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Why does Obama get a pass?

Obama hasn't had a pass on almost anything he has done. I'm going to pretend like your real question is, why does Obama get a pass from most democrats when it comes to African American poverty rates and other negative attributes that disproportionately affect the black community under his administration? The answer, in my opinion, is a combination of focus on recovery from the recession, involvement in the middle east, partisanship, and his race.

As far as the Trump-LA thing is concerned if the governor doesn't want you to interfere with disaster recovery you probably shouldn't go. I get that people are pissed about Katrina, but I don't remember them telling W to back off and wait until they get some work done before making a big appearance.
 
katzgar said:
your post is just more right wing hysteria, nothing more
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Actually, it was a question. Which you either cannot, or will not answer. I wonder why that is? Hmmmm
 
_Sal said:
yeah that one :mrgreen:
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Soooo, Bush "drove the economy over a cliff" in two terms, but Obama has had two terms of lackluster economic activity and, still Bush's fault. Do I have that right?
 
"Why does Obama get a pass?"

Because he has a lot of political power.
 
Why does Obama get a pass?


For the same reasons that he has always gotten a pass from the mainstream (bought and paid-for) media, and his Party's bought-and-paid-for fellow politicians.

They made a commitment to go all-in on this utterly-useless, talentless junior Senator, and they made a commitment to polish that turd until it shone like a new penny.

Sure, it became apparent from early on that the guy was all fluff and smoke and mirrors, and not a man of substance or character.
Yes, it became apparent from early on that he was a compulsive (and even pathological) liar.

But they, and their financier George Soros, and their Iranian puppet-mistress Valerie Jarrett had an agenda.
And so once all in, forever all-in.

In essence, there is no way you are ever going to hear a negative story about this self-absorbed, dishonest reprobate.
You can full-well expect that history will be re-written on the fly, to make Barack Obama appear to have been a great President (he is not),
an honest man of integrity (he most certainly is not),
and a selfless statesman and leader (not even close).

All the truth, all the time.
And if you disagree with me, that is your right.

You always have the right to be intellectually-dishonest, after all.
:2wave:
 
countryboy said:
Soooo, Bush "drove the economy over a cliff" in two terms, but Obama has had two terms of lackluster economic activity and, still Bush's fault. Do I have that right?
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no actually you don't, I never even mentioned Obama but since you brought him up, his hands have been shackled so yeah, not as great as it could have been but much better than it was

I don't have a pony in the race so :shrug:
 
_Sal said:
no actually you don't, I never even mentioned Obama but since you brought him up, his hands have been shackled so yeah, not as great as it could have been but much better than it was

I don't have a pony in the race so :shrug:
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Lol. Thanks for confirming that.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Well, if this thread isn't a perfect example of partisan hackery and "when the shoe is on the other foot both sides switch sides" then I don't know what is.

Anyone remember Katrina? How soooo many Democrats lamb-blasted Bush for "not responding appropriately" and the Republicans defended Bush?

Now the shoe is on the other foot and its the complete opposite. Republican's are lamb-blasting Obama for "not responding appropriately" while Democrats are defending Obama.


This would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and predictable.
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:roll: That each situation was treated differently by some is not partisan by default. The two scenarios are not completely analogous, nor should be the analysis.
 
katzgar said:
your comments are divorced from reality. reality is ok once you get back to it.
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Though I believe that the circumstances are quite different than they were in the 1960s, I tend to think the present is much less than okay. And considering the amount of money we have poured into correcting the problems he mentions it is worse.
 
Bucky said:
Black Businesses Miss Out on Loan Rebound - WSJ

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Black and hispanic business owners are getting less help under Obama than Bush.
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my guess is that you do not realize that the government guaranty is attached to small business loans only if those loans are submitted by the lender to SBA requesting that agency attach its loan guaranty

that fewer bank loans are being submitted for federal guaranty on behalf of black business owners is beyond the government's/Obama's control

so, please share with us why this decline is SBA guarantees for black entrepreneurs is Obama's fault
 
justabubba said:
my guess is that you do not realize that the government guaranty is attached to small business loans only if those loans are submitted by the lender to SBA requesting that agency attach its loan guaranty

that fewer bank loans are being submitted for federal guaranty on behalf of black business owners is beyond the government's/Obama's control

so, please share with us why this decline is SBA guarantees for black entrepreneurs is Obama's fault
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Obama has failed to help black business owners with their businesses yet when it comes to subprime mortgages Obama is leading the way to another crisis.
 
Bucky said:
Obama has failed to help black business owners with their businesses yet when it comes to subprime mortgages Obama is leading the way to another crisis.
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how can the federal government guaranty those small business loans to black entrepreneurs if the banks do not submit their loan requests to SBA to attach a loan guaranty? saint ronnie reagan ended SBA's practice of writing loans directly for the benefit of small business owners; now the business owners are dependent upon banks to make the loan submissions to SBA
 
justabubba said:
how can the federal government guaranty those small business loans to black entrepreneurs if the banks do not submit their loan requests to SBA to attach a loan guaranty? saint ronnie reagan ended SBA's practice of writing loans directly for the benefit of small business owners; now the business owners are dependent upon banks to make the loan submissions to SBA
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Blacks are worse off under Obama. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Examine the census bureau.
 
