the housing market decline was set in motion during the 1980's, warnings were ignored, presidents etc elected and the wheel kept on spinning until the economic collapse. In that 30 year period no elected official from any major western country dared address this issue.
Foreign policy we see countries wade in to countries like Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc. They make the same mistakes, someone runs against them and promises the people it wont happen again and then it does. I mean even humanitarian issues like Rwanda the whole world stopped and said no more until it happened in the Balkans no long after and now in Syria. Western citizens are extremely alarmed by the climate crisis and yet election after election little to nothing is done.


The one constant is that me and you go to work, pay taxes and then die. Maybe I'm being extremely negative but I just feel like a hamster on the wheel.
 
Higgins86 said:
I haven't posted much political content over the past 12 months because I found myself becoming very isolated from the political landscape. As many of you know I'm from the UK and the last 12 months have been very fractured due to the Brexit vote. Now I voted to leave the EU because I believed that by doing so the working/middle class could take back some political power and attempt to carve out our own future away from the bureaucrats. It was a narrative that I bought into and was very happy with the vote, but as the months tick by I have heard little on how we are going to become independent and in truth have had no reassurance from my government that this separation will actually happen. Even if the brexit is to happen I think its going to be so watered down in order to protect the big banks that it will have no really effect on my life. I mean in the past couple of days even Japan have been trying to influence how we break away because no matter what happens Globalization always comes out on top.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...329.html/RK=0/RS=yBSmen7ysMybktrqvVk8UzOZ8Hg-

Now the world is witnessing yet another American election and we are being led to believe that this is the biggest election of our time, Clinton is a criminal that can't be trusted and Trump the bigot/Nazi that is hell bent on starting WW3. But really what will it change?

It seems that every election cycle we hear the doomsday verses and how each candidate will change things for the better but what really changes? I mean the housing market decline was set in motion during the 1980's, warnings were ignored, presidents etc elected and the wheel kept on spinning until the economic collapse. In that 30 year period no elected official from any major western country dared address this issue.
Foreign policy we see countries wade in to countries like Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc. They make the same mistakes, someone runs against them and promises the people it wont happen again and then it does. I mean even humanitarian issues like Rwanda the whole world stopped and said no more until it happened in the Balkans no long after and now in Syria. Western citizens are extremely alarmed by the climate crisis and yet election after election little to nothing is done.


The one constant is that me and you go to work, pay taxes and then die. Maybe I'm being extremely negative but I just feel like a hamster on the wheel.
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You are. And you left out one more constant....


No matter what happens, the banks will retain power. As you are currently witnessing.
 
Every election results in more government, less personal freedom and more power ceded to the wealthy. Enjoy your time on (and off) the hamster wheel and don't forget to vote. ;)
 
KevinKohler said:
You are. And you left out one more constant....


No matter what happens, the banks will retain power. As you are currently witnessing.
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Yeh I mean I was actually living in the US during 2008-2012 and Obama got voted in and everyone said this is it, this is the moment we take back the power. Instead they bailed out the banks, increased lending while they increased corporate bonus's. It's just all sickening.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Every election results in more government, less personal freedom and more power ceded to the wealthy. Enjoy your time on (and off) the hamster wheel and don't forget to vote. ;)
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It's a good distraction until the superbowl and world cup right!
 
Higgins86 said:
I haven't posted much political content over the past 12 months because I found myself becoming very isolated from the political landscape. As many of you know I'm from the UK and the last 12 months have been very fractured due to the Brexit vote. Now I voted to leave the EU because I believed that by doing so the working/middle class could take back some political power and attempt to carve out our own future away from the bureaucrats. It was a narrative that I bought into and was very happy with the vote, but as the months tick by I have heard little on how we are going to become independent and in truth have had no reassurance from my government that this separation will actually happen. Even if the brexit is to happen I think its going to be so watered down in order to protect the big banks that it will have no really effect on my life. I mean in the past couple of days even Japan have been trying to influence how we break away because no matter what happens Globalization always comes out on top.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...329.html/RK=0/RS=yBSmen7ysMybktrqvVk8UzOZ8Hg-

Now the world is witnessing yet another American election and we are being led to believe that this is the biggest election of our time, Clinton is a criminal that can't be trusted and Trump the bigot/Nazi that is hell bent on starting WW3. But really what will it change?

