Government is evil by nature

Absentglare said:

That's a lot of whining. Obviously, the government doesn't represent us well. The problem is economic disparity, not some bizarre idea that government is evil.

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Economic disparity is a symptom and not the root cause. The root cause is that the government is completely and totally corrupt. Government evil is not a bizarre idea, it is simple observation. If you had any experience whatsoever in government you would know just how completely corrupt it is.
You are like most liberals, you are a religious fanatic who's religion is government. You maintain your faith in government despite overwhelming evidence that you see everywhere that government is nothing but a parasite on the working people.

You cannot however give up on that pipe dream that one day the government will steal the wealth of the rich and give you what you will not or can not earn for yourself.
The problem is that the government is not ever going to rob the rich and give to the poor. They are going to enslave the poor, for the benefit of the wealthy.

jdog said:

Economic disparity is a symptom and not the root cause. The root cause is that the government is completely and totally corrupt. Government evil is not a bizarre idea, it is simple observation. If you had any experience whatsoever in government you would know just how completely corrupt it is.
You are like most liberals, you are a religious fanatic who's religion is government. You maintain your faith in government despite overwhelming evidence that you see everywhere that government is nothing but a parasite on the working people.

You cannot however give up on that pipe dream that one day the government will steal the wealth of the rich and give you what you will not or can not earn for yourself.
The problem is that the government is not ever going to rob the rich and give to the poor. They are going to enslave the poor, for the benefit of the wealthy.

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Disparity existed before the government.

Your anti-liberal prejudice is irrelevant whether you equivocate liberalism with religion or not. I could just as well claim that your anti-government prejudice is similarly religious. See how that works ?

Earning requires a system. Systems are what create the disparity. Government is only one piece of that system. Liberals want the government to address market failures. Whining about all things government doesn't help. What helps is finding facts and applying logic to determine how government can improve the system. You're not doing that.

jdog said:

Exactly how much does it pay to be a internet shill? Your positions are pathetic. You must be being paid to write this drivel because no one on earth is actually as stupid as you pretend to be.

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lol... Insult is not an argument.

When you can find a way in which power given to one man over another can be prevented from being used for personal gain, then you can make a case for honest government, but you can't, and thus, honest government can never exist.

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lol... Yes, nothing quite like setting up impossible standards.

Deception, lies and cheating are a standard part of human behavior. Everyone lies. Most people can't go more than an hour without lying.

We know that things like rules, and the mere belief that someone is watching, tend to improve behavior. (See Daniel Ariely's work for more detail.)

We also incorporate a variety of mechanisms to keep government in line, including but not limited to:
• Transparency
• Accountability
• Elections
• Balance of powers
• Competition between branches and levels of government
• Rule of law

Thus:

1) Demanding that we have a perfectly "honest government" is like saying "everyone should stop having sex for 2 years." It's not going to happen.

2) Your impossible requirement does not eliminate the fact that a modern society needs government -- and that it is far from a given that "less government" somehow provides better functionality than a larger government.

Food safety is an obvious example. We have seen, over and over, that industries like meat packing cannot be trusted to supervise themselves. The threat of lawsuits is obviously not enough, as it merely becomes part of the cost of business. Regulation and oversight will never be 100% perfect, but it produces substantially better outcomes than leaving them to their own devices.

3) Somehow, your analysis completely ignores societal elements like common goods, or that elected governments rarely add services and functions which no one asks for.

Yes, there are inefficiencies in government -- as in any endeavor. Yes, our political leaders lie -- as do CEOs and doctors and bankers and everyone else. Yes, it's not perfect. However, the reality is that governance is human and a human need. Merely proclaiming "government is evil, therefore it must be as small as possible" is ultimately a half-baked argument that lacks a basic understanding of human nature.

Absentglare said:

Disparity existed before the government.

Your anti-liberal prejudice is irrelevant whether you equivocate liberalism with religion or not. I could just as well claim that your anti-government prejudice is similarly religious. See how that works ?

Earning requires a system. Systems are what create the disparity. Government is only one piece of that system. Liberals want the government to address market failures. Whining about all things government doesn't help. What helps is finding facts and applying logic to determine how government can improve the system. You're not doing that.

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Liberals are idiots. Not because they think government can be the answer, which is stupid, but because they deny what is so blatantly obvious. Government serves the rich, not the working people. Their "faith" in government is based completely on belief in lies and deceit, and an absolute refusal to accept the facts that government is owned by the wealth and screws the people for benefit of the wealthy.