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National Anthems

chromium said:
Capital burned to the ground nyyyyyah
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then that night the army that burned it got its ass kicked by a horrific storm that blew up almost miraculously, and killed more British troops than the battle beforehand.

then they withdrew all beat up and haggard.

then we rebuilt our capitol...mostly by memory from one black man that lived there and knew every alleyway, building and byway.

We lost the Battle of Washington, but not the war.

Burning the other guy's capitol might be an indicator for some, but not me.

When the other guy still has several armies in the field ready and willing to fight you, then you still have not won.

Our currency is still US Dollars, and we are still the United States of America.

If the British won, neither of those things would exist. Think about it. They wanted us back as a colony, and they failed.
 
Billy Connolly had a marvellous suggestion regarding the British national anthem back in the 1980's. (which explains the eyewatering shirt!) ("The Archers" is a long-running radio soap institution, still going today!)

 
Renae said:
...is this a for real post? Do you know WHY that's in there? There is story behind it. Maybe if you read history, understood why things are the way they are you might have a different opinion.
The Story Behind the Star Spangled Banner | History | Smithsonian
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Yes of course I do and of course I know the history. That i sone small pice of that history and I just happen to have the opinion it could be historical and beautiful and represent all of history. also I happen to desire an anthem that others can sing and not hear it butchered.

yes most countries have histories that could talk about bombs etc yet just because I would prefer a different anthem does not indicate I do not know the history, am not patriotic etc.

Quit assuming and pay attention.
 
Green Hornet said:
I think you miss the point of the Anthem, the point is that with all the "bombs bursting in air", the flag waves on. This shows the National resilience of the American people in times of adversity.
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Not to mention that the bombs bursting in air that was referred to by the song writer who wrote the anthem were primarily british bombs.
 
fmw said:
Hopefully you will grow out of your attachment to political correctness in time.
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It is not about political correctness. Calling others perspectives that disagrees with yours is tired, old and shows lack of insight. Or possibly projection where you use political correctness? yes it would be politically correct to follow along and not convey my perspective yet I can be patriotic and understand history and not care for our anthem.

geeez
 
I think the US has the best national anthem out there, and I don't think that's bias talking. Musically and lyrically, it's the most powerful of the one's I've heard. I mean, you'll never get a performance like the one below of someone singing "God Save the Queen," for example.

 
Dion said:
Yes of course I do and of course I know the history. That i sone small pice of that history and I just happen to have the opinion it could be historical and beautiful and represent all of history. also I happen to desire an anthem that others can sing and not hear it butchered.

yes most countries have histories that could talk about bombs etc yet just because I would prefer a different anthem does not indicate I do not know the history, am not patriotic etc.

Quit assuming and pay attention.
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Perhaps if your OP didn't start with the absurdity of "Celebrating bombs" as a central theme you'd be taken more seriously.
 
Dion said:
So watching the Olympics i noted so many different anthems --- I noted ours was the only one celebrating bombs bursting in the air.

I do not really like our anthem.
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are you not getting it on purpose or do you honestly not get the song?
 
chromium said:
i think a starting point would be that everyone knows the words and meanings which...The US has one of the worst anthems in this regard. It's woefully outdated, was "inspired" during a war America lost, and there are unquestionably better pieces such as "God Bless America" that could take its place easily

In fact, only the Latin America anthems sound flatly crappier to me, probably because aside from Argentina, they all attempt to be a novella
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The US didn't lose the War of 1812 dude. We went toe to toe with the country which at the time was the great power in the world and we fought them to a draw.
 
Our Welsh national anthem is not too bloodthirsty

This land of my fathers is dear to me
Land of poets and singers, and people of stature
Her brave warriors, fine patriots
Shed their blood for freedom

Chorus:
Land! Land! I am true to my land!
As long as the sea serves as a wall for this pure, dear land
May the language endure for ever.

Old land of the mountains, paradise of the poets,
Every valley, every cliff a beauty guards;
Through love of my country, enchanting voices will be
Her streams and rivers to me.

