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The 14 characteristics of emerging fascism

Limiting free speech is an aspect of both ends of the spectrum, the right usually bases it on 'national security' or 'war on crime'.

Funny thing about Obama..........


CNN's Tapper: Obama has used Espionage Act more than all previous administrations

Sounds like "National Security" stuff?

"Tapper said more than all previous administrations combined, the Obama administration has used the Espionage Act to go after whistleblowers who leak to journalists. The number of cases involving that law support Tapper’s statement. The Justice Department does not challenge the basic figures and the experts we contacted affirmed the general accuracy of the claim."
 
Actually I can, though who but fascists would need or lust after one?

Sounds like a person who knows nothing about firearms or
the right to be able to protect yourself and family
A right that is the norm in the United States.

A person that would call all gun owners "fascists". Really?
300 million gun owners would disagree with your stupid assessment!
 
I would think it's very doubtful that a scientist wrote this list.
It reads like a list from group of progressive college kids on their
way to getting stoned! :)

PS Take a look at what is going on college campus across the country.
Talk about wanting to control speech.
 
And there is part of the problem. Ideally there should be no "your" or "my" definition. There should be THE definition.

Liberals love to play the definition game. Look what they have done to the constitution.
 
the liberal left wants a democracy ,where the rights of the few are trampled by the rights of the many,unless it does not suit them .
then they want to wrap themselves in the CONSTITUTION,you liberals want it both ways,no pun intended.

run don run
 
/sigh

You're better than this.

I was thinking of the 2nd Amendment so I guess instead of liberals I should have said gun control advocates.

Although most of the people that want to circumvent the 2nd are Nanny State liberals.
 
Yeah, that's a good point, but then, the right here in the US is nowhere near close that sort of thing, from what I see and experience.
Yeah, so now you're going to call me wrong on that, and all I'd admit is that maybe it's somewhere else than where I am.

I was a resident of the United States under Johnson AND Nixon, don't even try to tell me there is more suppression of free speech from the left. It was Bush who enacted the Patriot Act.
 
Most of your post was the usual crying about the established parties.

There is a reason there are two major parties at this point.

PEOPLE voted for them.

In cases where a third party arose and had a message that resonates with the people the people voted for the third party.

But in most cases the message third party candidates present is not one shared by the people.

If you offer an Edsel, you lose.

The real world works that way.



Actually a fully restored Edsel will sell today for several million $, but then it was a supremely bad analogy.

Tell me, in the end, on election day, what is the difference between the 'two' parties?

In terms of addressing America's ills, which party, say, has addressed illegal immigration in the last 50 years?

Which party has reduced spending? Which party has rationalized the welfare system?

You have ONE political party with two sides, both puppets of big $
 
I was a resident of the United States under Johnson AND Nixon, don't even try to tell me there is more suppression of free speech from the left. It was Bush who enacted the Patriot Act.

The Patriot Act seems more an animal of congress, rater than an animal of the executive branch, well other than 2 president signing it, or extensions to it, into law.

Patriot Act
 
Actually a fully restored Edsel will sell today for several million $, but then it was a supremely bad analogy.

Tell me, in the end, on election day, what is the difference between the 'two' parties?

In terms of addressing America's ills, which party, say, has addressed illegal immigration in the last 50 years?

Which party has reduced spending? Which party has rationalized the welfare system?

You have ONE political party with two sides, both puppets of big $

A fully restored Edsel is rare because it was an abject failure when it was rolled out back in the day.

(My favorite motorcycle suffered the same fate. XV920RH )

Which party has addressed the illegal immigration issue? Both have to some extent. And only under pressure from the people after some event has raised an outcry. (Any calls to actually secure the border are shouted down with cries of "racist")

Yes, there is money.

Occasionally there are actual principles.

I agree with you the former outweigh the latter.
 
The Patriot Act seems more an animal of congress, rater than an animal of the executive branch, well other than 2 president signing it, or extensions to it, into law.

Patriot Act

Yep, every party voted for it, it passed like greased **** through a goose. In that atmosphere of fear, almost no one raised an objection, which kind of underscores my point. Harper's Conservatives, however, had a huge issue trying to get similar legislation passed, faced demonstrations and an almost universal push back by the news media. They also got fired, with patriot act like fear monger the primary reason.

Meanwhile, Obama established it as permanent, well 99 years I believe, and without so much as a whimper from even the likes of Bernie Sanders.
 
Yep, every party voted for it, it passed like greased **** through a goose. In that atmosphere of fear, almost no one raised an objection, which kind of underscores my point. Harper's Conservatives, however, had a huge issue trying to get similar legislation passed, faced demonstrations and an almost universal push back by the news media. They also got fired, with patriot act like fear monger the primary reason.

Meanwhile, Obama established it as permanent, well 99 years I believe, and without so much as a whimper from even the likes of Bernie Sanders.

