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Colin Kaepernick had every right to sit down during the Pledge

Beaudreaux said:
I'm just swimming along. How about you?
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I am bored, waiting for a daughter to call, we have kept missing each other for weeks.....I am going to get this call.

DP has been low on fun lately though, do you know anything about this sad state of affairs?

Low in interesting debate too.

Maybe it is me?
 
jdog said:
People have no right to be offended by Colin Kaepernick's protest when he sat out the Pledge of Allegiance. He has every right to express his shame of the policy's of the government.
People who call for his banishment from the NFL are opposing the very rights that the USA was founded on. They do not want a free country, they want a country where everyone pretends we are all united and that tramples the rights we are supposed to have.
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He had every right to do what he did.


We have every right to be offended.



Freedom works both ways.


Also, it often has consequences.
 
jdog said:
Yes I do, the difference is the intent of the action. In law, intent is important. Kaepernick was expressing his opinion, and we all have the right to do that. When someone tries to suppress that right through intimidation or slander, then they are going against the spirit of freedom of speech and individual freedom of opinion.
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The guy is an NFL quarterback. I'm sure he can handle the opinions of some NFL fans. I mean he's been pretty bad for a while now, so he is probably used to pissing people off.
 
jdog said:
Yes I do, the difference is the intent of the action. In law, intent is important. Kaepernick was expressing his opinion, and we all have the right to do that. When someone tries to suppress that right through intimidation or slander, then they are going against the spirit of freedom of speech and individual freedom of opinion.
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You're applying a double standard. Nobody is suppressing Kaepernick's expression.

They are disapproving of his action. They have a right to disapprove, and a right to express that disapproval.
 
TaterTots said:
What? He had every right to do what he did and everyone else has a right to complain about it. Also, people have the right to complain about people complaining and vice versa. This is the beauty of America. You have these choices without worrying about an live broadcast of your head being chopped off. Saying, "you have no right" shows you lack knowledge about our country.
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Unfortunately, complaining about what he is doing or why he is doing it is not what is happening. People are calling for his banishment from the NFL and publicly slandering him. The right to disagree with someone has limits. Personally I think he has very valid points and I commend him on doing something he knew would be unpopular and probably cost him endorsements in order to stand up for principals he believed in. I doubt if 1 in 1000 people who are complaining about what he did would have the courage to stand up for principal, especially if it cost them to do so.....
 
jdog said:
Unfortunately, complaining about what he is doing or why he is doing it is not what is happening. People are calling for his banishment from the NFL
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They have a right to call for it. I have a right to call for him getting a raise.

and publicly slandering him. The right to disagree with someone has limits.
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Identify a specific statement that meets the legal definition of slander.

Personally I think he has very valid points and I commend him on doing something he knew would be unpopular and probably cost him endorsements in order to stand up for principals he believed in. I doubt if 1 in 1000 people who are complaining about what he did would have the courage to stand up for principal, especially if it cost them to do so.....
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I commend him for standing up for his beliefs as well. That is not the issue here.
 
Deuce said:
You're applying a double standard. Nobody is suppressing Kaepernick's expression.

They are disapproving of his action. They have a right to disapprove, and a right to express that disapproval.
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Yes they are. When you call for banning someone from making a living at their profession, then you are trying to silence them....
 
jdog said:
Yes they are. When you call for banning someone from making a living at their profession, then you are trying to silence them....
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So, they don't have a right to express the opinion that he should be fired?
 
Deuce said:
So, they don't have a right to express the opinion that he should be fired?
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Do you understand the definition of a crime? A crime is an action in which you intentionally cause someone else harm....... Taking someone's livelihood because you do not agree with their opinion fits that definition.....
 
jdog said:
People have no right to be offended by Colin Kaepernick's protest when he sat out the Pledge of Allegiance. He has every right to express his shame of the policy's of the government.
People who call for his banishment from the NFL are opposing the very rights that the USA was founded on. They do not want a free country, they want a country where everyone pretends we are all united and that tramples the rights we are supposed to have.
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Your comment is pretty stupid. HE has a right to be offended and to not stand but OTHERS dont have a right to be offended?
 
jdog said:
Not if they support the freedoms this country was founded on.
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We have the freedom of dissent. That is what makes us great. If you block the freedom to dissent, then you don't have any freedom.
 
jdog said:
Do you understand the definition of a crime? A crime is an action in which you intentionally cause someone else harm....... Taking someone's livelihood because you do not agree with their opinion fits that definition.....
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Wow, so it's a crime to fire someone?
 
jdog said:
Unfortunately, complaining about what he is doing or why he is doing it is not what is happening. People are calling for his banishment from the NFL and publicly slandering him. The right to disagree with someone has limits. Personally I think he has very valid points and I commend him on doing something he knew would be unpopular and probably cost him endorsements in order to stand up for principals he believed in. I doubt if 1 in 1000 people who are complaining about what he did would have the courage to stand up for principal, especially if it cost them to do so.....
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I can't be that sympathetic since he is making over $100 million and talking about oppression. I find it odd that we have a black president(which is the highest honor) and some still talk about oppression. We live in an age where anyone can do what they want as long as they work for it, but to say someone can't say this or that is bologna. Even if it is calling for their job. Is that morally correct? No imo, but they can.
 
jdog said:
Yes they are. When you call for banning someone from making a living at their profession, then you are trying to silence them....
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Go cry me a river. He works in the entertainment business. The NFL doesn't produce food nor do they build buildings. The NFL doesn't provide protection of citizens.
The only thing they do is entertainment. If the NFL ceased to exist tomorrow our lives would continue and nobody would die.