Chorus

Though the enemy have trampled my country underfoot,
The old language of the Welsh knows no retreat,
The spirit is not hindered by the treacherous hand
Nor silenced the sweet harp of my land.

Chorus
 
Tigerace117 said:
We burnt the Canadian "capital" to the ground as well, so.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_York
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Lower Canada (modern Quebec) was actually the more important colony at the time, Montreal was the administrative and business centre at the time. The Americans were defeated south of the river by French volunteers. America also did lose the War of 1812, the goal of the Americans was to take Canada, which they failed, all the British wanted to do was defend Canada. Do you know what was going on the same time? The Napoleonic Wars and Britain was kind of busy with that.
 
katzgar said:
are you not getting it on purpose or do you honestly not get the song?
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I get it.

I just happen to prefer something different.
 
Carjosse said:
Lower Canada (modern Quebec) was actually the more important colony at the time, Montreal was the administrative and business centre at the time. The Americans were defeated south of the river by French volunteers. America also did lose the War of 1812, the goal of the Americans was to take Canada, which they failed, all the British wanted to do was defend Canada. Do you know what was going on the same time? The Napoleonic Wars and Britain was kind of busy with that.
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more canadian faked reality.
 
katzgar said:
surviving attack by a vicious world power is anathema to you. americans would see it as heroic
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Try to pay attention --- of course that is heroic.

My thread was about th national anthem and my preference it give a broader and more united perspective of this great country and not just one issue.
 
katzgar said:
surviving attack by a vicious world power is anathema to you. americans would see it as heroic
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Some of you today see being a vicious world power as something heroic. Full circle.
 
Carjosse said:
Lower Canada (modern Quebec) was actually the more important colony at the time, Montreal was the administrative and business centre at the time. The Americans were defeated south of the river by French volunteers. America also did lose the War of 1812, the goal of the Americans was to take Canada, which they failed, all the British wanted to do was defend Canada. Do you know what was going on the same time? The Napoleonic Wars and Britain was kind of busy with that.
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https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/twelve-days-of-1812-day-two/

It was a little bit more complicated then simply "the US wanted Canada"

To take on the world's premier power and fight them to a draw when we were essentially a bunch of amateurs at the time is no small feat.
 
Tigerace117 said:
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/twelve-days-of-1812-day-two/

It was a little bit more complicated then simply "the US wanted Canada"

To take on the world's premier power and fight them to a draw when we were essentially a bunch of amateurs at the time is no small feat.
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That more supports my theory it was mostly to take Canada and just to go to war with the British. I will again remind you that massive bulk of British forces were in Europe to deal with Napoleon. The US invasion was defeated by militias and a handful of professional soldiers. The US failed pretty much every goal.
 
Carjosse said:
That more supports my theory it was mostly to take Canada and just to go to war with the British. I will again remind you that massive bulk of British forces were in Europe to deal with Napoleon. The US invasion was defeated by militias and a handful of professional soldiers. The US failed pretty much every goal.
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Oh really?

The Battle of New Orleans begs to differ. Those were some of the regulars, meaning pros, commanded by the Duke of Wellington's brother in law and they got annihalated.

And as for losing to militia.....

Y'all lost to a bunch of Fenians straight off the boat in 1866, so you don't really have much room to talk.
 
Dion said:
Try to pay attention --- of course that is heroic.

My thread was about th national anthem and my preference it give a broader and more united perspective of this great country and not just one issue.
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Do you have an alternative in mind? When you say "broader and more united perspective" what exactly do you mean?

Some people have lobbied for "America the Beautiful" as a replacement anthem. Would that do?

Unofficial National Anthem: America the Beautiful - ABC News
 
Run to your safe space.


Dion said:
So watching the Olympics i noted so many different anthems --- I noted ours was the only one celebrating bombs bursting in the air.

I do not really like our anthem.
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Dion said:
It is not about political correctness. Calling others perspectives that disagrees with yours is tired, old and shows lack of insight. Or possibly projection where you use political correctness? yes it would be politically correct to follow along and not convey my perspective yet I can be patriotic and understand history and not care for our anthem.

geeez
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Hopefully you will grow out of your attachment to political correctness in time.
 
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