All the more reason both major parties need a serious and thorough shake up. Neither of them are really doing what's in the nation's best interests nor the best interests of the electorate, so such a serious and thorough shake up is well justified, and they are both getting it. Since each party is different, they are just getting their serious and thorough shake up differently.
 
All the more reason both major parties need a serious and thorough shake up. Neither of them are really doing what's in the nation's best interests nor the best interests of the electorate, so such a serious and thorough shake up is well justified, and they are both getting it. Since each party is different, they are just getting their serious and thorough shake up differently.

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

True that, and it's long overdue! :thumbs: I suggest they finally pay attention!
 
Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

True that, and it's long overdue! :thumbs: I suggest they finally pay attention!

Not so sure that a single brush with death, as it were, is sufficient to change the culture of a large and far reaching organization.
It's like the waters flowing back into the displacement that a stone makes when dropping into the water.
Need to drain the entire swamp to really make a difference.
 
All the more reason both major parties need a serious and thorough shake up. Neither of them are really doing what's in the nation's best interests nor the best interests of the electorate, so such a serious and thorough shake up is well justified, and they are both getting it. Since each party is different, they are just getting their serious and thorough shake up differently.


I am unable to "thank", but that gets one.

I don't know when the corruption began, but both parties govern and will govern based on their or the parties' interest. Congress is the fox in charge of the hen house...and they aren't about to change laws that keep making them independently wealthy.
 
Yep, every party voted for it, it passed like greased **** through a goose. In that atmosphere of fear, almost no one raised an objection, which kind of underscores my point. Harper's Conservatives, however, had a huge issue trying to get similar legislation passed, faced demonstrations and an almost universal push back by the news media. They also got fired, with patriot act like fear monger the primary reason.

Meanwhile, Obama established it as permanent, well 99 years I believe, and without so much as a whimper from even the likes of Bernie Sanders.

In one word Unconstitutional
 
yep, and communism, socialism is just the same!

why the hang up on words? In the mean time a world wide police state is emerging!

Words have agreed upon meanings. If we humans do not use words in accordance with those meanings, rational public dialogue is impossible.
 
Words have agreed upon meanings. If we humans do not use words in accordance with those meanings, rational public dialogue is impossible.

yeah, I understand, however we can also get lost in the details, that's what I meant.
 
An eminent scholar once devised a list of the things that make a country most vulnerable to a fascist takeover. Let's run through them and see how the US measure up...

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - this has been the case for a long time. We are the most jingoistic country on Earth. We get mad when Obama doesn't wear an American flag pen. The US gets a 10 out of 10 for this one.

2. Disdain for the Importance of Human rights - Our barbaric treatment of LGBT people speaks for itself, as well as our support for bad dictators in the middle East. The US gets an 8 out of 10 for this one

Of course, I'm sure the guy that devised this list is just some point-headed commie lib'ral who hates 'Murica.

Posts #43 and #44 await...
 
"Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism”

(From above ref)

And with this, we have two main problems regarding this as a Warning Sign of Fascism:

1. The qualities listed as being a sign of powerful nationalism, such as the prominent display of flags, patriotic slogans, pride in the military, demands for national unity, etc, are incredibly common to any country with a strong national identity. Indeed, you will find these qualities not only in Fascist regimes, but also in modern America, Mexico, much of Europe, many South American and African nations, Russia, China, Japan and numerous other first and third world countries. You will also find them in virtually all of the nations which stood opposed to Fascism in WWII. As such, this Warning Sign as written by Britt himself is completely useless in determining Fascism, as these “powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism” are generally more common than they are not in any nation with a flag.

2. Britt seems to have ignored (or missed) the fact that while Fascism is ultra-nationalism, it is specifically a form of palingenetic ultra-nationalism. For those not familiar with the term, “Palingenetic Ultra-Nationalism” means that one of the key elements of Fascism is the idea of a national rebirth, that nothing short of a national revolution and a re-discovery of their identity is needed to revitalize the people of the nation who have become disillusioned with traditional politics in order to secure a brighter future under Fascism, by which the nation and its people will rise like a phoenix from the ashes of a degenerate State and the social, economic and politic ills plaguing them. It is this notion of a national rebirth that sets Fascism apart from other nationalist ideologies, as well as the Para-Fascist examples cited by Britt in his original article. Without this element of palingenesis, there simply can be no Fascism regardless of how superficially similar the movements seem.



Haven't traveled much have you.

NO nation goes as ****ing nuts as the US about the flag, the anthem [some people wanted Jimi Hendrex shot for his national anthem at woodstock] et all, few and all the rest of the "gung ho" crap out of the US.

I might put some stock in your post, but its all opinion, not one fact, not one citation and omits most of the military/gun culture that goes along with super nationalism.

I HAVE traveled much of the world, and sorry to say, but that's how you present internationally, ready to fight at all times. Even your national anthem is about war and bombs bursting in air.

You are, in effect, a police state.
 
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