It seems that every election cycle we hear the doomsday verses and how each candidate will change things for the better but what really changes? I mean the housing market decline was set in motion during the 1980's, warnings were ignored, presidents etc elected and the wheel kept on spinning until the economic collapse. In that 30 year period no elected official from any major western country dared address this issue.
Foreign policy we see countries wade in to countries like Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc. They make the same mistakes, someone runs against them and promises the people it wont happen again and then it does. I mean even humanitarian issues like Rwanda the whole world stopped and said no more until it happened in the Balkans no long after and now in Syria. Western citizens are extremely alarmed by the climate crisis and yet election after election little to nothing is done.


The one constant is that me and you go to work, pay taxes and then die. Maybe I'm being extremely negative but I just feel like a hamster on the wheel.
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Maybe you are waking up.

The elite have long diverted your attention so that they could pick your pocket.
 
Higgins86 said:
Yeh I mean I was actually living in the US during 2008-2012 and Obama got voted in and everyone said this is it, this is the moment we take back the power. Instead they bailed out the banks, increased lending while they increased corporate bonus's. It's just all sickening.
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Oh, Obama. He promised so much and didn't deliver.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Maybe you are waking up.

The elite have long diverted your attention so that they could pick your pocket.
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Maybe! I joined the British army at aged 16, deployed to Iraq aged 18. Bought into the god and country narrative but it really hasn't got me anywhere. Don't get me wrong I have a great family, a nice house which I pay a nice mortgage on and I go on nice holidays. But the idea that my own destiny is in my hands is long gone, no matter what it seems you join a certain line and put your head down.
 
TheGoverness said:
Oh, Obama. He promised so much and didn't deliver.
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But that's my point, how much of that is on Obama? Every candidate comes and goes and are left with those accusations. At one point do we start attacking the system rather than the men elected?
 
Higgins86 said:
But that's my point, how much of that is on Obama? Every candidate comes and goes and are left with those accusations. At one point do we start attacking the system rather than the men elected?
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I think you are absolutely right, we should be attacking the system rather than the individual politicians themselves.
 
I'd normally agree the doom and gloom isn't justified.

But in the case of Trump, this really is a man who is simply too dangerous to be President.
 
Higgins86 said:
But that's my point, how much of that is on Obama? Every candidate comes and goes and are left with those accusations. At one point do we start attacking the system rather than the men elected?
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Which is why I'm voting Trump. He's going to be a catastrophe. I'm tired of more of the same, and rather than go rioting and firebombing in the streets, I'm sending that douche in to do it for me. He is my Molotov cocktail.
 
Higgins86 said:
I haven't posted much political content over the past 12 months because I found myself becoming very isolated from the political landscape. As many of you know I'm from the UK and the last 12 months have been very fractured due to the Brexit vote. Now I voted to leave the EU because I believed that by doing so the working/middle class could take back some political power and attempt to carve out our own future away from the bureaucrats. It was a narrative that I bought into and was very happy with the vote, but as the months tick by I have heard little on how we are going to become independent and in truth have had no reassurance from my government that this separation will actually happen. Even if the brexit is to happen I think its going to be so watered down in order to protect the big banks that it will have no really effect on my life. I mean in the past couple of days even Japan have been trying to influence how we break away because no matter what happens Globalization always comes out on top.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...329.html/RK=0/RS=yBSmen7ysMybktrqvVk8UzOZ8Hg-

Now the world is witnessing yet another American election and we are being led to believe that this is the biggest election of our time, Clinton is a criminal that can't be trusted and Trump the bigot/Nazi that is hell bent on starting WW3. But really what will it change?

It seems that every election cycle we hear the doomsday verses and how each candidate will change things for the better but what really changes? I mean the housing market decline was set in motion during the 1980's, warnings were ignored, presidents etc elected and the wheel kept on spinning until the economic collapse. In that 30 year period no elected official from any major western country dared address this issue.
Foreign policy we see countries wade in to countries like Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc. They make the same mistakes, someone runs against them and promises the people it wont happen again and then it does. I mean even humanitarian issues like Rwanda the whole world stopped and said no more until it happened in the Balkans no long after and now in Syria. Western citizens are extremely alarmed by the climate crisis and yet election after election little to nothing is done.


The one constant is that me and you go to work, pay taxes and then die. Maybe I'm being extremely negative but I just feel like a hamster on the wheel.
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Namasnegatay. (The negativism and despair in me, recognizes and honors the negativism and despair in you.) :/
 
KevinKohler said:
Which is why I'm voting Trump. He's going to be a catastrophe. I'm tired of more of the same, and rather than go rioting and firebombing in the streets, I'm sending that douche in to do it for me. He is my Molotov cocktail.
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I guess to a degree that was what we did with Brexit, I imagine though it will play out the same way. A bunch of men in suits telling trump how high he can in fact build his wall and where he will buy said materials.
 
