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The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins

WCH

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For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay. Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
 
WCH said:
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)
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May I say that I truly enjoy Trumpkins complaining about people calling others names, or being rude or crude to the guy who alternately, during this campaign, suggested that one opponent was too ugly to be President, that another candidates' wife was ugly, came up with rude and degrading nicknames for his opponents, compared one opponent to child molesters, claimed another opponents father was part of the JFK assassination, etc. so on and so forth ad nauseum. It really does highlight how they are so often every bit as thin skinned as the social justice warriors they claim to loathe.

5 points for Slytherin, however, for using "deracinated"

Okay. Therefore… what?
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Therefore there are two big-government progressives running at the head of the major parties this fall - one of whom is more corrupt, and one of whom is more crazy - and conservatives should vote for neither.

#NeverHillary #AndNeverHerDonors
 
cpwill said:
Therefore there are two big-government progressives running at the head of the major parties this fall - one of whom is more corrupt, and one of whom is more crazy - and conservatives should vote for neither.

#NeverHillary #AndNeverHerDonors
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I'll take crazy over corrupt any day. Its not just that Hillary is a liberal globalist. Her agenda will be to erode our boarders, sovereignty and the constitution. However crazy Trump may be these are NOT his agendas.
 
WCH said:
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay. Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
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Yawn. And despite all that, she's still a more reasonable choice than the lunatic Trump.
 
blaxshep said:
I'll take crazy over corrupt any day.
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As a conservative, I appreciate the fragility of what we build, and know better than to make that choice.

Its not just that Hillary is a liberal globalist. Her agenda will be to erode our boarders, sovereignty and the constitution. However crazy Trump may be these are NOT his agendas.
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:lol: this is a man who wants to limit the 1st, the 2nd, the 4th, the 5th, and the 6th Amendment, who has no respect whatsoever for the notion that he as President should be limited in his power, and you think he doesn't want to further erode the Constitution? :lol:

Donald Trump: We need to leave borders behind and go for Global Unity

CNN featured Trump’s eloquent tribute to the benefits of globalism and abandoning national borders as part of its “complete coverage” of the 2014 World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland. The World Economic Forum in Davos — a fancypants ski town in the Alps — is an annual conclave of a few thousand businessmen, politicians, self-proclaimed intellectuals and journalists. The theme of the 2014 Davos meeting was “The Reshaping of the World: Consequences for Society, Politics and Business.”



He's a big government progressive. Always has been. Always will be.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. And despite all that, she's still a more reasonable choice than the lunatic Trump.
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Only if you hate American sovereignty and the constitution, and dont care about corruption and lies.
 
WCH said:
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay. Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
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The fly in your ointment is that the Never Trump are smart enough to know that The Donald is not a conservative and as such they cannot support the Fraud sell a Bill of Goods to their fellow Republicans. I, for one, applaud the real Conservatives for standing by their principles and not supporting someone that does not stand for their values and ideals. Amazing that Repubs that were all in the face of their fellow Repubs that did not support Trump in the primaries now say that one s not a good Conservative if they do not now jump on their bandwagon, I would find that insulting at best. Some of you wanted Trump, so now you have him, you should have been smart enough to know you were not going to get support from many fellow Repubs, but then again you are Trump fan club members and as such have an excuse........
 
WCH said:
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay. Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
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You're right. The only argument for voting for Donald Trump is that he isn't Sen. Clinton. No one could in their greatest flights of fantasy say he's honest. Not even a Trumpkin could say he's financially responsible and pays his debts. And no one can call him any kind of conservative. He's a fiscal "tax and spend" liberal and he's a social liberal. That's why he's been a Democrat from almost all of his adult life except when it benefited Mr. Trump to be something else for a while. It's a lot like him using aliases when dealing with people.

No, bottom line, "I'm not Hillary Clinton, who's a really good friend of mine," is all he's got. And, notice how he turns on a friend who had said would be a great president? Someone he's help fund in the past? Amazing, isn't it?

If you want moral cowardice you'll need to look somewhere else. Not to Trump, of course. He is a bully and a coward but moral, never.
 
blaxshep said:
Only if you hate American sovereignty and the constitution, and dont care about corruption and lies.
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:shrug: If you care about any of those things, then Trump is also an unconscionable choice.




