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The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins

Welp. It's been a good run, then. Too bad we made a suicidally bad nominating decision at a critical juncture.




This is what NeverTrump was warning about back when we were cucks. :) But hey, we're a bunch of losers, because Trump Is Winning All The Polls And Look At Those Rallies. :doh

That's the spirit! :roll:
 
That's the spirit! :roll:

I'm not in it for the spirit or the tribalism. I'm in it for the conservatism. Trump voters killed that this year, and possibly for years to come. :shrug:
 
SHORTER WCH: Trump may be nuts, but Hillary is Lucifer personified.
 
I don't like Hillary. And I dislike the Republican Party in general. But Trump is the first candidate in my lifetime who I DONT believe is a rational actor. Maybe he is and just has me fooled. But I am not willing to risk having a Commander-in-Chief who is not a rational actor.

Any other election the typical Trump supporter would be skeptical and say that you need to look at a person's history, and not just go by what they say. Yet, even with just "being conservative" Trump's history doesn't match up with what he says, and they're willing to overlook that and buy into what he says hook, line, and sinker.
 
SHORTER WCH: Trump may be nuts, but Hillary is Lucifer personified.

Don't be so insulting to Morning Star - if you read your Milton you'd know he has good reasons for what he does and is even something of a tragic hero. Hillary has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
 
I'm not in it for the spirit or the tribalism. I'm in it for the conservatism. Trump voters killed that this year, and possibly for years to come. :shrug:

You have to admit that Conservatism wasn't in the forefront or much opposition to the Progressive agenda over the last several years. Not even in the GOP.

If Trump voters managed to kill it, it probably was with a whisper and not a blast from a shotgun.
 
Donald Trump's Strongest Supporters: A Certain Kind of Democrat. There's a reason both he and Sanders thought they could take supporters from each other ;).

Right, a certain kind of democrat who says he's a republican and votes republican. That's not a "progressive." The other supporters are white bigots - not progressives.

But I like how you don't try to refute a single one of those points, admitting that this person you claim isn't a progressive just ran (in a GOP race no less) and rejected entitlement reform, called for trade restrictions, praised single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandates, called for increasing the size and scope of government, said he intended to increase tax rates on the wealthy, announced his implicit support of the transgender SJWs, sided with democrats on getting rid of due process for gun owners, suggested he was open to raising the minimum wage, indicated moral equivalency between the U.S. and Putin's Russia, threatened to abandon our allies and enable our enemies, had his daughter get onstage at the RNC to repeat tired war-on-women lies about the "gender gap", and claimed he wanted to double Hillary's proposed infrastructure spending..... all of which are pretty solid progressive things.

It's because there is no point, but here goes anyway. He's proposed $12 trillion in tax cuts and you say he's a tax raiser. At best his support for single payer is wishy washy and he's said just about everything on earth on healthcare - repeal Obamacare it's a disaster, keep pre-existing conditions, open up the states to competition, supports health savings accounts, wants everyone covered, not for the mandate, private insurance! etc. He's got no f'ing idea what he's for or against. Trade restrictions - more republicans than democrats believe trade is not a net positive for the country, so how is that "progressive"? Clinton signed NAFTA, Obama is pushing TPP, but maybe Obama is a conservative! LOL...

I don't know what you mean about guns, saying he's open to raising the min wage or open to anything is not support for that thing - it's the most common dodge in politics. Being FOR an increase is being FOR an increase. Maybe is different. Since when is support for Russian a "progressive" ideal - NEVER. Since when is abandoning our allies "progressive"? NEVER. Enabling our enemies - NEVER. I don't know what "lies" his daughter said but what has he proposed to help women close the gender gap and does he ever mention women and the gender gap, does he know anything about the issue - nothing, no, and hell no are the answers.

All you're doing is saying a bunch of crap you don't like then claiming that since you don't like it, and you're a self described conservative, what you don't like must be "progressive." It's nonsense, and Trump is no "progressive" which is why he'll get single digit support in Nov. from liberals and progressives who recognize a kindred spirit and know he's FAR, FAR, FAR from where progressives sit on the important issues. It's as big a BS claim as the one that's frequent by right wingers that Hitler was some kind of liberal, cause, you know, Nazi means national SOCIALIST party! Etc. Right, Hitler and Bernie are kindred spirits, about like Trump and Bernie are.....:roll:

What's kind of funny is you right wingers just have to blame him on liberals, by claiming he IS a liberal in this particular talking point. No, if you want to know what created Trump, look in your own party's mirror, the right wing propaganda outlets, Fox News, etc. There's a reason this a$$hole didn't run as a democrat against the weakest candidate in quite a while... It's your party who nominated him and your party apparatus supporting him as we speak. The GOP owns him and he will be an anvil around the party's neck for a while. Boo hoooo. I'm crying over here....
 
Don't be so insulting to Morning Star - if you read your Milton you'd know he has good reasons for what he does and is even something of a tragic hero. Hillary has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 
You have to admit that Conservatism wasn't in the forefront or much opposition to the Progressive agenda over the last several years. Not even in the GOP.

If Trump voters managed to kill it, it probably was with a whisper and not a blast from a shotgun.
Conservatism was on the rise, actually. We'd finally won the civil war that Reagan had such trouble with. We had both houses, dominance at the state level, a solid, vibrant intellectual movement, a real reform platform..

Nah. In the 50s, maybe. But not now.

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That makes me angrier every time I see it.

Thanks Trump supporters.
There isn't going to be a kiss and make up period after this - at least not for me. They burned those bridges.