His pay comes from fans. Without fans you don't get paid. He gave up on a majority of that fan base. That is all his decision. Besides his career is pretty much over anyway.
 
Deuce said:
Wow, so it's a crime to fire someone?
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Yes, if it is done under certain circumstances.... you do not know much about law do you?
 
jdog said:
Yes, if it is done under certain circumstances.... you do not know much about law do you?
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Do you have to be insulting in every post?

You said it's a crime to take away someone's livelihood, implying it's always a crime to fire someone. Do you stand by that statement?
 
VanceMack said:
Your comment is pretty stupid. HE has a right to be offended and to not stand but OTHERS dont have a right to be offended?
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If you are offended by the exercising of freedom, then logically, you are offended by freedom. If you are offended by freedom how do you reconcile that with being an American? An American is not someone who lives in America, it is someone who agrees with, and stands for the principals this country was founded on.

Taking action against someone for expressing their freedom is an act of repression of freedom and not compatible with American principals. You see that is the whole problem, the National Anthem is a meaningless hollow gesture. We do not support freedom in this country any more, we support mass murder for profit, suppression of rights, and blind Nationalism in the name of the imbecilic belief that what ever we do is right.....
 
jdog said:
If you are offended by the exercising of freedom, then logically, you are offended by freedom. If you are offended by freedom how do you reconcile that with being an American? An American is not someone who lives in America, it is someone who agrees with, and stands for the principals this country was founded on.

Taking action against someone for expressing their freedom is an act of repression of freedom and not compatible with American principals. You see that is the whole problem, the National Anthem is a meaningless hollow gesture. We do not support freedom in this country any more, we support mass murder for profit, suppression of rights, and blind Nationalism in the name of the imbecilic belief that what ever we do is right.....
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Expressing my disapproval is not taking action. It's the same freedom of expression you claim that you support.
 
Deuce said:
Do you have to be insulting in every post?

You said it's a crime to take away someone's livelihood, implying it's always a crime to fire someone. Do you stand by that statement?
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Do not attempt to twist my words, I said under certain circumstances, it is. Yes I stand by my statement. Two illegal reasons to fire someone are discrimination and retaliation.......
 
jdog said:
If you are offended by the exercising of freedom, then logically, you are offended by freedom. If you are offended by freedom how do you reconcile that with being an American? An American is not someone who lives in America, it is someone who agrees with, and stands for the principals this country was founded on.

Taking action against someone for expressing their freedom is an act of repression of freedom and not compatible with American principals. You see that is the whole problem, the National Anthem is a meaningless hollow gesture. We do not support freedom in this country any more, we support mass murder for profit, suppression of rights, and blind Nationalism in the name of the imbecilic belief that what ever we do is right.....
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Interesting. I disagree with your last paragraph. So I am not part of the "we" in which you state.

Yes, it is within your right to post your belief regarding freedom in the US. I am also within my rights to say I disagree with you and feel sorry for you in believing the US is such a violent, profit greedy country.

What changes would you like to see be made to have citizens "support freedom" within the USA?
 
jdog said:
Do not attempt to twist my words, I said under certain circumstances, it is. Yes I stand by my statement. Two illegal reasons to fire someone are discrimination and retaliation.......
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Nobody calling for his termination actually has the capacity to fire him. Therefore they aren't harming him.

But you said taking someone's livelihood is a crime. How come it's only a crime sometimes? Surely I can fire an employee for jacking off while on the clock. That takes their livelihood. Harms them, right?

And you said harming someone is a crime.

Please clarify the distinction.
 
mike2810 said:
Interesting. I disagree with your last paragraph. So I am not part of the "we" in which you state.

Yes, it is within your right to post your belief regarding freedom in the US. I am also within my rights to say I disagree with you and feel sorry for you in believing the US is such a violent, profit greedy country.

What changes would you like to see be made to have citizens "support freedom" within the USA?
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Do not feel sorry for me, I am simply better informed than most people. The changes that would make this country a better place would start with the citizens fulfilling their responsibilities as citizens. You see the average American is a lazy, ignorant, farm animal that is completely ignorant of the laws, history, and the principals and meaning of the Constitution.

The people are supposed to be the gatekeeper of freedom by keeping the government accountable for its actions. Instead, we have a nation of freeloaders who want the government to be their surrogate parent. Everyone is looking for a government handout of some kind, either direct or indirect. Everybody wants to trample the rights of others to get what they personally want.

When someone does stand up and call BS on the system, the farm animals all stand up and demand they be sacrificed.
 
Deuce said:
Nobody calling for his termination actually has the capacity to fire him. Therefore they aren't harming him.

But you said taking someone's livelihood is a crime. How come it's only a crime sometimes? Surely I can fire an employee for jacking off while on the clock. That takes their livelihood. Harms them, right?

And you said harming someone is a crime.

Please clarify the distinction.
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Go study the law, and come back when you can discuss issues with some intellect.....
 
jdog said:
Go study the law, and come back when you can discuss issues with some intellect.....
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These are your suggestions, not mine. How come it's only harming someone sometimes?
 
TheGoverness said:
What are you talking about? People totally have a right to be offended. I wasn't, but other people were.

Kaepernick has the right to be a idiot and refuse to stand up during the National Anthem (not the Pledge of Allegiance), and people have the right to be offended and critcize him for doing so.
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I was going to respond... But then read your post.

Spot on.
 
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