I will say that I am kind of enjoying the furious whining about those who didn't sell out. It's interesting to see folks insist that Trump still has a chance and/or is winning on the one hand then shift to trying to blame a relatively small portion of folks who couldn't even steer a primary for a general loss that won't occur for months on the other :) If every single NeverTrump conservative decided to toss their beliefs overboard and jump on tomorrow, it wouldn't really change the nature of the race. Trump isn't losing because of National Review. He's losing because he's Trump.
 
cpwill said:
As a conservative, I appreciate the fragility of what we build, and know better than to make that choice.

:lol: this is a man who wants to limit the 1st, the 2nd, the 4th, the 5th, and the 6th Amendment, who has no respect whatsoever for the notion that he as President should be limited in his power, and you think he doesn't want to further erode the Constitution? :lol:

Donald Trump: We need to leave borders behind and go for Global Unity

CNN featured Trump’s eloquent tribute to the benefits of globalism and abandoning national borders as part of its “complete coverage” of the 2014 World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland. The World Economic Forum in Davos — a fancypants ski town in the Alps — is an annual conclave of a few thousand businessmen, politicians, self-proclaimed intellectuals and journalists. The theme of the 2014 Davos meeting was “The Reshaping of the World: Consequences for Society, Politics and Business.”

He's a big government progressive. Always has been. Always will be.
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A big government progressive adored by white supremacists, white nationalists and the alt-right (a lot of overlap there).

And to conclude he's a "progressive" you have to pretend that a now year+ long campaign didn't happen, that everything he's said as a candidate he will repudiate some time between election day and inauguration, and that the 'real' Donald Trump is someone roughly on the same ideological plane as Nancy Pelosi. That's nonsense, or anyone who would make a decision based on that notion is a fool.
 
JasperL said:
A big government progressive adored by white supremacists, white nationalists and the alt-right (a lot of overlap there).

And to conclude he's a "progressive" you have to pretend that a now year+ long campaign didn't happen, that everything he's said as a candidate he will repudiate some time between election day and inauguration, and that the 'real' Donald Trump is someone roughly on the same ideological plane as Nancy Pelosi. That's nonsense, or anyone who would make a decision based on that notion is a fool.
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You're right. He hasn't meant a thing he said. Not about Trump University, not about the wonderful opportunity of investing in his planned bankrputcies, not in his peddling of junk bonds, and nothing he has said during his campaign with one slight exception. When asked about the people who lost over a billion dollars in his bankruptcies he said, "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City and I've very proud of that." I suspect that's true statement. He has absolutely nothing else to be proud of.

So, when you say we believe he will repudiate everything he's said you made only one error. He doesn't wait for election. He repudiates as he goes along and won't stop when he gets elected. He also won't stop lying. He can't. It's his only talent.
 
WCH said:
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay. Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
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But but but... HILLARY!!!
 
Patrickt said:
You're right. He hasn't meant a thing he said. Not about Trump University, not about the wonderful opportunity of investing in his planned bankrputcies, not in his peddling of junk bonds, and nothing he has said during his campaign with one slight exception. When asked about the people who lost over a billion dollars in his bankruptcies he said, "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City and I've very proud of that." I suspect that's true statement. He has absolutely nothing else to be proud of.

So, when you say we believe he will repudiate everything he's said you made only one error. He doesn't wait for election. He repudiates as he goes along and won't stop when he gets elected. He also won't stop lying. He can't. It's his only talent.
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Oh, but he does mean what he says... except when he doesn't mean what he said. Which is often.

What did he say?
 
blaxshep said:
Only if you hate American sovereignty and the constitution, and dont care about corruption and lies.
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Check, in all cases.
 
So, the NeverTrumpkins are "moral cowards" for refusing to support a man who is running as something he never was, a conservative and supporter of the Constitution.

And the "NeverHillarykins" are then morally brave for supporting a con man instead of supporting a candidate with more baggage than American Airlines, really?

Seems to me that the moral thing is to support neither of the major party candidates, but then, the third party can't win because no one will vote for them because they can't win.

Time to break that particular Catch 22 it seems to me.
 
cpwill said:
May I say that I truly enjoy Trumpkins complaining about people calling others names, or being rude or crude to the guy who alternately, during this campaign, suggested that one opponent was too ugly to be President, that another candidates' wife was ugly, came up with rude and degrading nicknames for his opponents, compared one opponent to child molesters, claimed another opponents father was part of the JFK assassination, etc. so on and so forth ad nauseum. It really does highlight how they are so often every bit as thin skinned as the social justice warriors they claim to loathe.

5 points for Slytherin, however, for using "deracinated"



Therefore there are two big-government progressives running at the head of the major parties this fall - one of whom is more corrupt, and one of whom is more crazy - and conservatives should vote for neither.