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There isn't going to be a kiss and make up period after this - at least not for me. They burned those bridges.

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I will be even angrier at them as I'm watching the down ballot returns on election night. If we lose the Senate because people supported that incompetent boob, I'll be furious.
 
I'm just pushing for votes against Hillary that actually count. If Johnson or Stein, or whoever votes will swing a state toward Trump then, go for it. Being you're in TX, it really doesn't matter unless no one gets 270.

I grasp that is your point. I do not see Trump swinging any States, except maybe a few in the wrong direction. Just a fact of life here as in most states, the State will make the call and at the moment we are a Red State.
 
Only if you hate American sovereignty and the constitution, and dont care about corruption and lies.

That sounds like the hairballs those alt-right Trumpkins cough up at websites like Brietbart and others and are glued to FOX 24-7 also known as the Trump super pac..
 
I will be even angrier at them as I'm watching the down ballot returns on election night. If we lose the Senate because people supported that incompetent boob, I'll be furious.

We need to make a list of the early Trump supporters in the forum, so we will know who to laugh at the most when President Hillary and the Democrat Senate pass Amnesty.
 
We need to make a list of the early Trump supporters in the forum, so we will know who to laugh at the most when President Hillary and the Democrat Senate pass Amnesty.

I can name a few. I'll start the list. But in addition to the early supporters, I'm afraid I'll have to add the ones who have jumped on his bandwagon with enthusiasm at the expense of the down ballot candidates, having more interest in not electing Hillary than in actually saving the 2 other branches so Hillary and her cronies don't rein over the entire country.
 
I can name a few. I'll start the list. But in addition to the early supporters, I'm afraid I'll have to add the ones who have jumped on his bandwagon with enthusiasm at the expense of the down ballot candidates, having more interest in not electing Hillary than in actually saving the 2 other branches so Hillary and her cronies don't rein over the entire country.

I think it would be fair to treat pre-conclusion-of-the-primary enthusiasts and post-conclusion reluctant boarders as qualitatively different. I understand the logic of gotta-stop-Hillary. I just don't agree with it.
 
We need to make a list of the early Trump supporters in the forum, so we will know who to laugh at the most when President Hillary and the Democrat Senate pass Amnesty.
I can name a few. I'll start the list. But in addition to the early supporters, I'm afraid I'll have to add the ones who have jumped on his bandwagon with enthusiasm at the expense of the down ballot candidates, having more interest in not electing Hillary than in actually saving the 2 other branches so Hillary and her cronies don't rein over the entire country.
I think it would be fair to treat pre-conclusion-of-the-primary enthusiasts and post-conclusion reluctant boarders as qualitatively different. I understand the logic of gotta-stop-Hillary. I just don't agree with it.
I'm in.
 
All Hillary has to do is not appear actively insane.

Napoleon----

'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.'

Trump is making mistakes daily. All Clinton has to do is as you said, not appear insane. And not interrupt Trump.
 
Conservatism was on the rise, actually. We'd finally won the civil war that Reagan had such trouble with. We had both houses, dominance at the state level, a solid, vibrant intellectual movement, a real reform platform..

More tax cuts, tax cuts on top of tax cuts, and fewer regulations for business is a novel reform platform never before considered with such depth. That and to address healthcare, repeal Obamacare and replace it with.....something to be named later! Also good stuff. :roll:
 
I'll take crazy over corrupt any day. Its not just that Hillary is a liberal globalist. Her agenda will be to erode our boarders, sovereignty and the constitution. However crazy Trump may be these are NOT his agendas.

Oh, no....I'm the opposite. Clinton's agenda is known. Political steps can defeat those goals (such as her health care program under her husbands presidency). I have no clue what Trump is going to do or say next, and there is no way to protect ourselves from his actions.
 
More tax cuts, tax cuts on top of tax cuts, and fewer regulations for business is a novel reform platform never before considered with such depth. That and to address healthcare, repeal Obamacare and replace it with.....something to be named later! Also good stuff. :roll:

Oh hey, look, how astonishing, you are ignorant about what you are trying to describe :)
 
Oh hey, look, how astonishing, you are ignorant about what you are trying to describe :)

Sort of like your characterization of Trump as a progressive?

More seriously, there are a lot of ideas out there on the right wing, and some of them are intellectually sound even if I disagree, but the problem is I really haven't seen the 'party' as a group united behind much of substance beyond MORE tax cuts, different kinds of tax cuts, fewer regulations and hating the ACA, plus more guns of course, and family values, and God. I wish I was joking but that's my honest assessment.

In my own state, we rejected the Medicaid expansion and years later still have no plan to deal with our uninsured problem, so we in Tennessee are paying the ACA tax increases to insure folks in Kentucky, whose democratic governor accepted the expansion, and in places like NY and CA. Thankfully our legislature did vote to make sure university staff can carry guns!! and to make sure that the cable near monopolies don't have to compete with cities installing high speed internet, so those are good things. They also defunded the diversity office at UT, which will make a lot of difference in the lives of the average Tennessean, and fully fund our football team!

To be fair, Tennessee did pass a bill that provides essentially free community college to any resident (a Bernie proposal), and the lottery pays for 4 year degrees for qualified students, so I will give them credit for that. We're lucky and have a moderate republican Governor (Haslam) and he's hired/appointed some really fantastic, reality based non-partisan advisors, and he's been able to get some of that agenda through our whack job legislature. If the GOP was more like that than Louie Gomert as a whole, I'd still be independent or maybe a republican, but it's not how I see it.
 
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