Goshin said:
Namasnegatay. (The negativism and despair in me, recognizes and honors the negativism and despair in you.) :/
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Sad though isn't Goshin, we are separated by an actual ocean and an ocean of culture yet we feel the same way.
 
Higgins86 said:
Sad though isn't Goshin, we are separated by an actual ocean and an ocean of culture yet we feel the same way.
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Yeah we're kinda fracked. Sad thing is, it didn't HAVE to be this way... but how we get out of this mess I dunno. As long as the same long-entrenched powers-that-be really run things, nothing is likely to change. Short of major rebellion, which I (quite reasonably imho) fear in its own right.
 
Higgins86 said:
I haven't posted much political content over the past 12 months because I found myself becoming very isolated from the political landscape. As many of you know I'm from the UK and the last 12 months have been very fractured due to the Brexit vote. Now I voted to leave the EU because I believed that by doing so the working/middle class could take back some political power and attempt to carve out our own future away from the bureaucrats. It was a narrative that I bought into and was very happy with the vote, but as the months tick by I have heard little on how we are going to become independent and in truth have had no reassurance from my government that this separation will actually happen. Even if the brexit is to happen I think its going to be so watered down in order to protect the big banks that it will have no really effect on my life. I mean in the past couple of days even Japan have been trying to influence how we break away because no matter what happens Globalization always comes out on top.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...329.html/RK=0/RS=yBSmen7ysMybktrqvVk8UzOZ8Hg-

Now the world is witnessing yet another American election and we are being led to believe that this is the biggest election of our time, Clinton is a criminal that can't be trusted and Trump the bigot/Nazi that is hell bent on starting WW3. But really what will it change?

It seems that every election cycle we hear the doomsday verses and how each candidate will change things for the better but what really changes? I mean the housing market decline was set in motion during the 1980's, warnings were ignored, presidents etc elected and the wheel kept on spinning until the economic collapse. In that 30 year period no elected official from any major western country dared address this issue.
Foreign policy we see countries wade in to countries like Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc. They make the same mistakes, someone runs against them and promises the people it wont happen again and then it does. I mean even humanitarian issues like Rwanda the whole world stopped and said no more until it happened in the Balkans no long after and now in Syria. Western citizens are extremely alarmed by the climate crisis and yet election after election little to nothing is done.


The one constant is that me and you go to work, pay taxes and then die. Maybe I'm being extremely negative but I just feel like a hamster on the wheel.
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In answer to the question, No.

What's interesting about this election in the US is that we might actually have a choice. They are both evil and fraught with peril, but very different brands of evil and peril.

Pick your poison. Choose the form of your destructor. Whatever.
 
Higgins86 said:
Who's paying for the DP forum? That's the big question. :mrgreen:
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Anonymous donors, those that volunteer to post here and our generous (non-paid?) moderators who donate their precious time.
 
Goshin said:
Yeah we're kinda fracked. Sad thing is, it didn't HAVE to be this way... but how we get out of this mess I dunno. As long as the same long-entrenched powers-that-be really run things, nothing is likely to change. Short of major rebellion, which I (quite reasonably imho) fear in its own right.
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I mean something has to change. I moved around Europe growing up and saw no paradise now they are crippled by unemployment and fear, moved to America and struggled to see the " American dream" of old and now I'm back in the UK where the sun has set on the empire and we are outsourcing every technical job imaginable. Britain has become a country of office and service industry workers who are about to get royally ****ed by the ageing population. Scratch that we are all about to get ****ed by the aging population.
 
Higgins86 said:
Sad though isn't Goshin, we are separated by an actual ocean and an ocean of culture yet we feel the same way.
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We, hamsters of the world, share a common bond (bondage?). ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Anonymous donors, those that volunteer to post here and our generous (non-paid?) moderators who donate their precious time.
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I was making a big bank joke. I actually donate in fact I will donate now as its been a few months and your post made me feel bad.
 
LowDown said:
In answer to the question, No.

What's interesting about this election in the US is that we might actually have a choice. They are both evil and fraught with peril, but very different brands of evil and peril.

Pick your poison. Choose the form of your destructor. Whatever.
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Like Ghostbusters
 
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