Bucky said:
Blacks are worse off under Obama. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Examine the census bureau.
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census bureau is quite large

why don't you instead point us to the census bureau information you want us to see

which information will prove to us that blacks are worse off since the Obama administration came into office
 
Bucky said:
Black Businesses Miss Out on Loan Rebound - WSJ

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Black and hispanic business owners are getting less help under Obama than Bush.
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And if you'll look at the timing of the big drop in SBA loans, when did that happen? Between 2008 and 2009. There was this thing going on then - it was called the "Great Recession" - you may have heard of it.

What's more, if you've tried to buy a house or get a business loan between then and now - and if you've already done so before the GR - you'll probably have noticed that the regulations on loans are MUCH stricter than they used to be. In other words, the slow recovery of blacks and Hispanics when it comes to getting SBA loans likely have a lot more to do with the fact that loans simply aren't that easy to get, especially for those whose credit ratings and/or assets aren't that great to begin with.

But I get it - you've just GOT to find stuff to blame Obama for.
 
justabubba said:
census bureau is quite large

why don't you instead point us to the census bureau information you want us to see

which information will prove to us that blacks are worse off since the Obama administration came into office
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Unemployment rate, numbers on food stamps, numbers in school, all have dropped since Obama became president in 2008.

58% of African American are unemployed. Those that are employed are seeing depressed wages. 4/10 African Americans are in poverty. More African Americans are in failing schools compared to white children.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And if you'll look at the timing of the big drop in SBA loans, when did that happen? Between 2008 and 2009. There was this thing going on then - it was called the "Great Recession" - you may have heard of it.

What's more, if you've tried to buy a house or get a business loan between then and now - and if you've already done so before the GR - you'll probably have noticed that the regulations on loans are MUCH stricter than they used to be. In other words, the slow recovery of blacks and Hispanics when it comes to getting SBA loans likely have a lot more to do with the fact that loans simply aren't that easy to get, especially for those whose credit ratings and/or assets aren't that great to begin with.

But I get it - you've just GOT to find stuff to blame Obama for.
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That's a completely and blatantly false statement. Sub prime mortgages have been revived by Obama. He is doing everything in his power to get unqualified homeowners the ability to buy homes.
 
Bucky said:
Blacks are worse off under Obama. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Examine the census bureau.
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Most of the country is worse off, if you had not noticed, but to blame the president for everyone's condition is ludicrous at best.
 
Bucky said:
Unemployment rate, numbers on food stamps, numbers in school, all have dropped since Obama became president in 2008.

58% of African American are unemployed. Those that are employed are seeing depressed wages. 4/10 African Americans are in poverty. More African Americans are in failing schools compared to white children.
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i see one problem

Obama was not sworn in until 2009

soon after the economic meltdown at the end of the dicknbush regime

but please do go to the census bureau and share cites with us so that we can see how Obama has made the plight of blacks worse since he was sworn into office
 
Casper said:
Most of the country is worse off, if you had not noticed, but to blame the president for everyone's condition is ludicrous at best.
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As a black president Obama has an obligation to lift African Americans. If it wasn't for African Americans, John McCain would be president.
 
Bucky said:
That's a completely and blatantly false statement. Sub prime mortgages have been revived by Obama. He is doing everything in his power to get unqualified homeowners the ability to buy homes.
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Dude. Obama didn't "revive" subprimes - the lending industry found a way around the regulations. It's not much different from drug pushers developing a new type of drug that - since it's not yet on the 'banned' list - is every bit as intoxicating as cocaine, but is legal because it's effectively used a loophole to get around the existing regulations.

For a better explanation:

The business of bundling riskier U.S. mortgages into bonds without government backing is gearing up for a comeback. Just don’t call it subprime.

Hedge fund Seer Capital Management, money manager Angel Oak Capital and Sydney-based bank Macquarie Group Ltd. are among firms buying up loans to borrowers who can’t qualify for conventional mortgages because of issues such as low credit scores, foreclosures or hard-to-document income. They each plan to pool the mortgages into securities of varying risk and sell some to investors this year. JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts predict as much as $5 billion of deals could get done, while Nomura Holdings Inc. forecasts $1 billion to $2 billion.

Investment firms are looking to revive the market without repeating the mistakes that fueled the U.S. housing crisis last decade, which blew up the global economy. This time, they will retain the riskiest stakes in the deals, unlike how Wall Street banks and other issuers shifted most of the dangers before the crisis. Seer Capital and Angel Oak prefer the term “nonprime” for lending that flirts with practices that used to be employed for debt known as subprime or Alt-A.

But I get it - you've just GOT to find stuff to blame Obama for.
 
Bucky said:
That's a completely and blatantly false statement. Sub prime mortgages have been revived by Obama. He is doing everything in his power to get unqualified homeowners the ability to buy homes.
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Please explain to us, in your own words, exactly how this claim is true.
 
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