#NeverHillary #AndNeverHerDonors
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Only trouble there is if you discount one you get the other. IMO Hillary is far worse for.the country. If you truly care about America......
 
WCH said:
Only trouble there is if you discount one you get the other. IMO Hillary is far worse for.the country. If you truly care about America......
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On a scale of 0 to 10, with the country currently at a 3, Hillary would be a 2. Trump would be a 0.2.

It's all relative.

Numbers made up for example purposes, because some argumentative obtuse jerkwad will question them if not stated.
 
Casper said:
The fly in your ointment is that the Never Trump are smart enough to know that The Donald is not a conservative and as such they cannot support the Fraud sell a Bill of Goods to their fellow Republicans. I, for one, applaud the real Conservatives for standing by their principles and not supporting someone that does not stand for their values and ideals. Amazing that Repubs that were all in the face of their fellow Repubs that did not support Trump in the primaries now say that one s not a good Conservative if they do not now jump on their bandwagon, I would find that insulting at best. Some of you wanted Trump, so now you have him, you should have been smart enough to know you were not going to get support from many fellow Repubs, but then again you are Trump fan club members and as such have an excuse........
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I was a Cruz voter but, now reality has set in. It's one or the other.
 
radcen said:
On a scale of 0 to 10, with the country currently at a 3, Hillary would be a 2. Trump would be a 0.2.

It's all relative.

Numbers made up for example purposes, because some argumentative obtuse jerkwad will question them if not stated.
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President Donald Trump would be a 2, ICBMs destroying Washington DC and the entire Eastern seaboard plunging us all into the long cold death of nuclear winter would be a 0, and President Hillary Clinton would be a -15.

None of these things are desirable but she does have a way of making apocalypse sound preferable.
 
WCH said:
Only trouble there is if you discount one you get the other. IMO Hillary is far worse for.the country. If you truly care about America......
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Okedoke. In that case, vote for the big government progressive who would trash the constitution and pursue a destructive foreign policy in order to say that you didn't vote for the big government progressive who would trash the constitution and pursue a destructive foreign policy.


The idea that NeverTrump not supporting Trump is what is costing him in the polls, however, is ridiculous. NeverTrump couldn't even swing the Indiana Primary, but we're supposed to be able to swing the nation-wide General? :lol:

No - what is costing Trump the election isn't NeverTrump. It's Trump himself.
 
JasperL said:
A big government progressive adored by white supremacists, white nationalists and the alt-right (a lot of overlap there).
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Yup.

And to conclude he's a "progressive" you have to pretend that a now year+ long campaign didn't happen
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This would be the year-long campaign in which he rejected entitlement reform, called for trade restrictions, praised single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandates, called for increasing the size and scope of government, said he intended to increase tax rates on the wealthy, announced his implicit support of the transgender SJWs, sided with democrats on getting rid of due process for gun owners, suggested he was open to raising the minimum wage, indicated moral equivalency between the U.S. and Putin's Russia, threatened to abandon our allies and enable our enemies, had his daughter get onstage at the RNC to repeat tired war-on-women lies about the "gender gap", and claimed he wanted to double Hillary's proposed infrastructure spending? That year-long campaign?
 
cpwill said:
Yup.

This would be the year-long campaign in which he rejected entitlement reform, called for trade restrictions, praised single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandates, called for increasing the size and scope of government, said he intended to increase tax rates on the wealthy, announced his implicit support of the transgender SJWs, sided with democrats on getting rid of due process for gun owners, suggested he was open to raising the minimum wage, indicated moral equivalency between the U.S. and Putin's Russia, threatened to abandon our allies and enable our enemies, had his daughter get onstage at the RNC to repeat tired war-on-women lies about the "gender gap", and claimed he wanted to double Hillary's proposed infrastructure spending? That year-long campaign?
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He's got about the same actual support among self identified liberals and progressives as he does with the black vote, and that's at 1% last I checked. So whatever you consider to be a "progressive" is sure as hell 1000 miles away from what progressives believe.
 
WCH said:
I was a Cruz voter but, now reality has set in. It's one or the other.
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At least he is a Conservative. I am not a big fan of Cruz but if I had the choice between him or Hillary I would probably go with Cruz. With it being Trump in as the GOP candidate I will either vote Johnson or simply skip over the Presidential choice all together as a means of voicing my dissatisfaction with Both Major Party candidates.
 
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